The manifesto against Islamic totalitarianism

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It's a striking document. Your thoughts?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Catholic Church to thread?

("liberticide"? "unegalitarian"?)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

"liberticidal"?

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

haha xpost and hi dere!

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say, a familiar name returns. ;-)

Anyway, what's a neologism among friends?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting signatories.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

i think we need universal standards for words, ned.

i will not accept > on this point.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

haha that's 'cultural relativism', natch.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised Christopher Hitchens' name isn't on it.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

as i linked on that cartoon thread,

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this is an important ideological global statement of the 21st century

A Manifesto Against Islamic Totalitarianism

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http://tinyurl.com/ja9uc

I think we'll be seeing people die in the coming days. We, writers, journalists, intellectuals, call for resistance to religious totalitarianism and for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and secular values for all. This struggle will not be won by arms, but in the ideological field.

reaction..

..After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat....

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Liberticide is not a new word and coining liberticidal follows conventional English practice, i.e. suicidal, homicidal.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

It does, however, sound like the name of an exceptionally dodgy post-grunge band circa 1994.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Exceptionally dodgy or predictably dodgy?

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard 'liberticide'.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Probably more dodgy than Dodgy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Babeuf, François Noël, called Gracchus (1760–97) is credited with the coining of the word in French by the Littré dictionary. Perhaps it hasn't been much used in English but Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary has it:

\Lib"er*ti*cide\ (l[i^]b"[~e]r*t[i^]*s[imac]d), n. [L. libertas liberty + caedere to kill: cf. (for sense 2) F. liberticide.] 1. The destruction of civil liberty.

2. A destroyer of civil liberty. --B. F. Wade.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

well you learn something new every day.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, I also forget something new every day.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully not your sense of style.

Anyway, so what's your sense of the importance of this document -- useful or not? I've already read an argument that it wouldn't necessarily have any impact because so many of the signatories (if not all) are either not Muslim or no longer Muslim.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, but they're of Islamic heritage, speaking out for secular values, so I imagine it's not entirely without value or influence.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, granted. I wonder who or what the writers perceived as the primary audience is, if any. "Democrats and free spirits of all countries" is a broad formulation.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Precisely. I think that's partly their point.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well this was a well-argued, unhysterical document that totally reflects the current global political situation.

― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't recognize all the names, but I think Irshad Manji still considers herself Muslim. of course, she's not a very popular figure with many Muslims.

I kind of agree with whoever Ned read that said it won't have that much of an impact among believing Muslims, just because so many of the signatories are people who are percieved rightly or wrongly as anti-Islam in some way (ibn Warraq). Or easily caricatured by people who are uncomfortable with them as anti-Islam (Irshad Manji).

― horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

that's "perceived." meh.

― horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Interestingly enough, I note that there's a separate manifesto up here .

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

there's a lot of it about

― enrique's pseudonym, Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

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