High school teacher's "left wing political rants" investigated by district

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This brings up some discussion-worthy issues.

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Teachers are not there to challenge their students. They are there to read to them and make them feel good about themselves. Thought has no place in school!

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not saying Bush and Hitler are exactly the same, obviously they're not. OK? But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use," says Bennish in his critique of U.S. economic and foreign policy.

Towards the end of the class, Bennish goes on to say, "I'm not in anyway implying that you should agree with me, I don't even know if I'm necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think about these issues more in depth and not to just take things from the surface."

WHOA

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Presumably had they been right wing political rants everything would have been okay...

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not in anyway implying that you should agree with me, I don't even know if I'm necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think about these issues more in depth and not to just take things from the surface."

jesus... how could anyone have a problem with this?

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Presumably had they been right wing political rants everything would have been okay...

This is called PATRIOTISM

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not saying Bush and Hitler are exactly the same, obviously they're not. OK? But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use"

it wouldn't make the news, but i think you're head of dept would have a quiet word if you tried this out on 12-year-olds in england.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Nevermind it being a true statement.

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but kind of at the same time a bit stupid, especially given yr dealing with very young people.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

theyre 16 yr olds!!

,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

In the actual recording linked to the article the teacher comes off as a bit high strung and a little bit of a bully. He really is kind of ranting, punctuated by uncomfortable silences during which the students are stone quiet. Not a good rep for our cause ("our" referring to me and the mouse in my pocket).

Bnad, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

aargh, i read '8th grade' somewhere. yeah, 16-yr-olds can deal.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

h.s. kids are stupid tho yeah

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I have learned the most from people who have angered me when I thought they were wrong. It causes me to look deeper into the subject.

I'm not necessarily saying that this guy's bullying is a premeditated teaching method though....

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

This is about the point I'm happy that I had good social studies classes in high school. I'm pretty sure some student would have made the point that all political speech has the sort of persuasive language the teacher mentioned and a short debate would have sidetracked the class for a few minutes.

Oh no, the teacher has an actual opinion that he has to get off his chest that has no bearing on the class. What if he'd complained about bad drivers? I went through school listening to Spanish teachers complain about sex and violence in movies, middle-aged teachers who made snarky comments about their relationships, science classes that got sidetracked to talk about sports. I don't think I ever complained.

This isn't a case where it's a college professor that's grading poorly because a student differs in opinion. It's just a guy who probably should have saved a comment for the breakroom instead of talking about it in front of his students.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

How would you all feel if they'd been right wing views he was espousing?

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not saying Bush and Stalin are exactly the same, obviously they're not. OK? But there are some eerie similarities to the tones that they use," says Bennish in his critique of U.S. economic and foreign policy.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

How to intimidate the US middle classes: don't actually charge them with something criminal, just 'investigate' what they do to unofficially frown on a non-Establishment opinion and use a slightly ominous tone suggesting permanent records somewhere. Seems to work on 150 million people at any given time.

Political discussions are what social studies and citizenship classes are for! If you could take a pro-Palestine line at my school, argue HEAVILY with someone who supports Zionism for 45 minutes, and still be on speaking terms ever after, then anyone anywhere should be able to discuss anything contentious in an academic setting, because you get to chat about why it makes tempers flare so.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Proabably outraged, which I think is your point - but since right wing views seem to be more mainstream and uncontroversial (I can elaborate on that word later, don't go nuts) I see this as him asking the students to question the messages that they're getting. If he were espousing super left-wing messages, I would think that inappropriate as well.

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Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

This teacher is a bad teacher.

No matter what your political bias may be, you must make students in the room feel welcome. Even Republican students.

As a high school teacher, I have argued with colleagues and friends who parade their politics. One wears a "Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot" t-shirt to class. This gesture succeeds in making the Bush-haters at my school (95 percent of students and teachers) smile and smirk and the tiny minority of Bush-supporters feel like crap.

Far better for a teacher to not be an advocate or a proselytizer (and, if you hear this Colorado teacher's rants on tape, you will hear that he possesses all the nuance and intellectual rigor of a third-string Air America DJ).

When my lit class discusses God, original sin, and justice when we read Candide, no student in the room knows that I am an atheist with little respect for faith. I make a point of including and encouraging every viewpoint. Every student in the room, from the agnostic to the Catholic to the Moonie, must feel that my classroom welcomes them.

Taylor, Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

True. But if they all said that Jesus is magic and everything we do is directed by God, wouldn't you want them to challenge that point of view?

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Some do say that. I make sure they're challenged, whether by other students (best case) or by me (in a Socratic, non-mocking manner I hope). And I make sure the atheists are challenged as well.

Taylor, Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Good! :*)

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Can a 16 yr old be a Republican Student? Where do they get those politcs from?

And whilst speaking from a position of some authority, can a teacher not lead a debate on politics and also state their own politics? I for one would have found it a touch disingenuous if one of my teachers - out on a march against Maggie Thatcher's education cuts, then came in the next day and did not try to explain their actions, with regards to their own politics sometimes.

Of course this is probably another case where the left are being their own worse enemy - though only after the right have whipped them up into being it.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Can a 16 yr old be a Republican Student? Where do they get those politcs from?
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,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Teenagers love boobs!

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

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Okay guys, one more thing, this summer when you're being inundated with all this American bicentennial Fourth Of July brouhaha, don't forget what you're celebrating, and that's the fact that a bunch of slave-owning, aristocratic, white males didn't want to pay their taxes.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I had a middle school teacher who told me that we were not allowed to tape record his lectures because he had copyright on them. Has anyone looked at this issues for this (in college)?

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Have those of you opining on this listened to the recording? I haven't; I'm at work. But the quotes listed give absolutely no indication as to the context or quality of his lecture -- the second one is definitely promising, but if it comes after a genuine self-serving "rant" then it's really just a fig-leaf.

And the question really is whether he was leading a discussion or just kind of going off about his personal views on things. The latter actually is inappropriate. Keep in mind that this isn't college, where you can teach more from a particular viewpoint, to students who choose to be there; high school doesn't quite work that way. You can't spend loads of time explaining your own opinions and then say "I'm just trying to make them think" -- even if it doesn't cross "appropriate" lines, it's not very good teaching. Because it turns the class into an education in the teacher's opinions and possible responses thereto, not a class on the topic itself.

But like I said: I can't listen to the recording right now, so who knows. I could see those quotes fitting into the most innocent, open discussion in the world. I could see those quotes coming from a decent teacher who just happens to occasionally bore his students by going on a bit much about the Bush administration. I could see those quotes coming from someone who's just gone too far into pushing his own analysis of things on his students -- like he fancies himself a college prof who gets to advance more of his own ideas than a high school teacher. And I could see them coming from someone who's gone totally off into inappropriately haranguing his students.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

He does sound like he's ranting, and he's over the top at times - but I would have loved to have a teacher go on that way instead of telling me that I needed to remember whatever dates I was supposed to remember. As long as he lets the students debate back with him (which I'm not sure if he does.)

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

I would have loved to have a teacher go on that way instead of telling me that I needed to remember whatever dates I was supposed to remember

In geography class?? I can see this coming up in a social studies or American government or civics class or what have you, but geography? No.

phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Georgraphy is more than memorizing map outlines.

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my, he looks exactly as I pictured him...

Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

So enough about the teacher - what about the kid & the school?

He took his complaints to a blog and a radio show, but not to the school administrators?
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Dave will do (dave225.3), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Can a 16 yr old be a Republican Student? Where do they get those politcs from?

my teenaged cousin is proud to watch FoxNews with his dad. He'll have a grand old time when he finally goes off to university.

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

DONNA MARTIN GRADUATES

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)


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