So I have a job offer with a "global construction firm" in Saudi Arabia that's too good to turn down...

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...And I'm thinking seriously of taking it. The money's unbeatable, tax free up to a point, and it's not like the US isn't equally abusive to human rights and freedoms, right, just in SLIGHTLY different ways? Or. Is this a huge mistake? Ugh...

GuyLombardo, Friday, 3 March 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

go for it spockyboy

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

that place is quimcentral, i say go for it

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

But get this, every two months, you get a free flight to Dubai for r+r. Hang out with michael jackson and bill clinton. I dunno, something feels weird about it. I've never lived overseas before.

GuyLombardo, Friday, 3 March 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

I will pass on the hammer blow you deserve for comparing the US to Saudi Arabia on human rights and freedoms.

I would get as informed as possible about security measures. It's been fairly calm for the last year or so, but as a foreigner you will be a target.

But I'd probably take it.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

You sound like someone who would hate it there (based on an inadequate data sample, obv).

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

$$$$ = do it!

adam (adam), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

adam OTM, everybody else who gets that opportunity is taking it as down payment on a mansion, so hey

TOMBOT, Friday, 3 March 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

Careerwise, it's hard to say no. I mean it's not like I'm in church every sunday or anything or any of that. I mean, a lot of stuff is probably totally exaggerated anyway. How different is any foreign country these days?

GuyLombardo, Friday, 3 March 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

"How different is any foreign country these days?"

It can still be pretty different. Even in the age of "Globalization", one shouldn't underestimate the cultural and linguistic challenges which are often inherent to life as an expatriate.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

You know, umm, those challenges could be really interesting and educational and you could learn a lot about another culture and have experiences that really expand your thinking and your view of the world and stuff like that.

Not to sound like Reading Rainbow or a Peace Corps recruiter or anything, but you know you really CAN think of it that way.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 3 March 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

o my god do it! i dunno what you do that a firm like this needs you, but there's no way it would look BAD on a resume (unless your career goal is columnist at the nation or something), make a shload of money, and get to see one of the wierdest places on earth. and a dubai vacation every 2 months??

the only downsides would be, being away from everyone you know and love for however long (maybe this is not such a biggie to you, and maybe it's not so long a time). also, no bars (or, see a, i guess).

if you go, keep posting.

geoff (gcannon), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

"You know, umm, those challenges could be really interesting and educational and you could learn a lot about another culture and have experiences that really expand your thinking and your view of the world and stuff like that."

Oh, I completely agree. I've been living abroad for the past 5 years, and it's been great. It hasn't always been easy though, and there were some things that I wasn't completely prepared for. That's all I was trying to say.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

Go for it, but beware that you can't drink (I think?) and it is very hot and dry and people have a er... unique way of doing business over there. But you're male, so you should be ok.

(Before anyone has a go at me, the company I work for has a dubai office I deal with every day, and clients in Iraq and Saudi, so yes I do know)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

"How different is any foreign country these days?"

It can still be pretty different. Even in the age of "Globalization", one shouldn't underestimate the cultural and linguistic challenges which are often inherent to life as an expatriate.

A very generous response to an ignorant question. Yes, globalization has "levelled" the field, but we're not comparing France and the US here -- this is a conservative Islamic desert kingdom.

Speaking from painful personal experience, I can also say that taking yourself out of your "home" labor market can have significant disadvantages long-term (losing industry contacts; making significant achievements more difficult to appreciate to people without any understanding of what you've been doing where; etc.). Hopefully this global firm has prominent enough name that it will help carry you to the next assignment...

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

Do they still force the public to gather and witness petty thieves having their hands chopped off in certain circles of town?

Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to imagine that in the long term having experience with Saudi business could work out to be a pretty big plus on one's resume.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 3 March 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

My Saudi coworker got arrested cos he was on the roof of a convention centre in Dubai (fixing our sat dish) and the security firm thought he was a terrist sniper after the saudi Prince who happened to be in town. Heh.

But then the guy actually did do a runner after smacking his wife up, so there you are.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to imagine that in the long term having experience with Saudi business could work out to be a pretty big plus on one's resume.

That's what everyone told me about working in Russia.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

But get this, every two months, you get a free flight to Dubai for r+r. Hang out with michael jackson and bill clinton. I dunno, something feels weird about it. I've never lived overseas before.
-- GuyLombardo

Do you get to stay here while in Dubai?

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ratty, Friday, 3 March 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking from painful personal experience, I can also say that taking yourself out of your "home" labor market can have significant disadvantages long-term (losing industry contacts; making significant achievements more difficult to appreciate to people without any understanding of what you've been doing where; etc.)

I sometimes worry about this. I'm currently working for a very well-known (American) company in Japan, but I do plan to return home at some point. What types of things did employers say when you returned home? How long did it take to get re-established upon your return?

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

The only things I have to offer are generalizations -- I think a tremendous amount will depend on the industry and your specific responsibilities. And I'm not a great example because of the very specialized field and organization I worked for. No one I know has been able to re-establish themselves in less than 6 months, and most have taken longer.

The main thing I think you will find is that employers find it very difficult to think outside the box. You will probably have relatively more responsibility overseas and feel yourself able to cope with and solve unusual problems, and neither of those may be recognized or valued as much as you would like. I can't speak to Japan, but I have yet to run across anyone who's understood my Russia-specific experience as an asset to them, I just get a lot of "that must have been an interesting experience."

My best advance would be to try to start applying for things, if not interviewing, back home BEFORE you leave Japan.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

"My best advice," that is.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

arigatou gozaimasu.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

nichevo

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

Are they still hiring?

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Friday, 3 March 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Do they take your passport off you? They used to. I wouldn't go if they do.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 3 March 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

I've started working abroad 7 years ago and although I've changed places in the meantime I've found it impossible to find something home (admittedly I didn't try very hard). As said upthread, it's difficult to translate foreign work experience in the domestic scheme of things and people usually hear about jobs from friends and colleagues so being far from that environment is kind of self-perpetauating. Personally, I wouldn't go to Saudi A., as I'd feel like i'd be sacrificing too many aspects of my life (social, cultural).

Le Baaderonixx de Clignancourt (baaderonixx), Friday, 3 March 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Is Guy Lombardo dead?

https://www.archpaper.com/2024/10/documentary-reveals-21000-workers-killed-saudi-vision-2030-neom/

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 November 2024 14:57 (seven months ago)


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