Brokeback Mountain Snubbed - Homophobia or the same old nonsense?

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Ah, the water cooler topic of the day. It's a little of both, I think. Yeah, yeah, we know the Academy almost always chooses a crapulous Best Picture, but still.

I should point out that there really is no precedent for Crash's triumph. Prior to the Oscars it had won the Chicago Film Critics award for Best Pic and the Screen Actors Guild's Best Ensemble Cast award.

Why Crash won:

1. Massive promotion budget. Its producers mailed thousands of screeners to Academy members;

2. Californians (and the Academy) like it when their sensibilities are flattered. They like to think all gangstas look and talk like Ludacris, that all cops are as porcine and repellent as Matt Dillon, that Sandra Bullock really is an evil bitch beneath the bubbly exterior;

3. A little bit of homophobia. Get ready: in 20 years, when the Academy realizes it has to make up for its error, a gay-themed film as platitudinous as Crash will win Best Picture.

4. BBM lacked an "It's So Hard To Be A Pimp."

Kenneth Turan in the L.A. Times:

In the privacy of the voting booth, as many political candidates who've led in polls only to lose elections have found out, people are free to act out the unspoken fears and unconscious prejudices that they would never breathe to another soul, or, likely, acknowledge to themselves. And at least this year, that acting out doomed "Brokeback Mountain."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Grizzly Man write-in vote

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rpi.edu/~chasel/discus.gif

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

How was GM not nominated for documentary?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Alternately: "We've been talking about this movie on and on for months and everyone thinks it's totally gonna win but here I am about to vote and you know what I'm independent and interesting and I'm putting Crash down, thank you very much, we are not your dancing monkeys and maybe something else will win and then you'll talk about it afterwards which is just a form of RESPECTING OUR AUTHORITAE."

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

4. BBM lacked an "It's So Hard To Be A Pimp."

Uh, not from Crash?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco is completely correct, if even that is what happened at all. Get one (1) over it.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

I've read numerous clandetsine accounts about how Academy Members refused to see BBM, etc. These are from months ago.. I do believe there is some creedemce to them.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Gay people need to snub the oscars.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oscar voters "sticking it to the man"

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

And Academy Awards mean... what...? in terms of assessing the cultural importance of a film?

Hollywood trying to remain relevant to middle America, blahblahblah

― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

OK quick who are the "Academy Members" and "Oscar voters"?

xpost yeah that is teh good point also

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the reel of homoerotic clips from old westerns delivers a subliminal message: we liked you guys better sublimated and closety.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

To cause (a solid or gas) to change state without becoming a liquid.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the reel of homoerotic clips from old westerns delivers a subliminal message: we liked you guys better sublimated and closety.

My favorite part of the show, especially when one of the cutaways was reserved for ancient Mickey Rooney, looking horrified.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

everytime they showed brokeback clips last nite i knew i could never see it in the theatre cuz i would be laughing too hard and everyone would think i was horrible. it already looks like a parody. i do want to see it though. it looks like a hoot and a half.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost

To modify the natural expression of (a primitive, instinctual impulse) in a socially acceptable manner.
b. To divert the energy associated with (an unacceptable impulse or drive) into a personally and socially acceptable activity.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

It really isn't ever very funny on any kind of level, except for when Michelle Williams or bad makeup is involved. It's just a widescreen slow-moving/graceful (depending on how you see it) Hollywood drama.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

those western clips were amazing. someone did a good job putting them together. probably daily show folks.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I just think brokeback was okay. just okay.

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

"It really isn't ever very funny on any kind of level"

really? the clips make it look so bad. and they make the two leads look bad too. bad/funny though. but maybe clips don't do it justice. or maybe i was just really stoned last nite.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

"Jack Twist? Jack Nasty!" is like the funniest line ever you must admit.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was hoping that at least if I was bored, it would be bad/funny, but for a melodrama it's too low-key to every really hit those wrong notes often enough to be camp-funny. By nature it's a very subdued film.

I quite liked it.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

You know how black people always go "THAT'S RACIST!" whenever a movie featuring black actors gets nominated and then blanked by the Academy?

WELCOME TO THE CLUB

― Dan (Guess What, White Gay People? You're Still Minorities!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah the clips/trailer make it look VERY camp and overwrought ("I Wish I Knew How to Quit YoU!" is taken out of context), but the actual film is very sombre and not funny at all exception for some unintenionally funny dialogue ("Jack Twist?! Jack Nasty" being the biggest example).

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

"Jack Twist? Jack Nasty!" is like the funniest line ever you must admit.

Ever? No.

Yeah, I'm pissed that Munich didn't win! Hollywood always be snubbing the Jews!

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

re: grizzly man...

haven't seen it, but seeing as how most herzog "documentaries" run loose with the facts and interject many fictions (to get to the heart of the matter, but still) it could be messy if one wins best doc, no?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

And Grizzly Man wasn't even Herzog's best doc of 2006! ;)

(/snob)

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

2005

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

You know how black people always go "THAT'S RACIST!" whenever a movie featuring black actors gets nominated and then blanked by the Academy?

Moral to the gays = don't go on and on about Brokeback losing the Oscar and we won't have to suffer a gay-themed movie as awful as Crash winning 20 years from now.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://codeinsurrection.com/pics/racist.gif

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was actually told that Grizzly Man was deemed ineligible because too much of the film relied on Treadwell's footage. That seems like a stupid requirement for a documentary award, but there you go.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Let me guess who told you that...

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Haha!!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

BINGO.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

This guy totally needs a theme song or something.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Moral to the gays = don't go on and on about Brokeback losing the Oscar and we won't have to suffer a gay-themed movie as awful as Crash winning 20 years from now.

It will be called South Beach, starring Gael Garcia Bernal and Marc Anthony, with Salma Hayek as the long-suffering wife.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

How many sequences from Red River were in the Oscar's tribute to repressed cowboys?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

I would love to see a faithful movie version of James Purdy's Narrow Rooms starring those dudes. THEN you would see something.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

doing a quick google search and it sez that derek jarman wanted to make a Narrow Rooms movie at one point. that would have been the coolest. although, i know john waters is a huge fan, maybe he should make it. No Dorff though! If I had 10 mil i would hand it to him.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

If Fassbinder were alive, I'd say he'd be the only filmmaker who can do Purdy justice.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

scott dont listen to adam bbm was f'n hilarious. it was like a high school play. i was high as fukk though.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

my first thought last night after hearing the news: "the gays will scream 'discrimination.' "

brokeback mountain was only the "frontrunner" because of the hype, a subject more conducive to column-inches, not necessarily because it was that much "better" than the other nominees. these award are always a crap shoot.

― mitya is really tired of making up names, Monday, 6 March 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

brokeback mountain was only the "frontrunner" because of the hype,

And because, you know, it won every other award on the planet..

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

I love this headline, from the SF Chronicle (apologies if already posted elsewhere).

Gays brokenhearted over 'Brokeback' loss
S.F. crowd gets quiet, some cry as 'Crash' wins Oscar"

This was supposed to have been the big "gay" year at the Oscars

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the mood in the office is definitely down (even bitter) today.

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

oh chaki

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Does S.F. generally hate L.A.? Serious question, as a midwesterner.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

oooooh that's a hard one for me to answer right now!

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it isn't really. I have yet to meet anyone from the Bay Area who doesn't wrinkle their nose at the mention of LA. I like it, though!

― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

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My girlfriend convinced me to go see it with her, and I enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. I liked the atmosphere and music quite a bit. I liked how the wide open spaces, and the decrepit towns and trailers they had to come back to, was so metaphoric for the times they were with each other and the times they weren't. I liked the moral ambiguity in the movie. These guys weren't heroes by any stretch. People were hurt and fucked over by their attempts to carry on 'normal' lives.

Josh –

Your unforced, quite lowkey enjoyment of the movie is the most refreshing thing I've read about BBM for weeks.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

How does "BHB" rank as one of PE's best song titles? I put it up there with "War at 33 1/3" as my two favorites, but then i'm just another indie saddo

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

kane's verse on that track is one of my favorites of all time; ice-t's easily one of the worst he's ever done

still wanna see brokeback mtn but have had trouble finding people who want to go see it w/me.. what's weird is that it's hard to find a showing outside the metropole; knoxville and dallas, for instance, each had maayyybe 1 cinema showing it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

how long before the cheapie theaters start screening it? april?

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Austin only had one theater showing it.

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

josh in sf -- totally otm on all counts. I agree that your post was refreshing. There is so much shit surrounding this movie that really has nothing to do with the thing itself.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

ice t is not on the song, tracer.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

DVD will be out in April, surely?

As I think Manohla Dargis pointed out in the Times Sunday, all tehBest Picture nominees will scaledown to TV agreeably -- except Munich. Which is why you should get your ass to it in a theater.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

yes yes, stence; i meant kool moe dee of course! i mean, kurtis blow! gah, one of my favorite songs ever and i get every detail wrong.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

i would like to hire you as a fact-checker. for my posts. you may have to take deferred payment for the first several years.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't seen BBM but isn't it a big-screen big-sky montana thing? It will scale down to my little TV?

― andy --, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

i gives the shit away.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

i saw BBM in Austin on monday and had about 6 or 7 theaters to choose from.

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

The landscapes are not crucial to the intimacy of the tale, not as they would be to ... an IMAX movie?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

"BBM" sounds like an acronym straight out of the village voice personals section. sorry, i had to say it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

also i should mention here that my old school, the very conservative Texas A&M, was sort-of mentioned in the movie!

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

bare-bottomed male?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

though it played in olds, alberta, at the only theater (olds is cowboy country, and has a population of maybe 6k)

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

xpost It's also too bad that certain obnoxious people in the gay community feel like this movie is supposed to do anything to advance their cause. Aside from breaking from the stereotypical Hollywood portrayals of gay men as humourously effeminate, I don't really understand how this movie does any favors for gay activism. I thought it was a depressing movie. It was a story about two average guys in a fairly bleak environment who got a taste of something beautiful, but didn't have the vision or guts to pursue it. If you take the gay or even romantic aspect of it out of the movie, I think most people can relate to that. I liked your post a lot, too, Josh, but unfortunately IMO you've missed the whole point. The way the movie was supposed to advance the cause was to get people to see the film exactly the way you did -- "a couple of people in a fairly bleak environment who got a taste of something beautiful but didn't have the vision or guts to appreciate it." An altogether unremarkable plot, albeit told and acted well. And the fact that the two people happen to be gay. The main goal, I think, is for people to be able to feel the story, empathize with the situation, and not just hate the people because they're gay. And winning the Oscar would have been the ultimate "acceptance."

― mitya is really tired of making up names, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Except that claiming the loss of the Oscar was due to homophobia completely obliterates that point.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

That is such a complete and total heap of shit you just said. xpost, obv.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

"cause" movies in general are stupid. I also don't like Ang Lee - and both of these things have made me hesitant to see the film.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's not a heap of shit, it's just that then turning around and having people bitch slap each other about homophobia because the film didn't win completely ruins that point. This is what I dislike about the response these Oscars are getting, it strikes me as kind of odd that, for a film which has gotten criticism/lauds for actually being exactly what mitya said, no one seems to believe that, by some weird chance, the Academy members also saw the same thing everyone else here did and didn't actually see this as some kind of huge fucking statement about gay people. Not to mention the icky idea that a vote FOR Crash, Capote, GNGL, or for fuck's sake even a write in for Lemony Snicket is actually a vote against gay people. Or cowboys. Or pudding. If one of the other films won (and quite frankly a couple of them look like better films to me than either Crash or BBM) would that be a vote against blacks? Against gays? What is the deal?

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I had actual spacing and paragraph separators in that post and ILX ate 'em. That's something people should be up in arms about, not the damn Oscars.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny how one second Hollywood is "out of touch" w/America and the next second it is granted the power to bestow a general American acceptance or denial of something or other.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

no one seems to believe that, by some weird chance, the Academy members also saw the same thing everyone else here did and didn't actually see this as some kind of huge fucking statement about gay people. I'd be less offended by Crash's win if (a) we had seen a Crash upset coming; (b) any of the other nominees had won. I don't have a problem with the middlebrow pleasures of Capote or the Clooney flick, or hell, the failed muddle that is Munich.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

TRACER HAND OTM LOCK THREAD OK BYE

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's not really a cause movie in a confrontational way, though. Like Josh said, it's as much about the large landscapes, slow movement, and interactions with the other characters as it is about any "cause." I thought some of the best parts were the ones that developed the seperate families and careers. It's more of a conflicted relationship and story of two different people than it is a direct confrontation. Sure, the conflict is partially due to the fact they couldn't be public... Ebert is way off, I'll readily admit to a little hating on Crash despite having not yet seen it, but mostly because my friends who I trust on movies have keep warning me away from it. I did see Capote though, and I would have been happy to see it win. Philip Seymour Hoffman was great! Tracer, isn't that what Clooney was saying about Hollywood lagging the country?

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, EITHER the Academy is a bunch of opportunistic, slightly kinky fame-whores OR it's a barometer or proxy for how mainstream America feels about things. Or, perhaps we should just cut out the middleman and admit that WE, including Hollywood, are in fact a nation of opportunistic, slightly kinky fame-whores with a vestigial and often pathetically executed aspiration for a more equal society. xpost even the eagle-eyed hstencil agrees!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

I just did a search to see if I had ever used "middlebrow" and thankfully the results were negative, so no worries, DC commuters, I will not be blocking your train with my corpse tonight.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost mike i don't know, i started watching near the end.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

And I am also kind of blown away that people would still argue that quality, of any sort, has anything to do with Best Picture.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

mike he said exactly the OPPOSITE, he said the country lagged HOLLYWOOD.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

And I am also kind of blown away that people would still argue that quality, of any sort, has anything to do with Best Picture. No, I just think it's fun. WE, including Hollywood, are in fact a nation of opportunistic, slightly kinky fame-whores with a vestigial and often pathetically executed aspiration for a more equal society Guilty as charged!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

On "Jay Leno" last night, when asked if Hollywood "was out of touch with mainstream America," Ebert said, "No. It's mainstream America that's out of touch with good movie."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

In mainstream SOVIET UNION, good movie is out of touch with YOU!!

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

they arent gay, they are MSM with relationships with women, sometimes filled with desire and lust.

i will keep saying this.

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

"middlebrow" is the most useless critical term ever invented.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

MSM, huh...

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

i will keep saying this:

"discus"

― anthongy easton (ex machina), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.aquariumhobbyist.com/discus/strains/brown.jpg

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

"middlebrow" is the most useless critical term ever invented.

Unless we're generalizing.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

"middlebrow" is the most useless critical term ever invented.

that's so middlebrow

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Should we use "bourgeois" instead?

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

what's weird is that it's hard to find a showing outside the metropole; knoxville and dallas, for instance, each had maayyybe 1 cinema showing it.

Hmmm? At the peak, it was playing in a good dozen theaters - six in Dallas, one in each of the major suburbs/minor cities (Plano, Hurst, Arlington) and a few in Ft. Worth.

The area was surprisingly open to the movie, and the night I went (right after the Golden Globes, I think) was fairly packed with middle-aged and younger women. And me. Trying to look macho and straight.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

the crowd i saw it with in austin was an elderly couple and prob ten or so single women! and me and my mom, haha.

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

there's been some press about how well it's done in non-metropolitan markets.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

haha i am so off-target with my facts today i think i need to er, i dunno, what does somebody do when they get every fact wrong, even about places and things that they actually know well? in any case, this WAS true in knoxville. in ft. worth i was admittedly relying on hearsay.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

On "Jay Leno" last night, when asked if Hollywood "was out of touch with mainstream America," Ebert said, "No. It's mainstream America that's out of touch with good movie."

There's some kick left in that old shoe yet.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

Is Knoxville the kind of town where Oscar movies get multiple screens anyway? I have no idea how big it is.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

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