Another list to dismiss/dissect: Premiere Magazine's top 100 performances

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01. Peter O'Toole as T. E. Lawrence, "Lawrence of Arabia"
02. Marlon Brando as Terry Malloy, "On the Waterfront"
03. Meryl Streep as Sophie Zawistowska, "Sophie's Choice"
04. Al Pacino as Sonny Wortzik, "Dog Day Afternoon"
05. Bette Davis as Margo Channing, "All About Eve"
06. James Cagney as George M. Cohan, "Yankee Doodle Dandy"
07. Dustin Hoffman as "Ratso" Rizzo, "Midnight Cowboy"
08. James Stewart as George Bailey, "It's a Wonderful Life"
09. Gene Wilder as Dr. Frederick Frankenstein, "Young Frankenstein"
10. Robert DeNiro as Jack LaMotta, "Raging Bull"
11. Daniel Day-Lewis as Christy Brown, "My Left Foot"
12. Jack Nicholson as "Badass" Buddusky, "The Last Detail"
13. Katharine Hepburn as Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
14. Robert Duvall as Mac Sledge, "Tender Mercies"
15. Tom Hanks as Josh Baskin, "Big"
16. Cary Grant as T. R. Devlin, "Notorious"
17. Denzel Washington as Malcolm X, "Malcolm X"
18. Emily Watson as Bess McNeill, "Breaking the Waves"
19. Paul Newman as Frank Galvin, "The Verdict"
20. Al Pacino as Michael Corleone, "The Godfather Part II"
21. Giulietta Masina as Cabiria, "Nights of Cabiria"
22. Johnny Depp as Edward Scissorhands, "Edward Scissorhands"
23. Russell Crowe as Jeffrey Wigand, "The Insider"
24. Humphrey Bogart as Fred C. Dobbs, "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre"
25. Greta Garbo as Ninotchka, "Ninotchka"
26. Maria Falconetti as Joan of Arc, "The Passion of Joan of Arc"
27. Marlon Brando as Paul, "Last Tango in Paris"
28. Rosalind Russell as Hildy Johnson, "His Girl Friday"
29. Peter Sellers as Chance the Gardener, "Being There"
31. Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles, "Ray"
30. James Stewart as John "Scottie" Ferguson, "Vertigo"
32. Audrey Hepburn as Holly Golightly, "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
33. Dustin Hoffman as Michael Dorsey/Dorothy Michaels, "Tootsie"
34. Buster Keaton as Johnny Gray, "The General"
35. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Truman Capote, "Capote"
36. Faye Dunaway as Evelyn Cross Mulwray, "Chinatown"
37. Gene Hackman as Harry Caul, "The Conversation"
38. Carole Lombard as Maria Tura, "To Be or Not To Be"
39. Laurence Olivier as Richard III, "Richard III"
40. Nicole Kidman as Suzanne Stone Maretto, "To Die For"
41. Samuel L. Jackson as Jules Winnfield, "Pulp Fiction"
42. Robert DeNiro as Travis Bickle, "Taxi Driver"
43. James Dean as Jim Stark, "Rebel without a Cause"
44. Charlie Chaplin as a Tramp, "City Lights"
45. Reese Witherspoon as Tracy Flick, "Election"
46. Tom Hanks as Chuck Noland, "Cast Away"
47. Jack Nicholson as Randle Patrick McMurphy, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"
48. Bill Murray as Phil Connors, "Groundhog Day"
49. Liv Ullmann as Eliabeth Volger, "Persona"
50. Humphrey Bogard as Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
51. Henry Fonda as Tom Joad, "The Grapes of Wrath"
52. Emma Thompson as Miss Kenton, "The Remains of the Day"
53. Daniel Day-Lewis as Bill "The Butcher" Cutting, "Gangs of New York"
54. Katharine Hepburn as Tracy Lord, "A Philadelphia Story"
55. Sidney Poitier as Virgil Tibbs, "In the Heat of the Night"
56. Jodie Foster as Sarah Tobias, "The Accused"
57. Max von Sydow as Lasse Karlsson, "Pelle the Conquerer"
58. Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Ripley, "Aliens"
59. Catherine Deneuve as Severine Serizy, "Belle Du Jour"
60. Diane Keaton as Annie Hall, "Annie Hall"
61. Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goeth, "Schindler's List"
62. Gary Oldman as Sid Vicious, "Sid and Nancy"
63. Gena Rowlands as Mabel Longhetti, "A Woman Under the Influence"
64. Paul Newsman as Fast Eddie Felson, "The Hustler"
65. Jack Lemmon as Jerry/Daphne, "Some Like it Hot"
66. Holly Hunter as Jane Craig, "Broadcast News"
67. Spencer Tracy as Harry Drummond, "Inherit the Wind"
68. Cary Grant as Dr. David Huxley, "Bringing Up Baby"
69. Gloria Swanson as Norma Desmond, "Sunset Boulevard"
70. Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, "The Silence of the Lambs"
71. Meryl Streep as Karen Silkwood, "Silkwood"
72. Judy Garland as Esther Blodgett aka Vicki Lester, "A Star is Born"
73. John Travolta as Tony Manero, "Saturday Night Fever"
74. Madeline Kahn as Lili Von Schtupp, "Blazing Saddles"
75. Julie Christie as Diana Scott, "Darling"
76. Burt Lancaster as J. J. Hunsecker, "Sweet Smell of Success"
77. Morgan Freeman as Leo Smalls Jr. aka Fast Black, "Street Smart"
78. Toshiro Mifune as Sanjuro Kuwabatake, "Yojimbo"
79. Johnny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl"
80. Jeanne Moreau as Catherine, "Jules and Jim"
81. Kate Winslet as Clementine Kruczynski, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
82. George C. Scott as General George S. Patton Jr., "Patton"
83. Hilary Swank as Brandon Teena, "Boys Don't Cry"
84. Anjelica Huston as Lilly Dillon, "The Grifters"
85. Jessica Lange as Frances Farmer, "Frances"
86. Robert Walker as Bruno Anthony, "Strangers on a Train"
87. John Wayne as Ethan Edwards, "The Searchers"
88. Christopher Walker as Nick Chevotarevich, "The Deer Hunter"
89. Gong Li as Juxian, "Farewell My Concubine"
90. Jeff Bridges as Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski, "The Big Lebowski"
91. Jane Fonda as Bree Daniels, "Klute"
92. Clint Eastwood as "Dirty" Harry Callahan, "Dirty Harry"
93. Joan Crawford as Mildred Pierce, "Mildred Pierce"
94. Peter Lorre as Hans Beckert, "M"
95. Angela Bassett as Tina Turner, "What's Love Got to Do With It?"
96. Judy Holliday as Billie Dawn, "Born Yesterday"
97. Ben Kingsley as Don Logan, "Sexy Beast"
98. Barbara Stanwyck as Phyllis Dietrichson, "Double Indemnity"
99. Steve Martin as Navin Johnson, "The Jerk"
100. Malcolm McDowell as Alex DeLarge, "A Clockwork Orange"

There's a distinct lack of John Waters performances on this list.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

Jamie Foxx = ....

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite juxtaposition:

34. Buster Keaton as Johnny Gray, "The General"
35. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Truman Capote, "Capote"

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

*gregorypecktokillamockingbirdcoughcough*

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

And pacino in GF 1 is better than pacino in GF 2 mostly because Loud Pacino began with 2.

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

tom hanks at 15, huh? he should've gotten it for "the burbs"!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

31. Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles, "Ray"
30. James Stewart as John "Scottie" Ferguson, "Vertigo"

um.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

That's weird. Moreso because one of them should probably be, like, #3001.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

No room, apparently, for Ingrid Bergman, Lillian Gish, Gregory Peck, Elizabeth Taylor, Robert Mitchum or Divine.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

or Montgomery Clift!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

or Adam Sandler!

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

Or the one who's actually good in Midnight Cowboy. By that I mean Sylvia Miles.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

how many of these could we say are noted for their subtlety?

also

81. Kate Winslet as Clementine Kruczynski, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"
82. George C. Scott as General George S. Patton Jr., "Patton"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

00. Christopher Walken as Whitley Strieber, "Communion"

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

also,

20. Al Pacino as Michael Corleone, "The Godfather Part II"
22. Johnny Depp as Edward Scissorhands, "Edward Scissorhands"
23. Russell Crowe as Jeffrey Wigand, "The Insider"

76. Burt Lancaster as J. J. Hunsecker, "Sweet Smell of Success" 78. Toshiro Mifune as Sanjuro Kuwabatake, "Yojimbo"
94. Peter Lorre as Hans Beckert, "M"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Martin, Jeff Bridges and Holly Hunter certainly beat John Gielgud, Orson Welles and Ingrid Bergman in my book

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Even Welles in Touch of Evil?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

how many of these could we say are noted for their subtlety?

Bbbut we wouldn't be able to tell it was acting if it was subtle!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I'm beginning to think that Acting : Lyrics :: Me : Ned.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

I like bad acting better than this shit.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I'm beginning to think that Acting : Lyrics :: Me : Ned.

Hahahaha. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

It's been a couple of years since I saw it, but wasn't Maria Falconetti's performance almost entirely the cinematography and editing? Do silent close-ups count as performance?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

I just saw "Paper Moon" for the first time. Tatum O'Neal is brilliant in that.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

That movie has a better MK performance, too.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

48. Bill Murray as Phil Connors, "Groundhog Day"
OBVIOUSLY BILL MURRAY'S GREATEST CINEMATIC ACHIEVEMENT.

78. Toshiro Mifune as Sanjuro Kuwabatake, "Yojimbo"
!!!

I would mention the absence of Tony Leung, Chow Yun-Fat, Daniel Auteuil, Klaus Kinski....but REALLY WHY BOTHER WHEN YOU HAVE LOUD PACINO. I can't believe "Scent of a Woman" didn't make it.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

Premiere is fascinatingly weird. They'll have a bunch of reasonably good rundowns on coming films and features and interviews, then throw in some bizarre list so Hollywood-friendly that the AFI is disturbed.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's an appalling list. And no Jean Gabin!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 19 March 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

i saw falconetti in the midst of an australian artists documentary/artist feature, in a room, where two screens were her and two screens were interviews with australian depressives who were hospitalized. it was so strange, the iconic and the vernacular combined like that, it re-convinced me it was a brilliant performance.

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 19 March 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

What a bunch of hams! I especially take issue with :

92. Clint Eastwood as "Dirty" Harry Callahan, "Dirty Harry"

Surprised not to see Alec Guinness in there, although he'd probably have made it for Star Wars rather than The Ladykillers so maybe it's all for the best.

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Sunday, 19 March 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

i agree, dirty harry is way too low.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 19 March 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

40. Nicole Kidman as Suzanne Stone Maretto, "To Die For"

Huh.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

this list is bullshit

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

46. Tom Hanks as Chuck Noland, "Cast Away"

Oh, brother.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, the volleyball was great in that movie, wtf

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

The brave and correct (and perhaps too low) pick at #9 almost redeems this list.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

dismiss.

"Yankee Doodle Dandy" may not be in Cagney's top 50 performances.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

WTF. Wot, a slow day at the office at Premiere magazine? How fuckin' lame can it get?

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Monday, 20 March 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

The Movie Magazine for People Who Hate Movies

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't realize this magazine still existed.

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

32. Audrey Hepburn as Holly Golightly, "Breakfast at Tiffany's"

Women between 25 and 49 will now extend their Premiere subscriptions.

Hey, not one of the top 100 performances was given in a supporting role. Screw you, Agnes Moorehead and Estelle Parsons.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

NO SPACEY NO CREDIBILITY

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

huh. This list reminded me of loads of great performances and movies I really liked. y'all really like to badmouth lists, I take it?

― lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, yeah, lists have become a real pet peeve around here. Not for me, but for a lot of ILXors. It would be interesting for posters to actually make a list of their own favorite performances, but I don't expect anyone to actually do that.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

1) owen wilson as heat vision

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I see a lot of 'safe' showy perfs that overwhelm the movies they're in (Sophie's Choice, Patton) and a few obvious landmarks (Brando in OTWF). A more interesting and purposeful list would be "100 you likely don't know," with Hanna Schygulla and John Garfield on it.

Tho I notice now there are supporting actors listed: Madeline Kahn (doing an impression of the unlisted Dietrich; PERFECT), Morgan Freeman and (arguably) Ben Kingsley. Apparently they just noticed the stars up til '74.

I think most fans who've seen most Bogart films would agree his best acting is In a Lonely Place.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

high fives xpost

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

A more interesting and purposeful list would be "100 you likely don't know," with Hanna Schygulla and John Garfield on it.

Yeah like all those baseball books now with subtitles that tell us how much we don't know about the science of the game, those are really not an insult to the intelligence AT ALL.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

The lack of Gergory Peck on this list just amazes me. I have watched Lebowski a bunch, but Peck's Atticus Finch is just gravitas defined.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

are you fucking kidding? i'd rather see dave lee travis play macbeth.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

haikunym OTM

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

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23. Russell Crowe as Jeffrey Wigand, "The Insider"

fuck that shit! hopper in 'blue velvet'!

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

The solution is to go on the internet and unleash your boundless scorn for movies and the people who enjoy them every chance you get, because you know a FILM that's BETTER and you're BITTER that the unwashed masses don't necessarily agree.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

My main problem with this list is that Jimmy Stewart didn't get in for Harvey and Val Kilmer didn't get in for Real Genius.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Kilmer deserves it more for Top Secret!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post)

Nah, the solution is to keep any valence information one gleans about films to oneself and hope that time erases it from existence.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

No he doesn't. Top Secret is for disgusting retards who like shit and hate blacks and foreigners. Real Genius is one of the greatest political and artistic statements of its decade. Xpost.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying, Eric! I'm trying!

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent, now I am a disgusting retard who likes shit and hates blacks and foreigners! And it's not even lunchtime yet!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

That's the worst thing about lists, really. That they remind us of stuff that should've been forgotten, frankly.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

y'all really like to badmouth lists, I take it?

Actually, I don't have a problem with lists at all: lists from individuals. Terrible taste on a personal level is far preferable to bland collective taste, et al.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yep!

The Garfield performance I would pick is Force of Evil. But of course that's alwaysthe problem, ppl pick one paradigm per actor and stick with it -- Premiere chose Loud Brash Jack (Last Detail, Cuckoo's Nest) over the mercurial version (Easy Rider, 5 Easy Pieces), Suffering Paul Newman (Verdict, Hustler) over scumbag (Hud), etc.

unleash your boundless scorn for movies and the people who enjoy them every chance you get

Because, you know, it's not possible that I doenjoy my preferred films, or that if people saw them they would prefer them to Sanctioned Stale Shit. But Officially Enjoyable Movies are the same couple hundred the mass media talk about over and over, and pointing out any one of them creaks is like farting in the airlock of the Spaceship Discovery when Tombot is smoking pot.

I fucking hate Le Mepris, gimme Vivien Leigh as Scarlett O'Hara any day.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

*and it was at that moment when Matt decided to vanish*

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but Morbs your & Eric's ratio of posts describing why you like the movies you do versus posts describing why you hate everything else is about 1:700, and not only that, for 50% of those 700 posts you manage to be condescending enough about your distaste for films that other people enjoy that you come off like trolls.

It's even harder to imagine you actually enjoy film when your posts keep coming out as "This was great, you don't like it, you like something else, well, not my fault you're a fucking crack baby."

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

A 200-word reply just got eaten, so I'll just say you were right last fall to ask me why am I on the fucking Internet?

(also I get the most grief for liking 'commercial' films, eg Munich, The Ice Harvest, etc)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think most fans who've seen most Bogart films would agree his best acting is In a Lonely Place.

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), March 21st, 2006 10:17 AM. (Dr Morbius) (later) (link)

OTFUCKINGM.

The problem of this list (for me) is its rewarding of "safe" roles and overacting and its total discounting of non-English-speaking actors (you might even say non-American, there aren't even that many Brits on the list). Additionally, the inclusion of Denzel Washington for Malcom X (instead of, say, Philadelphia) and Jamie Foxx for Ray smacks of "FAMOUS BLACK PEOPLE PLAYING FAMOUS BLACK PEOPLE" tokenism to me. I'd be less annoyed with this list if it was "100 Greatest English-speaking Performances."

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

and don't bag on Depp in Scissorhands, that was a hell of an acting job

Balls, he's the most overrated actor of his generation

― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

oh you guys and your cantankerousness.

as a boundlessly successful film journalist and academic, i can tell ye that it's a TRICKY BALANCING ACT between on the one hand saying nothing that people don't already know (ie premiere-style) and on the other being film snobs. it's not either-or; but ffs john garfield was a big star!

Regardless of Garfield, I would like to say the reason I said haikunym was OTM was because I agree with exactly what you are saying (basically); what I find distasteful is the dangling of the idea that people only know yr Depps and Washingtons and that somehow we, the people who took Foreign Films 101 or something, are the gatekeepers to all that is known. Present more obscure choices! That is good! But the whole "The masses don't know of this" way of presenting it (which is actually present in a lot of publications and not just here anyway) is like nails on the chalkboard.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

62. Gary Oldman as Sid Vicious, "Sid and Nancy"
29. Peter Sellers as Chance the Gardener, "Being There"
???

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I actually am kind of dumbfounded now that I realized Johnny Depp is on that list TWICE.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

you think Scott overwhelms Patton the movie?! I mean it is nominally about one dude, of course. But besides that. I mean, Scott is explicitly dwarfed by Koenekamp. And I think of Malden as the face of the movie in a sense. Is it possible you're just unhappy that the voice of the movie isn't that of the Great Dee-rec-tor a la guess who's films?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of Koenekamp, apparently he shot docudrama about a 1982 DC airliner crash? with Barry Corbin? and somebody named Jane Kaczmarek? there's a comment at that imdb page from a Pentagon dude who was supposed to be on the flight.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I cannot imagine what would be going on in my head where I would look at that list and care one way or the other about it.

― Dan (Hopefully Bullets) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Is it possible you're just unhappy that the voice of the movie isn't that of the Great Dee-rec-tor a la guess who's films?

Spielberg just made his first great movie in 18 years -- I assume you picked up the myth that I'm some worshiper of his from I Wonder Who -- and I think I ranked Saving Private Ryan about the 20th-best film of '98. Patton is just a canny, have-it-both-ways TV-style biomovie, Scott was lots better as Buck Turgidson.

Aside from Sean Penn, who's been a better American film actor in the last 25 years than Depp? I can't think of many besides those two who have even been consistently interesting.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

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― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, it's a backpedal when you misread my opinions and I correct them.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that is what goes on on every single film thread you post to. The majority of ILX misunderstands you. Not at all that you go on and purposefully act like a belligerent contrarian and argue endlessly about how wonderful Spielberg is months and months and months before Munich came out and then expect to not get the moniker "Spielberg Blowjob Giver."

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

You don't exactly see me claiming I've been "misunderstood" when people make cracks about me being loose, so you might as well just own up to shit you post and deal with it good humoredly instead of claiming everyone's out to smear you. No one made you defend a hack.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, what I consistently posted is SPIELBERG DOESN"T SUCK SHIT, you delusional bint.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Patton is just a canny, have-it-both-ways TV-style biomovie, Scott was lots better as Buck Turgidson.

ok, I think this comes down to politics. I see the have-it-both-ways point (which is the reason for the appeal to 60s-baby neocons like my uncle, who introduced me to it), but I call that complexity. Which there isn't much of in Kubrick's most sophomoric film (that I've seen).

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Could be... haha, sophomoric if you believe John Warner can save the Dems mebbe. ;) Nixon loooooooooved the Patton.

The majority of ILX misunderstands you.

Yeah, apparently a lot of you smoke pot!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

"yeah, Haldeman. John Haldeman"

Patton is a touchstone for neocons (and I guess realpolitickers too), but I don't really go to them for my art criticism.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

i dont care much about acting in general but this list strikes me as "movie star acting" as opposed to, you know, playing a role. (im sure that's been said already above, but you fuckers have got to learn to make shorter threads)

― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

"movie star acting" is what Premiere is marketing, for sure.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

ryan otm (especially in the parens)

― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

We do Satantango threads (with the hysteria of The Haggis Movie)!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that the threads are too long per se....just that all the interesting stuff gets buried in a pile of personal flamewars between two posters. *cough*

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

So, since when has Peter Sellers not been considered a great actor?

anyways, this is so ridiculous. everyone's gotta take their potshots at a list some people got together and made of some acting they thought was great? oh noes, differing opinions!

regardless, i would agree with ryan except for how many awesome roles i see when i look at the characters mentioned.

― lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Point taken, Jessie. That won't be happening anymore.

Though generally wasted by Hollywood in his last decade, Sellers was most definitely a great actor, but Being There is exactly the kind of role (two-dimensional by definition, sober, Important) that people who don't see the wonder in an amazing performance like I'm All Right, Jack prefer to canonize.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, Lawrence of Arabia is more David Lean's masterpiece than Petere O'Toole's. Brando's Malloy is unequaled.

― Marty Scorsese, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

Where's Brando's Godfather I and where is Peter Seller's Strangelove?

― Marty Scorsese, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.impossiblefunky.com/images/archives/issue_7/warren.jpg

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

At least there is no Mel Gibson...but Dirty Harry over William Muny in Unforgiven...come on.

― Mxwll, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm...what a bullshit list. no ben kingsly for gandhi? no Frances McDormand for you-know-what? In the trash the mag goes.

― peteparker04, Sunday, 2 April 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

no ben kingsly for gandhi?

I think they covered the high-school filmstrip-style perfs with Denzel and Jamie. (Kingsley's best film perf might be Betrayal.) For Clint, I'd take White Hunter, Black Heart.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 April 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

13. Katharine Hepburn as Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"

There are about eight Hepburn performances I'd select before that one, even though it's by far the best of her Oscar-winning perfs.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

07. Dustin Hoffman as "Ratso" Rizzo, "Midnight Cowboy"

For fuck's sake. What about Tootsie?!

59. Catherine Deneuve as Severine Serizy, "Belle Du Jour"

Much better.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

01. Peter O'Toole as T. E. Lawrence, "Lawrence of Arabia"

This is undoubtedly correct, the rest is a seemingly random list.

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

"where is Peter Seller's Strangelove?"

I was thinking this too, but I saw the mag in the store the other day and saw what they did. There is a sidebar mini-list of multi-character performances which includes Sellers

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

much better performances -

steve mcqueen in papillion
richard e grant in withnail and i
jacques tati in mon oncle

― steve davids, Sunday, 9 April 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

22. Johnny Depp as Edward Scissorhands, "Edward Scissorhands"
ROFFLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Dadaismus, the Male Poster (dadaismu...), March 21st, 2006 11:27 AM.

OTM

― smokemon (eman), Sunday, 9 April 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

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