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I don't understand how people like Bush can be such fervrent zealous Christians and cause death and human suffering like the death penalty and wars that kill 20,000 civilians. I mean, given Bush is an imbecile, but he's not the only one of this type of Ironic Christian. Does this mean Christianity has proven to be a failure?

I think so!

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 1 April 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno. Would your family be a failure if one of your family members was a convicted criminal in jail?

She's been known to sleep on piles of dry leaves... (papa november), Saturday, 1 April 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

in a way, yes

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 1 April 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

You're taking a real risk by posting this here.

KJrunk, Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

If said family member were the leader of the free world, I'd certainly be terribly ashamed.

ALLAH FROG (Mingus Dew), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just playing devil's advocate

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

there is only one true path to salvation

http://www.facade.com/celebrity/photo/L_Ron_Hubbard.jpg

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

Jon Carroll
San Francisco Chronicle
Friday, April 8, 2005

The following is the first communique from a group calling itself Unitarian Jihad. It was sent to me at The Chronicle via an anonymous spam remailer. I have no idea whether other news organizations have received this communique, and, if so, why they have not chosen to print it. Perhaps they fear starting a panic. I feel strongly that the truth, no matter how alarming, trivial or disgusting, must always be told. I am pleased to report that the words below are at least not disgusting:

Greetings to the Imprisoned Citizens of the United States. We are Unitarian Jihad. There is only God, unless there is more than one God. The vote of our God subcommittee is 10-8 in favor of one God, with two abstentions. Brother Flaming Sword of Moderation noted the possibility of there being no God at all, and his objection was noted with love by the secretary.

Greetings to the Imprisoned Citizens of the United States! Too long has your attention been waylaid by the bright baubles of extremist thought. Too long have fundamentalist yahoos of all religions (except Buddhism -- 14-5 vote, no abstentions, fundamentalism subcommittee) made your head hurt. Too long have you been buffeted by angry people who think that God talks to them. You have a right to your moderation! You have the power to be calm! We will use the IED of truth to explode the SUV of dogmatic expression!

People of the United States, why is everyone yelling at you??? Whatever happened to ... you know, everything? Why is the news dominated by nutballs saying that the Ten Commandments have to be tattooed inside the eyelids of every American, or that Allah has told them to kill Americans in order to rid the world of Satan, or that Yahweh has instructed them to go live wherever they feel like, or that Shiva thinks bombing mosques is a great idea? Sister Immaculate Dagger of Peace notes for the record that we mean no disrespect to Jews, Muslims, Christians or Hindus. Referred back to the committee of the whole for further discussion.

We are Unitarian Jihad. We are everywhere. We have not been born again, nor have we sworn a blood oath. We do not think that God cares what we read, what we eat or whom we sleep with. Brother Neutron Bomb of Serenity notes for the record that he does not have a moral code but is nevertheless a good person, and Unexalted Leader Garrote of Forgiveness stipulates that Brother Neutron Bomb of Serenity is a good person, and this is to be reflected in the minutes.

Beware! Unless you people shut up and begin acting like grown-ups with brains enough to understand the difference between political belief and personal faith, the Unitarian Jihad will begin a series of terrorist-like actions. We will take over television studios, kidnap so-called commentators and broadcast calm, well-reasoned discussions of the issues of the day. We will not try for "balance" by hiring fruitcakes; we will try for balance by hiring non-ideologues who have carefully thought through the issues.

We are Unitarian Jihad. We will appear in public places and require people to shake hands with each other. (Sister Hand Grenade of Love suggested that we institute a terror regime of mandatory hugging, but her motion was not formally introduced because of lack of a quorum.) We will require all lobbyists, spokesmen and campaign managers to dress like trout in public. Televangelists will be forced to take jobs as Xerox repair specialists. Demagogues of all stripes will be required to read Proust out loud in prisons.

We are Unitarian Jihad, and our motto is: "Sincerity is not enough." We have heard from enough sincere people to last a lifetime already. Just because you believe it's true doesn't make it true. Just because your motives are pure doesn't mean you are not doing harm. Get a dog, or comfort someone in a nursing home, or just feed the birds in the park. Play basketball. Lighten up. The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.

Brother Gatling Gun of Patience notes that he's pretty sure the world is out to get him because everyone laughs when he says he is a Unitarian. There were murmurs of assent around the room, and someone suggested that we buy some Congress members and really stick it to the Baptists. But this was deemed against Revolutionary Principles, and Brother Gatling Gun of Patience was remanded to the Sunday Flowers and Banners committee.

People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

Heh. I know some unitarians, that sounds about right :)

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

How many premature April Fools threads were there on ILX this year?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

'The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.' - G K Chesterton

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

Does this mean Christianity has proven to be a failure?

You're assuming that Christian doctrine, from day one, has/had definite political "goals," and I'm not sure that's the case.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there's always been an element of "being cool about killing other people" in Christianity.

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

see also: judaism, hinduism, islamism.

remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

One thing is certain. Christ could fly. If you deny this, I don't understand.

Mayb eJesus is looking down from ehaven thinking "Uh oh! Looks like SOMEBODY needs a refresher course!"

The worst part of any religion is the dietary restrictions

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 2 April 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

What are the Christian dietary restrictions? Thou shalt not open thine Easter eggs before the Sunday?

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Sunday, 2 April 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

"I don't understand how people like Bush can be such fervrent zealous Christians and..."

Bush is not religious. Right or wrong, that should be obvious.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Sunday, 2 April 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

He is religious. I assume he believes in the God he frequently invokes. He goes to church. He is religious. Coming up with some funny definition of religious that excludes everybody whose behaviour is inconsistent with the supposed tenets of their faith would leave very few "religious" people in the world.

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Sunday, 2 April 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well you can't eat meat on Fridays and you can't eat out

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 2 April 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

you can't eat out

What? No oral sex? WTF! ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 2 April 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

They dropped the no meat on Fridays thing years ago, innit?

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Sunday, 2 April 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

Correct, oral sex is unholy before Christ's blazing eye

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 2 April 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

"The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.' - G K Chesterton"

chesterton otm. most people are too lazy and petty to live as christ taught. it's easier to just kill people. it's a cliche, but christ would barf if he saw what when on in his name.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

mencken:


"Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love."

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

more cracking mencken:


http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/mencken.htm

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Correct, oral sex is unholy before Christ's blazing eye

well, you aren't supposed to eat "meat" on friday ... but eating "fish" IS ok!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 2 April 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

He is religious. I assume he believes in the God he frequently invokes. He goes to church. He is religious. Coming up with some funny definition of religious that excludes everybody whose behaviour is inconsistent with the supposed tenets of their faith would leave very few "religious" people in the world.
-- Mystic Handyman (noodle_vagu...), April 2nd, 2006.

Yup, and that's why the hypocrisy of it all drives me completely fuckin' mental. If Bush was a Christian he would've forgiven Saddam wouldn't he?

dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, 2 April 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, given Bush is an imbecile, but he's not the only one of this type of Ironic Christian.

Irony is not the same thing as hypocrisy.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 2 April 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/umys/038/2006/Just%20War%20military%20chaplain.jpg

Now THAT's irony. *jazz hands*

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Sunday, 2 April 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4606/images/05-chaplain.jpg

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Sunday, 2 April 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

otoh, "What part of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' don't you understand?

dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, 2 April 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

and wars that kill 20,000 civilians

it's more like 100,000

a.b. (alanbanana), Sunday, 2 April 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Very many years ago, the Bolivians were starving so,
They had rats as big as ponies there. They asked the Pope
To declare them fish.

We thank the Pope for granting us this wish.
When Friday comes, we'll all call rats fish.
We catch them with a net, kill with the gun.
We'll call it all forgotten when we're done.

They didn't look like rats at all, but like some horrendous horse doll.
Still they had to eat this thing.
In gratitude, the Pope-they kissed his ring.

We'll call it all forgotten when we're done.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 2 April 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

"He is religious. I assume he believes in the God he frequently invokes. He goes to church. He is religious. Coming up with some funny definition of religious that excludes everybody whose behaviour is inconsistent with the supposed tenets of their faith would leave very few "religious" people in the world."

Um, I think it says in the Bible that there are very few religious people in the world. This fact should be no surprise. Why on earth would you assume he believes in God? Do you then think that all the evangelists on television are saints? Going to church is just better public relations than not going. I'm not using some "funny" definition, just the good old literal one. Unless of course by "religious" you just mean that he is aware of god, and doesn't care... then Satan is religious as well.


Just for the record, I'm the the most religious person in the world, but I just hate hypocrisy more than anything else I think.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! I think that should read "I'm NOT the most religious..."

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Correct, oral sex is unholy before Christ's blazing eye

I dont much care for the idea of eating out Christs blazing eye myself, thanks all the same.

Traycer Foot (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

i am SO not going to say what that last post prompts me to say, lest i be damned to hell.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

Wait - it's Christ, not Sauron! I forgot

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oh go on Tad, you know you want to.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)


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