· Usage increased to 25 tablets a day at peak· Memory problems and paranoia may be lasting
David McCandlessTuesday April 4, 2006The Guardian
Doctors from London University have revealed details of what they believe is the largest amount of ecstasy ever consumed by a single person. Consultants from the addiction centre at St George's Medical School, London, have published a case report of a British man estimated to have taken around 40,000 pills of MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, over nine years. The heaviest previous lifetime intake on record is 2,000 pills.
Though the man, who is now 37, stopped taking the drug seven years ago, he still suffers from severe physical and mental health side-effects, including extreme memory problems, paranoia, hallucinations and depression. He also suffers from painful muscle rigidity around his neck and jaw which often prevents him from opening his mouth. The doctors believe many of these symptoms may be permanent.
The man, known as Mr A in the report in the scientific journal Psychosomatics, started using ecstasy at 21. For the first two years his use was an average of five pills per weekend. Gradually this escalated until he was taking around three and a half pills a day. At the peak, the man was taking an estimated 25 pills every day for four years. After several severe collapses at parties, Mr A decided to stop taking ecstasy. For several months, he still felt he was under the influence of the drug, despite being bedridden.
Hallucinations
His condition deteriorated and he began to experience recurrent tunnel vision and other problems including hallucinations, paranoia and muscle rigidity. "He came to us after deciding that he couldn't go on any more," said Dr Christos Kouimtsidis, the consultant psychiatrist at St George's Medical School in Tooting who treated him for five months. "He was having trouble functioning in everyday life."
The doctors discovered that the man was suffering from severe short-term memory problems of a type usually only seen in lifetime alcoholics. But evaluating the full extent of his condition was difficult as his concentration and attention was so impaired he was unable to follow the simple tasks involved in the test.
"This was an exceptional case. His long- term memory was fine but he could not remember day to day things - the time, the day, what was in his supermarket trolley," said Dr Kouimtsidis. "More worryingly, he did not seem aware himself that he had these memory problems."
With no mental illness in his family and no prior psychiatric history, the doctors concluded that his unique condition was direct result of his intense ecstasy use.
"This is obviously an extreme case so we should not blow any observations out of proportion," says Dr Kouimtsidis. "But if this is what is happening to very heavy users, it might be an indication that daily use of ecstasy over a long period of time can lead to irreversible memory problems and other cognitive deficits."
For 10 years, MDMA has been suspected of causing these kinds of effects in heavy users. It is thought to be due to its disruption of the regulation of serotonin, a brain chemical believed to play a role in mood and memory. It remains unclear whether these effects are the result of permanent neurotoxic damage or just temporary reversible alterations in the brain.
A study today in a special MDMA issue of the British Journal of Psychopharmacology, suggests long-term side-effects may be temporary. The researchers from the University Of Louisiana could find no significant relationship between depression and recreational ecstasy use.
In the case of Mr A, a structural MRI brain scan failed to show any obvious damage or atrophy in his brain. However, these results, says Dr Kouimtsidis, are difficult to interpret. "A scan of this type is not sensitive enough," he said.
Such limitations in brain scanning technology, along with ethical and legal barriers to giving MDMA to human test subjects, have limited direct observation of the drug's effects in humans.
Instead, scientists have had to use recreational drug users as subjects in their studies. Conclusions from this are often flawed because few, if any, drugs users use ecstasy in isolation.
Cannabis user
Mr A was also a heavy cannabis user, and when he was encouraged to decrease his use, his paranoia and hallucinations disappeared and his anxiety abated. But his memory and concentration problems remained, leading the doctors to suspect that these may be permanent disabilities.
When he was admitted to a specialist brain injury unit and put on anti-psychotic medication, he did start to show some improvement. "Unfortunately, he discharged himself before we were able to complete the assessment," says Dr Kouimtsidis. "We continued to support him. But he started to use cannabis again and he dropped out. We tried to re-engage him but we lost him about a year ago."
The Guardian made several attempts to find the man without success.
Effects of ecstasy
MDMA is one the most intensely studied recreational drugs in history. But despite thousands of research papers and studies, scientific evidence on the side-effects remains inconclusive.
Death by overdose
Undoubtedly, large amounts of ecstasy can lead to over-heating which in turn, in rare cases, can trigger fatal heat stroke. Many factors contribute: number and strength of pills taken, environment, alcohol-consumption, body weight - but women seem more at risk. The bulk of ecstasy-related deaths around the world have been young women.
Water-poisoning
Panicking users, fearing they are overdosing, drink too much water and provoke hyponaetraemia (water-poisoning). Leah Betts died after drinking 14 pints in just 90 minutes. The recommended amount of water to drink per hour is one pint.
Toxic reactions
Much of the reports of toxic reactions are muddled with overdose or water-poisoning deaths. There is no clear evidence that some people suffer allergic reactions to ecstasy. However, around 10% of Western users do lack a key liver enzyme CYP2D6 needed to break down MDMA. This may make them more sensitive to the effects and more prone to accidental overdose.
Depression
Many weekend users report a mid-week mood dip. This is suspected to be related MDMA's effect on serotonin, but hard evidence is lacking. In heavy users, dips can turn to crashes and depression. However studies suggest this effect reverses after a 2-3 month abstinence.
Positive effects
Users still claim "long lasting improvements in self-awareness, self-esteem, openness and insight into personal problems", reports the study from the University Of Louisiana. In the US, research continues into the use of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy to treat Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Special reportDrugs in Britain
Net notes10.07.2002: Cannabis
Useful linksTransform Drug Policy Foundationtalktofrank.comDrugScopeCross-government national drug strategy websiteRelease
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)
― Traycer Foot (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce is not a guy! (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:26 (twenty years ago)
So be careful out there, kids: this guy's an extreme case, but you could be doing similar damage even with your casual, moderate, "everyone's doing it" DAILY USE OF ECSTASY OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:52 (twenty years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:55 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce is not a guy! (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:10 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce is not a guy! (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:11 (twenty years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:15 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:18 (twenty years ago)
And of course we all casually take eccies EVERY DAY wtf.
I don't think that's what the implication was at all.
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:21 (twenty years ago)
I could have worded my post better, I meant "casually" is not "every day" when it comes to E (as Nabisco also pointed out was absurd). I was just agreeing it was silly. Geezum.
― Trayce is not a guy! (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:27 (twenty years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce is not a guy! (trayce), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:30 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:30 (twenty years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:31 (twenty years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:43 (twenty years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:48 (twenty years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:17 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 07:29 (twenty years ago)
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:20 (twenty years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:23 (twenty years ago)
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:23 (twenty years ago)
haha whenever i read american papers the over-abundance of commas ALWAYS gets to me after a while! i don't think there needs to be a comma there at all, i mean yeah there'd be a small pause for breath if you were speaking but on paper it looks less cluttered and still makes perfect sense without it.
um, the story, haha. 'e's ebeneezer goode!
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:28 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:30 (twenty years ago)
― Real RJGs Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:32 (twenty years ago)
― a:mazing, randy. (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:37 (twenty years ago)
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:41 (twenty years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 08:49 (twenty years ago)
Not eating?
"He was having trouble functioning in everyday life."
Which somehow implies that while he was necking 25 yokes a day and smoking a load of spliff, he was doing just fine.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 09:39 (twenty years ago)
1) If he managed to take 40,000 pills without just keeling over at any point, what does this mean for anti-drug spoisports who are always going on about how ecstasy can KILL YOU at any moment (just like it nearly did to Andi in Dawson's Creek)?
2) If he'd eaten 25 chip butties every day for nine years he'd have died of heart failure by now, or at the very least be grossly overweight and probably diabetic. What does this tell us about long-term use of chip butties?
3) Will the Daily "banning smoking in pubs is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAAAAAD" Mail choose either of these angles? No, probably not.
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:25 (twenty years ago)
"Our hero!"
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:27 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:34 (twenty years ago)
Lightweight.
― Keith Richards (Hello Sunshine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 12:58 (twenty years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:21 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)
― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:30 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:30 (twenty years ago)
Maybe he tattooed "give no credit" on his hands (with not a thought for the dangerous Memento-esque consequences).
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:32 (twenty years ago)
― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)
Here comes the science bit:If a normal consumer's comedown happens around tuesday/wednesday after the weekend, Mr E.'s crash must have happened in the third, fourth and fifth years after he stopped taking them. Dark times.
― Joe Dunthorne (JoseMaria), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)
― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)
― Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)
― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)
― Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)
what the fuck is in these pills?
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)
whats a twat?
― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)
i remember the whole scene just became this "guess how many pills *I* took last night!!" bollocks. yeah? but whatever happened to the fucking 'love'.
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― andy, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/Ibiza.jpg
― Mystic Handyman (noodle vague), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)
I'm never sure about the "Pills are full of shit these days" line, I think it's just the law of diminising returns thing. When I started taking them again a couple of year ago (after a five year break), the first one was just as intense a rush as my first ever pill in the early nineties.
This, or course, is quite scary in a way as it shows that if the drug works by using all my serotonin stores up, then I definitely have lower levels now than after abstaining.
Anyway, speaking of Mr "See". He talks about his own Ecstasy use here:
http://bb.4four.org/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=11151
Quote:
I took my 1st E 20 years ago in 1986 by '88 i was on 4 per weekend. In '89 this more than doubled to about 10 per weekend & was probably an average per week until i started spending Septembers / Summers in Ibiza like 7 years ago. during these 4 month summer periods we could double it again to 20 per week. I stopped doing E on my 40th on January 2.The math: lets say 500 per year which is on avarage 10 per week because there would be weeks i wouldn't take any but other i'd take more than 20. That's over 10,000 Es.I suffer no side effects that i know about.My short term memory is fine.I don't get depressed for no reason.Maybe i'm a special case but i have no problem that i know about E releted or otherwise.That's my story with regard E but we're all individuals & i don't recomend anyone else do that anount of such a long period of time unless you take 5HTP on a regular basis & use anti oxidents to help flush it through without putting to much stress on the organs.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― A Van That's Loaded With Weapons (noodle vague), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)
I think andy means the feelings of empathy are artificial, not the chemicals.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)
(And actually, most beer doesn't have much additives at all, they're not really needed. Wine and spirits as well. I worked in a winery and I do recall talk about a product called iniglass [made from sturgeon's guts] that was used as a clarifying agent by some brewers, but I don't think it's that common.)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)
― Nadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)
Comic genius.
― mikedup, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)
― Nadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)
Splitting hairs hear, but MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine) is not a methamphetamine (Crystal Meth), despite the name.
You're not the only one to get them confused, however. A couple of years ago some researchers did a lot of MDMA research on Rats, only for someone to point out - after all their expensive research had been finalised - that they had been giving them Methamphetamine.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)
"hello, this is the guardian. are you the man who took 40,000 Es and can't even remember his own fucking name?"
"er ..."
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)
This doesn't make sense. Why would you say that his use escalated until he was taking 3.5 pills per day, and then in the next sentence say that he was taking 25 pills a day for four years? That's like saying "When I was born I was 1 foot tall, and I continued growing until I was 2 foot tall. I'm now 5 foot 6." I think they meant to say it was estimated that he was taking 25 pills every week (which is roughly 3.5 x 7) for four years. 25 pills x 52 weeks x 4 years = 5,200 pills. 25 pills x 365 days x 4 years = 36,500 pills. Either they've got the maths wrong, or the English wrong.
I think he was probably taking about 25 pills a week, which would be an average of 3.5 a day, but he was probably doing at least 20 at the weekend and just a few cheeky halves in the week. That would answer the questions upthread about lack of effect after relentless use / non-addictive nature / how did he hold down a job. Then either an innumerate journalist, or a doctor trusting the word of a confused and vague man, has suddenly turned that into a 40,000-pill habit.
― Teh HoBBler (the pirate king), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)
― e, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― Teh HoBBler (the pirate king), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)
aww...sweet
― sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)
...which would tend to limit any valid conclusions one might draw about MDMA abuse from this case, wouldn't it?
Not that I have ever taken MDMA, but I have lived through the demonization of a great many recreational drugs and this seems to fit the profile of sensationalized reporting and improperly-drawn conclusions like a hand in a glove.
Any drug that has a pharmacological effect is also powerful enough to have undesirable side effects when overused or overdosed. (Aspirin has killed more people than anyone cares to admit.) Therefore, it is reasonable to assume MDMA is also capable of some nasty effects. So, let's all get hysterical about it, ok?
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)
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