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now the official way to do it

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

That page is one of the most grumpy, teethgrindingly ungracious things I've ever seen released by a big corporation.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:44 (twenty years ago)

something inside my soul has died. again.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

do you mean: "Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."

BUT IT'S TRUE ;-)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

fundamentally: why the fuck would anyone want to do this?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

hey if you have to use windows (for whatever degrading reason) nice hardware would be some sort of compensation.

amirite?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Now all I need is an Intel-based PowerMac tower.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

That page is one of the most grumpy, teethgrindingly ungracious things I've ever seen released by a big corporation.

Reading it gave me a Corporate Smugness overdose that made my eyes water.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

What are you guys talking about? All I see is a page showing how to install Windows onto a Mac. Am I missing something here? FWIW, there's an article in today's NY Times talking about the hacky ways to do this; it looks like it's been pulled from the web site now that it's been made totally obsolete.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

x-post to alan: well ... maybe. but ... nah. i'm still not convinced.

i mean, do the majority of windows users, either at work or at home, actually know or care that much about the hardware (or, for that matter, the software)? will they really think, woah, this is what i've always dreamed of? no: they'll think, hmm, i see i can run all the programs i run now, only on a much more expensive box. why would i want to do that?

i guess it might work as a way of reassuring switherers: "look, of course it's compatible ... it even runs windows!" but even then: surely a better strategy is just hammering home the cross-platform compatibility?

don't get me wrong: it's a reasonable enough idea for an intel mac to be able to dual-boot windows. it just makes me want to rip out my spleen with my bare hands, that's all. that said: running windows in a separate window in X ... that would be cool ... well, cool-ish ...

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

I hoped this was a poorly-spelled thread about Muskox Bootcamp, my new kiss & tell memoirs.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

surely not far off - i can't see any real reason it can't be a separate process, esp as the BIOS stuff is being rigged somehow, so the hardware "environment" isn't an issue

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Well there are rumours of virtualisation in Leapord.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Or just wait for VMware to support it (do they already?)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

VMWare is SLOW compared to real host OS virtualization support.

― Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

argh, the nytimes article about this is TERRIBLE:

Once the installation is complete, users can select which operating system, Apple or Windows, they want to use each time they start the computer

APPLE OR MICROSOFT
or
MAC OS X OR WINDOWS

― Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

if it runs windows does that mean it'll run x86 linux?

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

It has been running x86 Linux for quite a while.

― Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

pointless

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

unfunny

― Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

but true.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

they're never funny. but it's better without the last panel

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

fundamentally: why the fuck would anyone want to do this?

Couple of reasons:
1) For the people who use Macs 95% of the time but have to use Windows for one specific task. Last year I worked at a place where the data interchange standards were terrible... One of the processors wrote their own non-standard encrypted file transfer app that was Windows-only. Another web site used IE-only ASP. Another used Windows-only VPN software, etc. etc.
2) Microsoft owns Virtual PC. Bundling BootCamp into the next OS is a moderate-level way for Apple to go "nyah nyah"
3) Believe it or not, in my consulting travels I still encounter people (end users AND corporate IT guys) who ask me if Macs can run Windows.

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

1) okay, yeh: it's still a tiny market, i imagine, but point taken.

2) hahahahah!

3) NO WAI! okay, fair 'nuff.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Woot, I can use Mac OS X for all my day to day productivity apps and for the rare occasions I need to demo or test the windows software my company produces boot to the other OS, still waiting for host OS virtualisation support (and a fix to the way mail.app handles exchange public folders).

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

GAMES

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure this is step one to virtualization. I wonder if they'll have a "magic" Samba server running on the OS X instance to let files in X be visible in Windows.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

this solidifies it: when I need to buy a computer again, i will buy a Mac.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

it's amazing that people are seeing this as a negative thing.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, it *might* serve as a minor disincentive for companies to produce native apps.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Hey, it means I can cut two computers down to one on my desk at work and the Core Duo Mac mini is way better than the pre HT P4 desktop sitting next to it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

will there be weird ass driver problems, though? will windows xp recognize the superdrives and stuff?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

apple seems to have sorted driver issues for weird ass shit (the eject key for example, bluetooth keyboard drivers don't appear to be sorted though)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

it's windows having drivers for apple hardware that I'm worried about though

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

it's amazing that people are seeing this as a negative thing.

I was gonna say!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Apple has shipped Windows drivers for the Mighty Mouse before ;)

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

What's so weird about an eject key?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

ever see one on a pc keyboard?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

it's amazing that people are seeing this as a negative thing.

thirding or whatever.

also, jw otm re: GAMES. That alone might pull in the dudes that like OS X for daily productivity/music/UNIX, but want Windows for sweet games.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

So there's no way this is gonna work on a pre-Intel Powerook right?

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

NO.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

You still have to use Virtual PC on PowerPC machines.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

My decision to wait on my new computer gets better all the time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

ever see one on a pc keyboard?

Yes.

This keyboard I'm using doesn't have one, but I could set up an "eject" shortcut, if I felt like it.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

"powerook"!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

anyway yeah this is great news. because GAMES. and whatever other weirdo apps remain windows-only. and because it might also convince my folx to finally go mac.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I fail to see how this is in any way a bad thing, seeing as a) I run both platforms daily and b) an Intel Mac Mini will be replacing my Mac G4 in a few months, and it'll smoke the performance I'm getting right now.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Darwine looks attractive for some of those "specific apps" I was talking about.

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm surpised Apple isn't paying to try to get a working version of Wine going... It'll never be a 100% solution like a virtualized OS, but it'd be way lighter weight.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

One thing occurs to me with respec' to games: what is the status of DirectX running on Intel-Mac-Windows boxes? Presumably it's the same NVIDIA/ATI drivers?

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

BeOS X mothfuckerss

― smokemon (eman), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

You know who likes Boot Camp? Wall Street...

AAPL up 6.04 today.

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

This is about the only thing that would make me want to buy a mac again.

I should be able to afford one again in about five years.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)

The Register sees doom for OS X. I think they're being a bit pessimistic and/or anti-Mac.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 08:10 (twenty years ago)

July 2007:Microsoft announces the general availability of Windows Vista.

Thus the rest of the timeline is fucked

(+5, Funny)

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Hah.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

First virualization solution for intel macs. I don't think they support for native 3D graphics yet, but assumming this works as advertised it looks like it could be a good first step towards running OSX and Windows on the same machine without needing to reboot.

― Joe Kavalier, Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:28 (twenty years ago)

The Register is pretty shit in my opinion. A lot of the stories eeem geared to piss off a huge set of the nerd population so they post it on their blogs and give the Register AD MONEY

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Especially the articles by Orlowski.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

so is somebody gonna fix it now so that you can boot osx on any old pc?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

orlowski is cranky and i wuv him

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

so is somebody gonna fix it now so that you can boot osx on any old pc?
-- s1ocki (slytus...) (webmail), April 6th, 2006 11:51 AM. (slutsky) (later) (link)

People have been doing this for months: http://www.osx86project.org/

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

what will this mean for macs though? if you can run osx on a much cheaper pc will this be a major disincentive to buy actual mac computers?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

APPLE IS NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTING RUNNING OSX ON BEIGEBOXES. BOOTCAMP HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THAT.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah but regardless of official support if you could have the benefits of OSX with the cheapness of a generic PC i'm sure it would tempt a lot of people

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

THE BENEFITS OF OSX ARE MAINLY NOT HAVING TO HAVE DRIVERS FOR SHITE HARDWARE. INTEGRATION, INTEGRATION, INTEGRATION

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

i have done this, and fyi it's brilliant. my mac runs windows better than my dell.

― Pablo (Pablo A), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

and now for XP virtualization, rather than dual-boot:
http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 April 2006 00:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised I haven't heard any rumors about a SECRET APPLE TEAM of programmers working on a fork of WINE. It's GPL or even BSD-licensed, innit? If so, they could have a secret group working on a fork of the project like they did WebCore/khtml.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 10 April 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

does anyone know that name of the program that switches off all the background mac processes in bootcamp? i had it on my mac (using xp via bootcamp) before it died but can't remember the name of it now!

― NI, Friday, 28 February 2014 00:49 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

in case this affects anyone now or in the future, it's a program called: Boot CampED. msg me if you need it

― NI, Sunday, 16 March 2014 03:00 (twelve years ago)

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