I HATE PEOPLE WHO HATE APPLE

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Mutilate your meanings so it's easy to deny...

(That phrasing being a shoutout to Ned, in a lefthanded way.)

― Tres Laideez, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

fuck you quicktime wants to install itself in my system tray and then refuses to delete. I WILL BURN DOWN YOUR STORES MFUCKKER

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

pretty ballsy to say that on this thread, Good Dog

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

i am drunk.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

please sober people, steer me away from trouble

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Too late! On this thread, we hate people like you.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mean all that rude stuff I posted.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mean all that rude stuff I posted.

i have a black turtleneck.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah seriously, i went into the Tokyo Apple store and it was like a bunch of wankers all nervously eyeing each other up. I'm taling about the customers. Then my gf wanted to buy a set of $300 speakers (which sound crap but look good) And the staff were all snooty and gilb! Gimme grandma-pleb Win XP

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

go on make fun of the drunk person

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha. *pokes with stick*

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck? that is outrageous shit

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

*pees*

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer, wierdly, that sobered me up. thx

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

so anyway what is the point of this thread? I don't contribute much to ILE so if a regular could summarize that'd be handy.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I find a refreshing drink usually sobers me up too.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

BUT IT WAS MADE SPECIAL BY YOU TAKING PICTURES, young dr j

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I HATE PEOPLE WHO TREAT OS's LIKE BLACK OR WHITE ISSUES OR HAVE NEVER WORKED WITH BOTH AT LEAST TO SOME CAPACITY OF A MINOR PROJECT! (which is not something anyone can do easily granted, but still.. jesus, all OS's suck people. Some people hate broccoli. Some people hate collard greens. LET'S HAVE A FUCKING WAR!)

― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 6 April 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i am sober now. let's talk reasonably about this.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 7 April 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

I just find Macs confusing because I'm used to PC's. And when I use a Mac there's no right-click button, without which I'm pretty lost. And with a Mac you have to think different and I have a hard time with that.

― WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot (unclejessjess), Friday, 7 April 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

wait a second this is the best thread ever.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 7 April 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

honeymoon over?

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Monday, 10 April 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like broccoli for heavy development and collard greens for recording. I have no use for apples.

But I'm totally up for a war.

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

more like steve blowjobs lol

― smokemon (eman), Monday, 10 April 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hi, my one or two year old iBook G4 is not happy lately. It makes a whirring noise that doesn't sound good. Sometimes it stops working in the middle of a task (Internet or iTunes) and just whirs and whirs. It's hard to even turn it off when it does this. Then, sometimes when I restart it, it just whirs and whirs and whirs with the little circle but nothing every happens, So I turn it off and start again. Um, it never tells me what the problem is or what I should do. Help? Time to cash in the Apple Care?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

try this, Mary -

restart and hold down Apple-S as it restarts.

wait for scary code to scroll onto screen.

type /sbin/fsck -fy

and hit Enter. this will look through your hard drive and fix any problems it finds. if it finds problems and fixes them, type the above again when it's done just to make sure. when you're done with that, type "reboot"

you can also try repairing permissions on your hard drive, by using "disk utility," which is found in the "utilities" folder of your applications folder

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Tracer. I did that (twice) and it said The Volume Macintosh HD appears to be OK. It started up fine again but it still sounds achingly whirry.

I'll see if I can plug along for away before investigating "disk utiility."

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

well that's good news! now that you've dipped your toe into the mystical waters of the command line I think you'll find the disk utility almost disappointingly pedestrian. it's very easy. it's in the utilities folder. just start it, and click "repair permissions." that might not help, but then again, it might.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

That is a bad solution tracer

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

OK, it says Permission Repair Complete. Thank you, Tracer!

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

man for the days of good old OS 9, when one could while away an afternoon removing half the extensions folder, restarting, putting back half of that half, restarting, putting back half of THAT half, etc.

xpost whatever jon

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

DOES FSCK OFFER ANYTHING OVER DISK UTILITY OTHER THAN CONFUSING PEOPLE?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Sure: it was fun!

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

you can boot straight off your hard drive instead of from a misplaced install CD or whatever, i consider that a huge advantage

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it can repair the boot volume... good point, but crappy to have to explain over the phone

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

never apologize, never explain

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Join the marines?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

I don't suppose you would have any thoughts or advice on my plight, Dr. J?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

APPLEJACK

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they just prefer Moses?

― Hard like armour, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Mary, it sounds like your hard drive may be on its last legs. Backup important data now; burn it to cds or get an external drive. If you get an external drive with firewire you should be able to use RsyncX to copy the entire drive and boot up from that by holding down the Option key at startup. If the whirring is much diminished then it probably was the hard drive and you can get that replaced without too much trouble and then use RsyncX to copy eveything back.

Alternatively it could just be a fan or optical drive, in any case a backup is not a bad plan.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

APPLEJACK

I WAS GONNA SAY.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Ed. I am at the Genius Bar waiting for a professional opinion. Perhaps they can also advise me on an external hard-drive purchase.

I'm hoping they just do the typical replace the whole thing because it's easier for them but maybe they only do that when you drown your computer, not when you lose it through no fault of your own.

Any opinions on why iTunes seems to be the real dealbreaker here?

OK, gonna get some mall shopping in before my appointment.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Any opinions on why iTunes seems to be the real dealbreaker here?

mp3s are big. if your disk is going to act dodgy on any particular location on disk, it is likely to be in your HUGE music collection

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ed, RsyncX seems a little nicer than CCC. Have you used both? What do you think?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Any opinions on why iTunes seems to be the real dealbreaker here?

How old is your iBook again? What version of the OS is it running?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ally, I would never ask you for Mac advice. Besides having a womb, you don't seem to be very good at getting Macs to work.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

OK, it worked perfectly once they reset the PRAM. Dude thinks the problem stems from too many folders on the desktop, whatever.

My iBook almost 2 years old. I think I'm running 10.3.4 or something. Dude told me to update to the newest itunes, and I was like I did that last night, Genius.

So, will the Lacie 80 GB external drive at $120 be sufficient for my needs. He showed me a really cute portable one but it is $$. Or do I need the Lacie extreme with 160 GB?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Get the extreme, it's faster and more reliable. They're all fairly portable, but yeah, the super-slim ones are really pricey for not much space plus they're real slow.

I'm very happy that PRAM was the problem?? Seems suspicious, though. I'd back everything up FO SHO and the moment it starts acting up again demand they fix it, since you're still under Apple Care.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

If you're just going to use it for backup, get the cheapest one bigger than your laptop's. Shouldn't need more than 80 gigs I think.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

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use command-tilde to go between windows within the same app

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, do British Macs still have the annoying fucked-up half-American keyboard (with @ as shift-2) that they did when I last looked at one?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

yeah ambrose, get 1 s1locki

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

i would be happy to switch between windows for you ambrose.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

The apple+tab on os X is about a thousand times better that windows' version

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

ok so i have to alt/apple tab between apps then command tilde to cycle thruy different windows? that sounds even more pointlessly complicated. its a 1000 times better than windows, but im unsure as to why?

FP: yes they do i think. that lampshade one does

ps i like macs! i just dont like stupid little things about macos x

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

apple-tab=command tab. alt-tab doesn't do anything.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

and yes, you have to do two different things to get two different results.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

use command-tilde to go between windows within the same app

Why was I never told this!

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

frankly, we didn't think you could handle it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

what's nice about apple-tab is that you can just flick it once to bring you back to the application your were previously working in - i use it this way probably 100 times a day

you can also use it to quit programs - hold down apple, tab to the program you want to quit, and hit "Q" while still holding down apple

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i love that function! so easy to shut down a bunch of apps in like 5 seconds

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

other times i just enjoy holding down cmd-tab and watching the selector box whizz through my applications. whee! i am father dougal.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

ok the latter sounds cool, i guess familiarity and the way i use my computer dictate my preference for cycling through windows rather than applications. my dream is for some genius way that means i can cycle through windows then cycle through tabs in a browser v v v easily. ie not alt tab then switch to ctrl page up/down

but i dont know shit, some dude tolkd me aboutpressing backspace to go "back" in a browser only the other day

isnt it ironic that with computers, a lot of time is spent developing better/more sophisitcated interfaces eg mouse, trackball, tom cruises wavy thing, and yet the most advanced users of computers, ie geeks, spend most of their time using the keyboard?

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

you can also use it to quit programs - hold down apple, tab to the program you want to quit, and hit "Q" while still holding down apple

Also, "H" to hide them.
Also, once that box is open you can release tab and hold apple and use the mouse to select.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I reset the PRAM. I reset the PMU. And all I have is a blank blue screen. Are there smarter people behind the shop geniuses at the store who can fix it?

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

shite. yeah, just take it in. time for them to fix their mess.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Also, "H" to hide them.
Also, once that box is open you can release tab and hold apple and use the mouse to select.

i didn't know about "H"!

the second tip is something i do all the time though, really useful.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I can't see that being useful myself. If you're going to use the mouse then you might as well just select the app from the dock.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Update: I took it it again today and told the dude that twice now the computer had blown half the power in my house. He didn't believe me and said that the computer shouldn't do that. He found a discrepency where the computer, while charged, is not listed as charging under the "dc in-board." He took computer for 1 week to send it away to have them replace the "dc in-board." Does this seem like a practical solution?

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like a good start, I'm still worried you disk is on its last legs though.

― Ed (dali), Saturday, 15 April 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

Real Player on mac is as annoying as the Windows version??

Isn't there a VLC codec, or Real Alternative equivalent, or a very very old version of RealPlayer that can be used instead?

Alt tab is about twice as good as it is on Windows, no more, certainly not 1000 times lol, only a zealot would.... never mind.

I was briefly regretting selling my iBook until I had to sort my sisters iPod out using iTunes this afternoon. Instantly remembered exactly why iTsucked.

― fandango (fandango), Saturday, 15 April 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

so maybe you guys can advise me: i'm going to buy a laptop for the first time in a long time... should i get an ibm or a mac?? which one has a better rep for not breaking down... things like sleekness, itunes, etc., are pretty irrelevant. or, i suppose, some other brand of pc, although i thought generally ibm's were more reliable than say toshiba or hp's.

― dave k, Saturday, 15 April 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

IBM DOESN'T MAKE LAPTOPS, LENOVO DOES, YOU FUCKING MORON

― PEDANTIC BITCH (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ugg... iTunes sucks nuttz and quicktime is scandalous

"I hate apple" is what i typed into google

Apple computers suck nutts to so eat it u paid 1500 bucks for some pos laptop now you have to convince yourself they are better than pcs i hate people like you fuck how does apple dominate mp3 players and make us all install quicktime and use the lamest ball sack music program ever iTunes dont you think they could have made it not as lame ballz

HATE ME

― pissed off monkey, Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

dave k, I would say buy a mac, especially as they now run windows, either in boot camp or virtualisation. Build quality is generally quite good and of course you get the best OS.

I've not used a post sale to Lenovo Think Pad, but they always were very solid computers, dull, but solid.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 April 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

Lenovo puts chinese government root kits on all their machines. Ask Tom.

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Apple's motherboards all have soldered-on app-aware cripplers which make it impossible to outperform south koreans in any version of Lineage and all Blizzard titles

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Also the taiwanese have a database containing all of our mothers' maiden names

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

is western digital really so bad, in general? i hear good things about the my book pro hd

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

plus its pretty ^_^

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

No trouble from the WD 300GB internal I put in about a year ago, knock wood.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

OMG APPLE-H!

― g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 20 January 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking this was going to be about "The Apple".

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCjatF_cRs

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

just what I needed, mullets and sequinned thongs

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'll bet it distracted you from any lingering iTunes/Finder issues!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/28/mac_hack/

― DG, Friday, 28 March 2008 14:33 (seventeen years ago)

The exploit involved getting an end user to click on a link

oh come on

― gff, Friday, 28 March 2008 14:37 (seventeen years ago)

These exploits work, which is why they're being used to push crap more and more.

"you can watch porn. tasty porn. but you have to click this button first." People are gullible.

― Forest Pines Mk2, Friday, 28 March 2008 17:26 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

I couldn't be happier right now to have had an older PowerBook G4 on hand when my server died yesterday morning. Not even in an interesting way; the power supply crapped out, the board got fried a bit, and whatever, it was a five year old E-Machine. Very sad, but who didn't see THAT coming? Anyway, after the efforts to resuscitate her had gone on long enough to have clearly become just desecrating the body, I dusted off the PowerBook, which I hadn't opened in a couple-few months because the backlight on the screen is dead. Common problem, I understand. I always meant to get it fixed, but no matter now. It's perfect. Plugged it into an external monitor long enough to turn on "remote desktop" and ssh access, transferred my backups over and had the whole thing up and running again in about 90 minutes, arguably more smoothly than before.

Hi, Apple. You're easy to use. Tip o' the hat.

― kenan, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 12:01 (seventeen years ago)

eight months pass...

― I seldom pass on tea now. (libcrypt), Friday, 27 March 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

spent the diff on more meth

― ice cr?m, Friday, 27 March 2009 18:32 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

i do

― the late great, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:36 (thirteen years ago)

apple blows apple chunks. pretty packages though.

― Vic Perry, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:46 (thirteen years ago)

OK let me get this right

i can open a document in pages

and i can write a cover letter for a job

and then i can call it "cover letter"

and then i can write all over it and cut parts out and change it for a different job

and then i can have the entire version history so i can go back and find bits that i used in the past w/o having to save multiple drafts

HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE FUCKING BOMB DOT COM I LOVE YOU APPLE

― the late great, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:56 (thirteen years ago)

i mean i don't hate people that hate apple

i just wanted to start a I <3 APPLE thread that's not "lust objects" or whatever

― the late great, Monday, 10 September 2012 21:57 (thirteen years ago)

good to see everyone stoked for windows 8
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:25 PM (11 months ago)

― DG, Monday, 10 September 2012 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

also:

ALL MY FILES is freaking brilliant! i don't have to organize anything ever again!

― the late great, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:14 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/ro7Xz.png

― 乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago)

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