I'm moving to NYC in 3 weeks!

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After 7 years out in Seattle, I'm moving to NY! (Or maybe NJ around Hoboken, I hear it's much cheaper than NYC.) I'm going to be working in midtown Manhattan, starting in a few weeks. Yikes. I grew up in NJ (Morristown), so I'm pretty familiar with the area, but I still don't know lots of stuff about NYC. Right now I'm unnerved about the prospect of packing up 7 years of junk into boxes & getting it all into a moving van- so far I made two trips to Goodwill, and foisted off lots of stuff on friends.

Where is the best place to get a salt bagel & cream cheese near midtown? Where should I live? (I have a dog, which kind of limits my apartment choices...) Advice, please!

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Wow, crazy! Will you be around Seattle on EMP weekend or will you have left by then?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I'm in Seattle until at least May 1st. (Possibly a little longer, since the actual date is going to be driven by the moving company.) EMP Pop Conference is around the 20th, right? We need to do a big FAP.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

'midtown' can describe a pretty big place - which part will you be working in?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

EMP pop weekend - the last weekend - the 27th-30th? I'm coming over from the dry side - yes, FAP!

― Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Lyra -- it's actually literally the last weekend before you move. Donut and I were talking about maybe having a get together on Sunday night the 30th after EMP winds down -- if you like, shall we have that be your farewell to Seattle FAP? :-) (Not that there won't be other FAPs during said event, of course! And yay Jaq!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

hi lyra! you're one of my favorite posters that i've never actually met. hopefully we'll get to hang out before we switch coasts.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

'midtown' can describe a pretty big place - which part will you be working in?

40th & Broadway.

Donut and I were talking about maybe having a get together on Sunday night the 30th after EMP winds down
Yeah, definiately! It will be sad, but it seems like lots of ILXors come through NYC, so hopefully I'll see folks out there when they visit.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

JBR, where are you moving to out here? Did I miss the posts on that??

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Hey Ned keep teh Portland contingent in the loop! I can rent one car if necessary to get to Seattle for FAP.

Also, I didn't know JBR was moving either. And here I am thinking of possibly moving back to the BKLYN in a year or two....

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

hey me too so if you know of good jobs or apartments that you don't want, let me know!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

40th & bway is theoretically convenient to anywhere. hoboken is certainly a workable option. i'd strongly consider northern chelsea, say around 27th st, or east towards madison square, as these would be walkable, and also relatively accessible to downtown and brooklyn. clinton (hell's kitchen, if you must) around 9th or 10th ave at 44th st or the several blocks north is another convenient, perhaps less attractive, option. personally, i like the upper upper west side - around broadway between 96th and 110th, and also morningside heights - but these wouldn't be good choices for someone who wants to spend any serious amount of time downtown.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

JBR, where are you moving to out here? Did I miss the posts on that??

i'm starting a master's program at USC in august. i might move out there in july though because i'm a little sick of new york.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

boo.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

(congrats, tho)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

i've earned it. (xpost)

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I can rent one car if necessary to get to Seattle for FAP.

Cool, keep an eye out for inevitable threads on the matter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

move to brooklyn, lyra.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

gabbneb's advice is sound, esp. re: chelsea and hell's kitchen. also re: UWS and Morningside Heights. My experience was always that, relatively speaking, trips to the villages/downtown always seemed inconvenient, and vice-versa for getting people to come up to where you lived. a major plus for morningside height is the big fairway market on 125th (127th?). best grocery shopping in the manhattan.

a very practical way to look at it is to pull out a subway map, find the nearest stop to your office and then trace the relevant lines. what you want is to NOT have to change trains.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

clinton (hell's kitchen, if you must) around 9th or 10th ave at 44th st or the several blocks north is another convenient, perhaps less attractive, option

Ha ha ha, that's exactly where I lived when I lived in Manhattan! 10th Ave b/t 44th and 45th. Right across the street from the bigass Hess gas station. In fact somehow I slept with the insanely bright light from that place streaming right into my bedroom window powerfully enough to go through even the most opaque of curtains.

I strongly preferred living in Brooklyn, but then I worked from home so distance from specific train lines meant nothing to me so long as there was some train I could use when I needed to go somewhere.

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

what you want is to NOT have to change trains.

More than once

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

so obviously this thread is only for rich people?

― willie loman, Monday, 10 April 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

ilx is for rich people, you should know that by now.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

bling bling

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

with all our ipod problems and whatnot

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

which $300 jeans should i buy today

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

cocaine blah blah vice magazine blah blah gawker.com

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I moved to Seattle and Portland just to slum it up for a bit.

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

I moved to Seattle and Portland just to slum it up for a bit.

=)

I don't know about living in Manhattan- I'd rather live somewhere cheaper & take a train or subway to work. And from looking online, I'm finding more dog friendly apartments in NJ than in NYC. I have cousins who live on Staten Island, though, so that could be an option, although I think that might be a crappy commute.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

no, don't move to staten island, unless you're right near the ferry.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Staten Island: MORANLAND (north)

XPOST

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

the commute would be longer, but it sounds like Brooklyn is for you

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Getting home from Staten Island is a dud unless you don't keep late-night hours and will have a quiet home life in the isl on the weekends. My co-workers who live there never come out with us after work. Brooklyn: highly recommend!

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

though in NJ, you might be closer to water

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah, if you live in staten island you will never see your brooklyn/manhattan friends EVER AGAIN. plus, it's just a wasteland of mini-malls and russian mafia wives and guido republicans.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

but remember that while the manhattan average will be more expensive than outside manhattan, every area will have a wide variation in price - the type of housing may be more relevant than the neighborhood it's in

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

the ferry is just as slow at any hour. it is just worse if you are a drunk and just wanna go home

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

where in Seattle do you live?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

If you live in Hoboken or Jersey City, you can take the PATH which stops only a few blocks from 40th and Broadway.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

or doesnt the 7 train go to like LIC and sunnyside?

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

yes.

so obviously this thread is only for rich people?

snark, snark. look, if you're moving into NY and you know where your office is -- and especially when it's close to practically every subway line -- it's entirely possible to choose housing so that you don't have to change trains. it's certainly much easier than finding someplace within walking distance. (notice i didn't say how long the ride would be.) that's certainly how i would do it.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Yep, phil. Woodside, too. I haven't been there in a couple years, but the Sunnyside/Woodside area is a decent place to live and not terribly expensive by NYC standards. Plus, the 7 train is awesome.

― Pork Cheops (willpie), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

otm! sunnyside, woodside, jackson heights, flushing/corona... all great places to live.

― jodias of sunhillow (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

yeah, queens most likely won't be as leafy as brooklyn, and has fewer cool young white people, but may be more interesting

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

I met a hottttt girl from Colombia who lives in Queens today at the immigration thing in WSP. She wanted to sell me some left wing bs paper.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Astoria's not bad at all (definitely inexpensive) and the N/W goes direct to Times Square. Living near the Bohemian Hall beer garden also a plus.

The problem with Hoboken is that the PATH gets really infrequent late at night. There's also a bus from Port Authority though.

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

and parts of Sunnyside are very leafy

bottom line, I live in Queens but given an unlimited budget I would probably pick Brooklyn

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

well not UNLIMITED, but whatever, you know what I mean. I think in most parts of Queens you get more for your money, rent-wise.

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

where in Seattle do you live?
I've lived in Belltown the entire 7 years. (Holy yuppie explosion the last 5 of those!!)

I've actually never set foot in Queens outside of LGA, and I've never been in Brooklyn. Clearly some exploration is called for over a few weekends.

― lyra (lyra), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

staten island you will never see your brooklyn/manhattan friends EVER AGAIN

Erm, I know this is kind of sad, but let's admit it: if you live in Brooklyn, you won't see your Manhattan friends ever again. Or at least, they'll never come to you...

― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

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The avenues south of union square are so busy :(

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

OK grandpa.

― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

(DO NON-NATIVES CHOOSE BROOKLYN FOR LOW POP DENSITY?!)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Brooklyn has a lot going for it, JBR, no need to get defensive about Manhattan. Although I think that we can all agree that only an idiot would live on the upper EAST side.

:'-(

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't trade my UES studio for anything twice the size anywhere in the city.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

*secret handshake*

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

*secret handshake*

― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

LIC might be vaguely Belltownish too?

What's LIC?

How hard is it to get from Brooklyn to NJ? I'm going to want to bring my dog out to my grandparent's farm and to my sister's up by Morristown on some weekends. Hoboken would make that much easier, since on a Saturday morning it's a short drive. Puppy can't go on the subway or trains (one thing I'll miss about Seattle) so being driving distance from Morristown is going to be a big plus.

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Also.. anyone want to tell me where to get a salt bagel near 40th & Broadway?

― lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

i think you want to live on the west side.

there's an H&H at 46th and 12th, but that's pretty far.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

There's probably a Pick-A-Bagel or something around there. I doubt you'll have to go very far.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

the closest pick-a-bagel is 8th and 53rd. there's an ess-a-bagel at 3rd and 51st. but it looks like your best bet is a place called Times Square Hot Bagels at 200 W 44th (Bway/7th), which apparently carries Columbia Bagels.

LIC = Long Island City

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

brooklyn is the best place, ever, maybe.

― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:49 (twenty years ago)

it is a continent unto itself.

― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:49 (twenty years ago)

New York. Big City of Dreams. Exciting at first. After that.... a royal pain in the ass.

― Keep your sword hand free., Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:58 (twenty years ago)

hi, i am moving to brooklyn in august. i hate manhattan. there are too many goddamn people everywhere crowdin up the shit. i've lived in manhattan before (in dorms, disclaimer) but i hate it. hate hate hate. hate. hate. hi brooklyn.

― killy (baby lenin pin), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

as a native nyer who moved on to greener pastures, i can't decide if all this manhattan vs. brooklyn nonsense spewing from people who haved lived there for a few years is hilarious or offensive. sort of confirms my long-held belief that non-natives are the ones who give NY a bad name re: snobbery. (I lived in both places, both have good parts and bad parts) BTW - Washington Heights & Inwood are in Manhattan.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

I wish I was back on the highway back to
Olympia.

― Olympia, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS A DICKHEAD, QED

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)

it looks like your best bet is a place called Times Square Hot Bagels at 200 W 44th (Bway/7th), which apparently carries Columbia Bagels.

this place sux, btw. as you'd expect, because it's not like you have to make good bagels -- or good anything -- to sell shit in times square.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:24 (twenty years ago)

Paul...I know there are exceptions to the rules and I know Prospect Heights prices have skyrocketed...but it's still cheaper then most places I've heard about in the East Village, or most parts of manhattan, especially if you consider apt size. And I'd trade every indiependent theater in manhattan for 1 BAM ROSE CINEMATEQUE. And I don't get the transport issue? I have more restaurants and bars I like that I can walk to in brooklyn then any part of manhattan.

Lyra, if you're gonna spend some time going from brooklyn to NJ, the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel will become your friend, so you can avoid the evil known as Canal Street.

And I know there are decent parts of Hoboken, but Jersey City is still cheaper and currently much much hipper. But the really nice parts of Jersey City are basically Brooklyn prices and I wouldn't trade living in Brooklyn for life on the PATH train.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Meet me at Penn Station.

― kitsch, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 07:07 (twenty years ago)

why?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm biased since I live there, but I think Hoboken would be a good option for you. It's very convenient to where you work - 15 minute PATH train ride to 33rd & Broadway. It's true the PATH runs less often after midnight (once every 30 minutes), but it runs on schedule, so with a little foresight you can often arrange to arrive at the station shortly before the train arrives. The whole town is very gentrified now, and you'll never feel unsafe walking around at any hour. It has a nice neighborhood feel - not as congested and noisy as the city. It has a very active bar scene on the weekends, but not of the sort that ILXors would consider hip (lots of yuppies that work in the city and young NJ people from nearby areas). It also has a decent selection of restaurants and cafes and even a decent record store. On-street parking can be difficult, but it's still easier to own a car there than in the city.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Brooklynites just h8 folks who do something evil enough for a living that pays enough to live in Manhattan below 96th Street.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

It's true, PATH trains are timely and dependable, and also generally cleaner and quieter than the NYC subways. Of course, you also have to transfer systems and pay an extra fare to use them in combination with the MTA, so there are pros & cons for each.

Getting to suburban NJ from Brooklyn is RAWTHER A PAIN. Canal Street anytime except, like, 5am is questionable, and on nice evenings and/or weekends it's a traffic jam nightmare. You could spend 45 minutes just crossing the island. HOWEVER, getting OUT of Hoboken isn't speedy, either -- you can hardly move on a lot of those narrow streets (with parking on both sides, natch) and all the back- & side-streets are one-way so you have to weave your way around. Plus Hoboken is EXPENSIVE, YO and the streets are full of frat boy-types and girls in those matching "juicy" sweatsuits. Boys: this may or may not be a draw for you -- decide accordingly.

Honestly the fastest way to get onto the turnpike and/or yr chosen expressway is to live in downtown Jersey City. Which, as Dan says, has spiked to almost Brooklyn prices. But it's great there, I loved it.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Biggest problem w/ living in downtown JC: you can't get a cab or car service home late at night (without exorbitant cost) because it's a) technically out-of-state and b) requires cabbies to pay the Lincoln Tunnel toll to get back into the city. Whereas taking a cab from the Lower East Side to most common residential nabes in Bklyn costs around $10-15 and is totally reasonable for a special occasion.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

O.Nate is seeking new Hoboken friends!

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Are you ready to be ... Hoboken??

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

laurel, I recommended the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel above. For those in brookly, you simply drive to the area where Carroll Gardens meets Red Hook, you can take the BQE to Atlantic Ave or if in Park Slope tape Prospect down too Hamilton or whatever, get in the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, which unfortunately costs 5 bucks or so, but it takes you right to the west side highway and directly to the entrance of the Holland Tunnel. On days where I would've spent an hour plus sitting on Canal st(not to mention Flatbush), this has been a lifesaver.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

again, it looks like you want to live on the West Side of Manhattan, preferably in Chelsea or Hell's Kitchen/Clinton

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

O.Nate is seeking new Hoboken friends!

Sure, that too.

HOWEVER, getting OUT of Hoboken isn't speedy, either

This is definitely true around 8:30 am on a weekday, when commuter congestion peaks. But most other times it's fine.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

looks like we may have found a place near here. pretty near the bqe but apparently you can't hear it. quick, tell me why i shouldn't live there!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that block but I can't think of any reason!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

cool! except now it sounds like we might be going a few blocks north instead...!

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Plus Hoboken is EXPENSIVE, YO and the streets are full of frat boy-types and girls in those matching "juicy" sweatsuits.

i believe that hurting has (appropriately) called the place "bro-boken."

there are a number of cool ILXors in the hoboken/jersey city area though -- such as hurting, o nate, and of course MYSELF.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Still okay! Try again! (XP)

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

also, a "bargain" hoboken condo is $300K for 400 sq. feet.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

streets are full of frat boy-types and girls in those matching "juicy" sweatsuits

Unfortunately this is true. You can kind of imagine that you're living in a college town, which it is I guess, if you count Stevens.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

But most of these people are recent grads not actual students. Somehow the word must have spread along the frat/sorority grapevine that Hoboken is the place to move after school.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

But most of these people are recent grads not actual students. Somehow the word must have spread along the frat/sorority grapevine that Hoboken is the place to move after school.

which kinda means that williamsburg and hoboken aren't THAT much different -- more like each others' evil twin bros!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

HOBOKEN = FRAT DUDES
WILLIAMSBURG = DOUCHEBAGS

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

EXACTLY, jon.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

BUSHWICK = ????????

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

BUSHWICK = BROS

I tell you, I am never going to become one of those post-collegiate fucktards who think Brooklyn ends at the Lorimer stop on the L.

http://www.knowmap.com/ssi/images/dragon.gif

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather live on the UES than have all my friends on Bedford ave.

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

mookie...if you can afford it yr doing good...hell, the other side of bqe, over on columbia, is a great neighborhood as well, call it carroll gardens, carroll gardens west, red hook, whatever. I'm just not a fan of living on the other side of what is 478, Red Hook proper...just too cut off from the subways, though it's a really cool area, just not cheap enough to warrant choosing that if you can live north of the highway.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, what streets roughly make up Chelsea? I'm still convinced that Manhattan == mad expensive.

Also, would someone like to explain to me this whole apartment broker fee thing? I found out that my new job MIGHT (big might here) reimburse an apartment broker fee as part of my move, which could maybe make Manhattan a bit more doable.

― lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

what should I check out tonight in the WV in between shopping for a cellphone holster for my bag and hanging out with friends? I have ~2 hours

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Chelsea is roughly the area bounded by 14th Street, the Hudson River, 30th street, and 6th Ave.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:31 (twenty years ago)

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