So much for the GWOT -- get ready for the Long War

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Hoo boy. I guess somebody at the Pentagon doesn't know their Joe Haldeman.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 04:49 (twenty years ago)

I was hoping the mention I heard of the "Long War" a few weeks back was some one-and-done fleeting fancy of the administration.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Worrying how Kimmitt states that the military will have to use 'diplomacy, finance, trade and technology' (according to the BBC's reading of his statements, anyway)–in effect becoming an individual state/government.

So how long will the military government run alongside and independently from the civilian government before they two merge?

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:38 (twenty years ago)

the two, of course.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:39 (twenty years ago)

It's also disappointing to see the BBC casually throwing in the words 'hearts and minds' without quotation marks.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Who should the quotation be made out to? Should they quote "profile" in the previous paragraph (it isn't really a face)?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

"I'm an artillery officer, and I can't fire cannons at the internet. Our future posture is still being worked out." --Brig Gen Mark Kimmitt, US Central Command

DAMN YOU, INTERNET

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Andrew: It's more that I find 'hearts and minds' to be a repulsive phrase, and another soundbite from the War On Terror (tm)/Long War (tm) propaganda machine which I would be dismayed to see slip into common usage.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I can't fire cannons at the internet.

I'm envisioning the 1st Army Troll Division.

― Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

that's psy-ops

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I think it's safe to say the slippage has already occurred.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, I have to plead ignorance here–I wasn't aware of the phrase being used before recent times. However I still object to its connotations with BushCo.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

From a 2001 interview:

Reporter: “Casper Weinburger in 1987 laid down some pretty clear rules for engaging U.S. forces. One was clear goals that are militarily achievable, that you can explain that there’s an endgame. What’s some of your early thinking here in terms of what constitutes victory?”

Donald Rumsfeld: “I say that victory is persuading the American people and the rest of the world that this is not a quick matter that’s going to be over in a month or a year or even five years. It is something that we need to do so that we can continue to live in a world with powerful weapons and with people who are willing to use those powerful weapons. And we can do that as a country. And that would be a victory, in my view.”

Victory = endless war

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

...the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word ‘war,’ therefore, has become misleading… by becoming continuous, war has ceased to exist.
- George Orwell

Beware the savage jaw of 1984!
- David Bowie

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

they are really really stupid

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42428000/jpg/_42428029_ac130_pa203b.jpg

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

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