Malt Liquor == Special Brew?

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Is Malt Liquor basically what us Brits call Special Brew/Super, i.e. just strong sweet beer?

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

Which is to say, does:

http://www.40oz-warriors.com/profiles/images/Mr.%20Malt%20Liquor.jpg

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caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

I believe so, yes.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Generally, yes, but as it's primarily a legal designation in the US, there are tasty good quality high alcohol beers that are forced to carry the malt liquor tag, like barleywines.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

By tasty I mean not cheap and sweet, obviously.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 April 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

So what difference does being legally classified malt liquor make? Not for sale in bars?

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

ohhh i remember fondly sipping on 40 oz. of st.ides special brews. like kiwi flavored ones.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's rarely for sale at bars, though sometimes it is. I've seen Mickey's Big Mouths and even Old E at a couple bars, but I think they only stocked it for novelty value.

I've had both UK strong lager and US malt (ALOT) and they're pretty much the same thing. Elephat malt is probably the most drinkable available here. Malt is usually for poor folks, it's a good meal replacement.

andy --, Friday, 21 April 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mypatchstore.com/images/products/AUG13colt45.gif

MALT LIQUOR plus MENTOL = ethnic marketing disaster

andy --, Friday, 21 April 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Back in the day on my block Old Engilsh was #2 to this:

http://www.zianet.com/spencer/schlitz1200.GIF

6.8% and mighty fine tasting redish colored malt. It's still hard for me to accept "red bull" as some yuppie energy drink.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like Special Brew fucks me up way faster than the malt liquor I am used to.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

but malt liquor isn't sweet, is it (unless you mix it with hawaiian punch or grape drink or whatever to mask the taste)?

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

It kinda is because of all the corn that's used in the brewing process. I mean, Steel Reserve tastes pretty good for something that will get you drunk off of one 40oz bottle and for only $1.50.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

fuck this shit, it's all about mad dog 20/20

geeta (geeta), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

ew, i HATE steel reserve

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

This might explain my recollection of the v. early 80s UK TV advert that went "Every Tom, Jack or Walt/ Who likes the taste of malt/ Will like the malt/ In a Colt/ FORTY-FIVEEEEEE"

Boring Someone in Some Dark Cafe (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

So is malt bitter? Are we talking bitter like English bitter, e.g. Tetleys?

I fear the only way for me to truly get to grips with this is to drink a 40 on the sidewalk. Where did I put those air miles?

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

After a 40 or two one night my girlfriend and I called the Olde English customer service number. We wanted to know what the "800" means. The good people at the Olde English call center didn't know but were very friendly.

adam (adam), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

How many 40s does one in a typical session?

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

does one drink, that should read.

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

i could drink 3 in college, but now one will get me plastered.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

One is enough, and two at the most, unless you are a sad drunk. One 40 equals five or six 12oz servings of domestic lager (Pabst, Miller, Old Style).

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Christ. That's about seven cans of Special Brew (if the malt is ~9% like SB, although I'm pretty sure they put mescaline in SB).

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Why does malt liquor have some sort of street cache (I think malt liquor, I think Ice Cube), whereas Special Brew.... doesn't (I think Special Brew, I think Scottish tramps).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Special Brew is a 9% abv pasteurised lager in a bottle or can with a distinctive gold and red colour. It was first brewed to commemorate a visit to Denmark of Winston Churchill in 1950. In May 1951 two crates were delivered to Churchill's London home. In a thank you letter Churchill called the drink "Commemoration Lager". In Denmark the drink was called Easter Beer. For the British market Carlsberg called the drink Special Brew and production was started in Northampton in the 1950s.

vs.

The 40oz. Crew @ www.ezboard.com

Ya got me.

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

One 40 equals five or six 12oz servings of domestic lager

Quick mental rithmetic: One forty = 3 pints, tops?

Puffs.

Boring Someone in Some Dark Cafe (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

production was started in Northampton in the 1950s.

Around 1/4 mile from the house I was born. Every Friday the entire area stinks to fuck of hops.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

40 US fluid ounces = 2.5 US pints.

(40 US fluid ounces = 2.08168461 Imperial pints)

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Around 1/4 mile from the house I was born. Every Friday the entire area stinks to fuck of hops.

Wards Brewery in Sheffield used to smell the same. Possibly Fridays too. It now smells of yuppie flats, a Peugot dealership and the Sheffield DVLA. Lush.

caek (caek), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

I rest my case re: puffs.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, isn't a 40 more like 3 beers? what's the alcohol content?

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 21 April 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

a regular american beer is maybe 4% alcohol. malt liquor is more like 7%.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Why does malt liquor have some sort of street cache (I think malt liquor, I think Ice Cube), whereas Special Brew.... doesn't (I think Special Brew, I think Scottish tramps).

I've never seen Special Brew in the states in large package stores. I'm sure package stores in the hood sure as hell don't have it either.

Your average american lager is around 5.5%. King Kobra is 10%. Steel Reserve High Gravity is 9.1% (I believe). Its also really cheap. Since most people are tore completely up after two (if not just one) 40s, that means you can get drunk for $3, or less. Even a 30 case of Natty Ice costs $10, and you'd have to drink about 7 of those to get the same effect. And it tastes worse.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

We have our own 'special brew' in the US to get your jimmy thicker and your girley in the mood quicker: "St. Ides Special Brew - Cool, funky fruit, wild colors and street strength make sure St. Ides Special Brew will rock your taste buds. Available in Kiwi Strawberry, Mixed Fruit, Passion and Berry."

andy --, Friday, 21 April 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not so sure 40s have "street cache." They're a cheap way to get drunk, and everyone knows it. I live next door to a liquor store on Chicago's West Side, and the only people that buy 40s on a regular basis are drunks.

Then again, you guys probably don't have parties like Edward Special-Brew-Hands.

gbx (skowly), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

IIRC, "malt liquor" is, in the US, a designation determined entirely by the alcohol content. It's beer with more than 5% alcohol. In some cities and states, this limits where and when it can be sold, and in some states, not. So technically, a delicious Belgian brew like Delirium Tremens would (more than) qualify as malt liquor, when in fact it's just really strong beer. But colloquially speaking, malt liquor is the worst, cheapest shit there is, comes in huge fuck-off bottles, and one of them will lay you on the curb and make you sweat it and smell like it for the whole next day. Which is why only drunks buy it on a regular basis.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

But I could be wrong. Here is a list of some beers and their alcohol percentages.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Your average american lager is around 5.5%

I don't think that's right. More like 3.5 - 4.5, and 4.5 is high for a lager.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Budweiser is 5%.

Who remembers the 64 oz.? Those were badass; I know Colt .45 made one, Little Kings cream ale, and I think Special Export. I felt like a pirate drinking one of those.

andy --, Friday, 21 April 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, isn't a 40 more like 3 beers? what's the alcohol content?

It's more like four, but at any rate, it's not about the ethanol, it's about the nasty. Poor brewing process + cheap, sugary ingredients = more fucked up quicker, and in this case, that's not a good thing.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Wikipedia to the rescue again -- kind of. THis is a complicated question, apparently.

The apparently confusing and inconsistent use of the term 'malt liquor' has to do with the vagaries of American alcoholic beverage regulations, which can vary from state to state. In some states 'malt liquor' refers to any alcoholic beverage made by fermenting grain and water; in these states a non-alcoholic beer may also be called a non-alcoholic or non-intoxicating malt liquor. In some states, products labeled 'beer' must fall below a certain alcohol content, and beers that exceed the mark must be labeled as 'malt liquor'. A typical legal definition is in Colorado Rev. Stat. ss. 12 – 47 – 103(19), which provides that:

"Malt Liquors" includes beer and shall be construed to mean any beverage obtained by the alcoholic fermentation of any infusion or decoction of barley, malt, hops or any other similar products, or any combination thereof, in water containing more than three and two-tenths percent of alcohol by weight.

(Note: alcohol percentages measured by weight translate into larger figures when re-expressed as alcohol percentages by volume, because ethanol is lighter than water.)

Some states do not define a category of malt liquors; in these states, beers labelled malt liquor are typically available, but the label simply identifies the product with the style, and has no legal significance. While ordinary beers in the United States average around 5.0% alcohol by volume, malt liquors typically range from 6.0% up to 9% alcohol by volume. In some areas of the western United States, beers that are too strong to legally be beer are confusingly called 'ale'.

(Bolding mine, to emphasize the rightness of the average = 5% claim.)

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

X-post

Your average american lager is around 5.5%
I don't think that's right. More like 3.5 - 4.5, and 4.5 is high for a lager.

Budweiser is 5%.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I didn't bold it. Does ILX not understand the < strong > tag? Should have read:

While ordinary beers in the United States average around 5.0% alcohol by volume

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

X-post again.

My text got cut, somehow. I noted Coors, Miller, Michelob were also 5%, and doubted that the "nastiness" of the brew made it any more potent, it's probably just that when one gets drunk on crap, the extra sickness makes the experience more vivid in retrospect, so you think you were drunker.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

In some states 'malt liquor' refers to any alcoholic beverage made by fermenting grain and water; in these states a non-alcoholic beer may also be called a non-alcoholic or non-intoxicating malt liquor.

Dude, this will get you SOOOOOO not drunk.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

and doubted that the "nastiness" of the brew made it any more potent, it's probably just that when one gets drunk on crap, the extra sickness makes the experience more vivid in retrospect

I would argue that the extra sickness makes the experience more vivid in real time.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

more fucked up quicker, and in this case, that's not a good thing

it's a good thing when you're broke and young and stupid but yeah, it's nasty stuff. I stuck to King Kobra, Mickey's and St. Ides. 'Special Brew' in the US means a particular brand of (terrible)fruity drinks by St. Ides as mentioned above.
in my laziest, drunkest summers I got up to needing 2 40's to get 'faded'. I probably couldn't finish one these days(at least not pounding it, the way you're supposed to drink it). There used to be a hubbub amongst black folk(at the height of the rapper/malt liquor synergy of the early-mid 90's) about malt liquor being designed by the man to damage our reproductive health; seems to have gone the way of many other perfectly serviceable conspiracy theories post-9-11.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

I would argue that the extra sickness makes the experience more vivid in real time.

That too, but not drunker.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)


And Rainier Ale was my 40 of choice in college, because my brother told me his friend had determined it was the most bang for the buck, alcohol/price-wise.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, so American malt liquor = drunk + making you feel like you haven't eaten, even when you have.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ayingerbrau Pils is a weird lager you only see in an odd chain of pubs. There are a couple of places that sell it in Bristol, one in Soho, and one in Oxford, that I know of. It's 5.9%, but I've never drunk more than three pints. I guess it's like malt in that there's more than just alcohol fucking you up. Rocket fuel.

caek (caek), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

So if we use 4% and 6% then a 40 equals 5 normal beers,
but these arguments are much more fun in the pub.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Saturday, 22 April 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ayingerbrau is available in Samuel Smith's pubs, yes. It's designed to leave your children looking sad at the school gate wondering where their father is.

Ricky Nadir (noodle vague), Saturday, 22 April 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm drinking a Sparks knockoff called Tilt and it's awesome.

wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

A few times a week, I drink a single can of 211 as fast as I can, then write for an hour. Quarantine has really done me in.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 20 July 2020 21:45 (five years ago)


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