A thread for odd archeology news (Bosnian pyramids and such)

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Strange to see two different pyramid threads today, but neither seemed appropriate. Anyway...

VISOKO, Bosnia-Herzegovina - Researchers in Bosnia on Wednesday unearthed the first solid evidence that an ancient pyramid lies hidden beneath a massive hill — a series of geometrically cut stone slabs that could form part of the structure's sloping surface.

Archaeologists and other experts began digging into the sides of the mysterious hill near the central Bosnian town of Visoko last week. On Wednesday, the digging revealed large stone blocks on one side that the leader of the team believes are the outer layer of the pyramid.

"These are the first uncovered walls of the pyramid," said Semir Osmanagic, a Bosnian archaeologist who studied the pyramids of Latin America for 15 years.

Osmanagic said Wednesday's discovery significantly bolsters his theory that the 2,120-foot hill rising above the small town of Visoko is actually a step pyramid — the first found in Europe.

"We can see the surface is perfectly flat. This is the crucial material proof that we are talking pyramids," he said.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

The guy sounds kinda suspicious... He finds "large stone blocks" on a hill and thinks that's proof there's a 2,120 pyramid there! Dig deeper before making such assumptions.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

http://paleoshilling.nl/whatsnew.html

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i think that skeleton thing is a hoax

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

yeah its 'viral marketing' for some computer game

-+-+-+---, Friday, 28 April 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

The Archaeological Institute of America responds

The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection
April 27, 2006
by Mark Rose

Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.

The world's oldest and largest pyramid found in Bosnia? It sounds incredible. The story has swept the media, from the Associated Press and the BBC, from papers and websites in the U.S. to those in India and Australia. Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride? Why did the media not check the story more carefully? ARCHAEOLOGY will address these questions in depth in our next issue, July/August, but for now let's at least put the lie to the claims emanating from Visoko, the town 20 miles northwest of Sarajevo where the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is located.

Semir (Sam) Osmanagic, a Houston-based Bosnian-American contractor first saw the hills he believes to be pyramids last spring. He is now digging the largest of them and plans to continue the work through November, promoting it as the largest archaeological project underway in Europe. (His call for volunteers even slipped into the Archaeological Institute of America's online listing of excavation opportunities briefly before being yanked.) He claims it is one of five pyramids in the area (along with what he calls the pyramids of the Moon, Earth, and Dragon, plus another that hasn't been named in any account I've seen). These, he says, resemble the 1,800-year-old pyramids at Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City. Osmanagic maintains that the largest is bigger than the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, and that the Bosnian pyramids date to 12,000 B.C.

Construction of massive pyramids in Bosnia at that period is not believable. Curtis Runnels, a specialist in the prehistory of Greece and the Balkans at Boston University, notes that "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."

But time and again the media reports say that Osmanagic has spent 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America. What is not included in the reports is how Osmanagic interprets those structures and the cultures that built them. Had anyone bothered to investigate, they would have found rather bizarre notions in Osmanagic's book The World of the Maya (Gorgias Press, Euphrates imprint, 2005; $29.95). I had a look at the online edition of it (accessible on Osmanagic's "Alternative History" website at www.alternativnahistorija.com).

A couple of brief passages will convey the gist of Osmanagic's beliefs:

Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.

The descendants of the Maya, the Lacandon Indians in Chiapas were discovered in the mid-twentieth century. This isolated community showed a surprising similarity to the Basque and Berber peoples (most probable descendants of the natives of Atlantis).... In the sacred Mayan book, the Popul Vuh, there are descriptions of cosmic travelers, the use of the compass, the fact that the Earth is round, and knowledge of the secrets of the universe.... The Mayan hieroglyphics tell us that their ancestors came from the Pleiades... first arriving at Atlantis where they created an advanced civilization.

Many cultures around the world, from India, Sumeria, Egypt, Peru, the Indians of North and Central America, the Inca and the Maya, call themselves the "Children of the Sun" or the "children of light." Their ancestors, the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, erected the first temples on energy potent point of the Planet. Their most important function was to serve as a gateway to other worlds and dimensions.

And there it is. A self-described archaeologist, who believes the Maya and others are descended from Atlanteans who came from the Pleiades, has been accepted as a legitimate researcher by many news outlets. His ideas of early pyramids in Bosnia, which is simply not possible, has been accepted as a major discovery. How could this happen?

If you want to categorize this farce, it seems a standard-issue "amateur/maverick confounds establishment with great discovery" story, which no doubt makes it appealing to uncritical reporters looking for a big story. This kind of tale is a staple of the pseudoarchaeology or fantastic archaeology genre. And the term "pyramidiot" has been applied to those obsessed with pyramids and who offer strange interpretations of them on websites and in books and televsion programs. (See "Seductions of Pseudoarchaeology: Far Out Television").

Such stories infuriate serious scholars like Runnels. "These reports are irresponsible on the part of journalists," he says. "These claims are completely unsupported with any kind of factual evidence, such as artifacts or photographs of the alleged architectures. They have not been confirmed by archaeologists who have the training and competence to evaluate them. The person making the claims appears to have no training in archaeology and has not presented his finds in a way that would allow them to be scrutinized by trained experts. This is simply sensationalism and grandstanding and the journalists who have reported on these claims, without first fact-checking the stories with professional archaeologists, should be ashamed of themselves. People who believe these stories, especially when they are presented without evidence, are fools."

Some in the academic establishment have spoken out. They maintain that the kind of project Osmanagic is running is far worse than just misleading the gullible public. Following a report about Osmanagic in the London Times, Anthony Hardy, president European Association of Archaeologists, wrote the editors, "The situation of professional heritage management in Bosnia-Herzegovina is, since the Bosnian war, in a poor state, with a tiny number of people trying to do what they can to protect their rich heritage from looting and unmonitored or unauthorised development. It adds insult to injury when rich outsiders can come in and spend large sums pursuing their absurd theories (the construction of a colossal pyramid so large that it dwarfs even those of Egypt or Mesoamerica? 12,000 years ago?), in ways that most other countries would never countenance, instead of devoting their cash to the preservation of the endangered genuine sites and monuments in which Bosnia-Herzegovina abounds."

Others fear that Osmanagic's excavations will damage real sites (the hill he calls the "Pyramid of the Sun" is said to have medieval, Roman, and Illyrian remains on it). In one of the few critical accounts of the Bosnian pyramid story, which appeared in the Art Newspaper, the University of Sarejevo's Enver Imamovic, a former director of the National Museum in Sarjevo, is quoted as saying, "This is the equivalent of letting me, an archaeologist, perform surgery in hospitals."

There is public outcry within Bosnia, and an online petition that seeks to shut down Osmanagic's project. But he apparently has backers within the federal government and the Sarejevo city government. Whether he is allowed to continue or not is unresolved for now, and his website makes no mention of any controversy. And even when the mainstream media catch up and realize that the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is no such thing, it will have entered the annals of fantastic archaeology and will have a multitude of believers and defenders.

Mark Rose is executive and online editor of ARCHAEOLOGY.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
'Brazilian Stonehenge' found

Brazilian archaeologists have found an ancient stone structure in a remote corner of the Amazon that may cast new light on the region's past.

The site, thought to be an observatory or place of worship, pre-dates European colonisation and is said to suggest a sophisticated knowledge of astronomy.

Its appearance is being compared to the English site of Stonehenge.

It was traditionally thought that before European colonisation, the Amazon had no advanced societies.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Maybe not as odd per se but here's another story from the general area:

An exquisitely preserved and elaborately tattooed mummy of a young woman has been discovered deep inside a mud-brick pyramid in northern Peru, archaeologists from Peru and the U.S. announced today.

The 1,500-year-old mummy may shed new light on the mysterious Moche culture, which occupied Peru's northern coastal valleys from about A.D. 100 to 800.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

LOL Thomas' post reminds me of a fairly recent New Yorker article about the 'Lost City of Z,' and the British explorer Henry Fawcett, who went missing in 1925 while looking for it. The article is one of those long-assed 20 pager NYer ones, but so worth it, fascinating throughout.

And now maybe they found it. Wow.

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Ancient Cemetery Found; Brings Green Sahara to Life

Dinosaur hunters have stumbled across the largest and oldest Stone Age cemetery in the Sahara desert.

Paleontologist Paul Sereno and his team were scouring the rocks between harsh dunefields in northern Niger for dinosaur bones in 2000 when they stumbled across the graveyard, on the shores of a long-gone lake.

Called Gobero, the area is a uniquely preserved record of human habitation and burials from the Kiffian (7700 to 6200 B.C.) and the Tenerian (5200 to 2500 B.C.) cultures, says a new study led by Sereno of the University of Chicago.

The "watershed" find also offers a new window into how these tribes lived and buried their dead during the extreme Holocene period, when a grassy Sahara dried up in the world's largest desert.

The full article is here and is well worth the read. Don't miss the photo section

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 18 August 2008 23:43 (seventeen years ago)

Using a technique that measures solar radiation captured in sand grains,

Oh wow.... REALLY?

OK, this is fascinating.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 08:59 (seventeen years ago)

Where did it say that? I missed that bit.

Forest Pines Mk2, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:39 (seventeen years ago)

It's in the photos section, it was talking about how they dated the sand dunes. I have never heard of such a process!

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:41 (seventeen years ago)

Aah, right, I hadn't looked at that bit due to Flash nuisancing.

I'm guessing they've got it ass-backwards and mean optically-stimulated luminescence. If you keep sand grains in the dark, they will capture energy from background radiation, then if you put them in strong light, it will be released; the amount of energy is proportional to the radiation dose they've received. So, if you assume the radiation has remained constant, you can get a date since it was last exposed to sunlight.

It's not widely used because you need to excavate your samples in darkroom conditions, but it became well known when it was used to date the Uffington White Horse, back in the 1990s.

Forest Pines Mk2, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

Amazingness.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:54 (seventeen years ago)

Didn't know that was how they dated the horse! Pretty neat. Thanks.

I wonder how widely distributed the samples were and if they all came up as the same age within reasonable error bounds. Got talking to a stranger once who said that he did not especially care for it as an Old Thing, seeing as if they re-scour it regularly how d'you know it's really what it looked like thousands of years ago?

My immediate reaction was mild bristling at his dismissal of the only interesting thing near my home, but since then I have come to wonder, well, how DO you? It'd be kind of neat to discover whether it had changed shape significantly.

Err, sorry, as you were, back to this Sahara thing, which is cool too.

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:53 (seventeen years ago)

No, go ahead! The dating of the White Horse is certainly archeology news, even if it's old news... but then again, isn't all archeology, by its very definition, old news? Ha ha.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:55 (seventeen years ago)


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