It's the most open title race ever.....

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....and other cliches.

A nice shiny new footie discussion thread.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I expect this to be full by the time I get in on Monday.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Real Madrid will sneak it. At the end of the day, the big guns have still got more firepower.

Peter Miller, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Anderlecht .... again

Jeff W, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I want to mention Trevor Sinclairs overhead volley for QPR in the FA Cup a few years back. I saw a video of it the other day and I've been daydreaming about it since.

Ronan, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoever wins the title is in the top 2 at Christmas.

Yeah, right.

Billy Dods, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

HERE is where you now mock Man Yoo losing to (snigger) Boro.

I'm tired of having Petes "Oh, it's Arsenals year without a doubt" hitting my line of vision every time I look at the other one.

Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not just Manyoo, Charlton = out, someone else too, oops, san miguel blocking synapses, anyway, why can't Spurs' groundstaff deal with a downpour? and isnm't it a shame for all those poor Bolton fans who travelled all that way only for the game to be called off? ha ha ha ha ha ha (I think I may have just given away my most hated team!)

chris, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I LIKE WHEN THEY FALL DOWN

Mike Hanle y, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

me too, Mike, me too.

chris, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I told you it was West Brom's year...

Peter Miller, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I expected both Man U's revival and their defeats to Liverpool and Boro. I really ought to make some money out of this intuitive brilliance.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I expected Liverpool's defeat yesterday, so much so that it hardly phased me, which was rather odd. The man city/Ipswich tie was the day's best game, Benarbia was absolute class.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Peterborough v Newcastle game was action packed too. And Barry Fry gave some class analysis to Claire Tomlinson, Sky's touchline reporter TM, during the game.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Barry Fry gave some class analysis to Claire Tomlinson

Blimey, did he work with an an old school Marxist model or develop something more complex?

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

His views were somewhat Malthusian.He was developing the link between the increasing population of the working classes and the shitness of Peterborough's floodlights.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"They've got the dimmest floodlinghts in the league They've the the thickest manager in the league They've got the crappest putch in the league Boro are a shit club."

I have Peterborough I do.

Pete, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My friend from Northampton thinks Peterborough is a shithole so he calls it Shitborough.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I understand that is the common parlance among Northampton Town fans, Jonnie.

My favourite memory of London Road (best named ground in the league) is when one of my friends had to be led bleeding from the terraces in need of first aid. What gross act of Carragheresque terrace badness had occurred, you ask? He had run into the back of a local bus as he was making his way to the ground. Arf!

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been to London road, and it's not as rubbish as Cheltenham's ground (name escapes me) where they do not even sell pies!!!!

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cheltenham? Shitenham, more like!

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Talking of Carragher, any of you pro-Scouse types fancy offering any views on how long he should be banned from football for? As long as Cantona was? As long as a fan caught throwing things onto a pitch would be?

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What, you mean life? I think he should be applauded for what he did. I've often considered throwing things at gooners.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can completely understand how in the heat of the moment you would think throwing a missile back where it came from was not an outrageous thing to do. He was right to be sent off but I think that should be the end of it.

Please can we can call it a 'missile' and not just a coin. It's the correct footballing terminology.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suppose he should get a ban, not sure how long for, but I reckon he'll be out for ten games, which'll be a damn shame, the incident set me to wondering whether I'd be able to resist doing the same thing myself. My conclusion was that I probably would, but then I've got a fucker of a temper sometimes.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do you think the same about fans, Nick? One-game ban?

If throwing things into the crowd is considered a lesser offence than throwing things onto the pitch, that's an outrage.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He really did wang it back though didn't he. I think he'll get a 6 game ban. Are Arsenal going to get punished too for being such a filthy, filthy team this season? That's their 10th red card so far which is, quite frankly, a disgrace.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do you think the same about fans, Nick? One-game ban?

If they were throwing it back in thoughtless retaliation at someone chucking at them, and they were clearly regretful of what they'd done, yes. I know it was stupid but I don't think it was malicious.

If Chris did it though, life ban. That man's a menace.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't see it, but I bet he didn't hit the right person. He probably hit some disabled kid.

Peter Miller, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Those disabled kids are the worst!

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

According to the Gooner at work, the incident happened right by the family enclosure, so this is indeed possible.

He's right by the way, I am a menace.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Carragher will get a five match ban. The Arsenal fan who threw teh coins will not be identified. (As Arsenal 'never see the incident').

jel, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Arsenal have promised to find the culprit and ban him (or her) for life, I'll believe it when I see it though.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Banned from Highbury for life? What about the punishment?

I think they should make the culprit do a one-season stint as the Tottenham mascot.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Leave Chirpy outta this!

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://www.spurs.co.uk/new_images/glenn_chirpy.jpg

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How chirpy would he be if he was some Gooner on Community Service? The more I think about this plan, the better it gets. Being forced to dress up as Pilgrim Pete is the worst fate I can imagine.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The potential for sabotage at White Hart Lane would be terrifying though.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Except that if you didn't co-operate you could be sent to PRISON for infringing the terms of the Community Service.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Arsenal vice chairman's son is already engaged to Spurs vice chairman's daughter. I fear the infilitrative campaign is already underway.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Highbury Hotspur FC, I can see it now, red, blue and white striped kit. Now *that's* the way forward for footy in North London.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

STOP!NOW!

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Since Highbury Hotspur will apparently be playing in Crystal Palace's kit, might as well lump that mob in there with them. It's not like anyone would miss Palace, after all.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not me, that's for certain. I think this is a valid idea that should be discussed at length.

chris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sol Campbell wouldnt get his game for Highbury Hotspur.

Ronan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The mutation of this thread is causing me some distress.

Jonnie, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What about a Liverpool Everton merger?

Oh shit that'd be just the Liverpool team as it is.

Ronan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suppose they'd play at the to-be-developed new Highbury. For the strip, can I suggest either (a) Palace's turn-of-the-eighties red and blue 'diagonal sash' on white, or (b) red and blue stripes with white trim and no sleeves, as per Cameroon?

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

God football fans are so silly about things like this. In another context, they would happily mock this kind of attitude as Little Englandism. Get over it! Up the Highbury Hotspurs! And the Plymouth Grecians!

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oooh Nicky you *really* know how to sting.

Tim, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ipswich get a draw tonight and Bolton are in the relegation zone, where they belong! Surprise win for Boro though, only surprise in Charlton fixture is that they didn't win by more.

chris, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

United fans are really such dickheads. Well. Not really. But I was in the pub last night with my mates(who all support United) and I had my back to the TV and all of a sudden they're like "oooooooh, oh my god, WHAT A GOAL, THATS AMAZING, UNBELIEVABLE, LOOK AT THAT RO, TURN AROUND". So I turn around expecting a 30 yard swerving volley or something and it's just that counter attack with Van Nistelrooys goal.

Jesus these are the same people who were saying Murphys goal was just luck last week.

Ronan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't see anyone but Leicester, Derby and Bolton being relegated. I can't really see anyone finishing above United for the title though I live in hope.

mark, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, Bolton are surely down: no home win since August!!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Next up: can Newcastle stay in the chasing pack? or whatever.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I doubt it. Aren't they playing the best team in London tonight? (have I just jinxed the great spurs?)

jel, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(have I just jinxed the great spurs?)

Yes, you have. Arsenal and Newcastle still the two sides capable of overhauling Man U by virtue of game-in-hand. Leeds blew it tonight. Liverpool stay in the hunt with a goal by... oh no, that can't be right.

So, er, why has Xavier moved across Stanley Park then? Is it just a bid for immortality alongside the mighty Dave Hickson (and N*ck B*rm*y)? Does he like living in the area and just fancies a spot on the bench and a more secure wage? Bit of a puzzle.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

they offered him a new submarine, seeing as the last one sunk twenty thousand leagues under the sea.

chris, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seeing as I have acquired JINX power: Arsenal win win the league, and Man U will win win the European Cup.

jel, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, good work last night jel!! Hopefully your jinx power will work again in line with your above predictions.

Jonnie, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Mag visiting our office was at the game last night and apparently they were singing "are you Arsenal in disguise" ouch.

chris, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Some thoughts.

1.It's all about goalscoring midfielders. Who has them and who hasn't is what will decide this thing. Arsenal have (Freddie L, Pires for example) and Man U have (little Scholesy, Giggs, Keane, Beckham). All sides have reasonable defences and strikers who can score regularly* (*with some provisos later).

2. Have you noticed how everyone is playing 'narrower' now? Utd don't always play Becks and Giggsy, Liverpool go for a compact midfield except when Owen isn't playing, Arsenal are trying Wiltord on the RHS, and Newcastle had Robert on the bench and a very defensive looking midfield v Spurs. Could it be due to heavier pitches?

3. More on Liverpool. Can't win it because only Owen can score regularly. The 'compact midfield' with 3 from Hamann, Gerrard, Murphy, Gary Mac doesn't seem to get forward enough. The formation with Smicer and Berger wider, as used last night is probably supposed to provide crosses for Anelka and Heskey, but doesn't work because A+ H channel wide too often forcing the midfield out of shape. Wright looks handy at the back. Dudek is the best keeper in the premiership. Buying Xavier was nuts!

4. Newcastle. Seem to spread the goals around, but will fall back if Shearer and/or Bellamy get crocked. Their target man + runner combination works really well.

5. Man U are still weaker at the back than most other contenders, but will prevail thru sheer weight of goals. Injuries will affect them less due to proven reserve strength + Forlan to come.

6. Leeds - out of it, unless a miracle. Too many injuries. Bowyer stopped scoring.

7. Chelsea. 5th or 6th. No goals from midfield. Vulnerable if Einar or Jimmy Floyd get crocked.

8. The resurrection of Bergkamp might swing things the way of Arsenal - unless mentalist Wenger starts to pick the useless Kanu again when the sun starts shining. The disciplinary problems won't hurt them. They never do.

So, sadly conventionally I have to say Arsenal or Man U will win it.

At the bottom Leicester and Bolton will go. Gregory will haul Derby clear and I still stick to my 'outsider' theory for the last place. It'll be one of West Ham, Everton or even Sunderland.

Dr. C, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm sticking doggedly to my pre-season trio of Boro, Blackburn and Leicester for the drop at least until Bolton and Derby have lost so many games that I'm on mathematically thin ice (Easter, perhaps).

Still hoping against hope that a team in red will not win the title. Newcastle have two vital games inside a week in early March (Arsenal home, Liverpool away), but after that you'd fancy them to win six of their last nine at least. If still in touch post-Anfield, they could do it.

EFC possibly on the mend; Ipswich home game crucial, then three nasties in a row around the Cup match. I see LFC have scored less goals at home than we have - bizarre. Xavier's fee = Adrian Heath's when signing from Stoke City in '82. I bet he spends more in a trip to the hairdressers than Inchy was paid in a week though.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tons of Arsenal / Leeds players are suspended, have broken limbs etc etc: hooray, hooray, hooray.

the pinefox, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Golly, what an unimaginably awful result. I think we should revive Pinefox's old thread - it seemed to be doing its job nicely.

Now we're into the final three months of the campaign, perhaps time to start crossing off some names... and Leeds Utd are the first to go.

I can comfort myself with the unoriginal notion that these crunch fixtures all ultimately cancel themselves out, and what really matters is consistency against the mid-tablers and the drop-zone strugglers (an area where Liverpool have been poor recently). Unfortunately, that just leaves us with the prospect of another Man U title (defeated h&a by Lpool, lost at St James's, Highbury, whipped by Chelsea at home; but goal-riots vs every bugger else).

Michael Jones, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hear Derby are back in contention...

Peter Miller, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Awful result? You are referring to the Charlton goalless draw I presume? Despite the Pinefox's weird prognostications, I think Leeds are out of it after the 4-0 mauling: 8 points adrfit and the whole team morale seems pretty low; O'Leary is not making it any better with his incessant whingeing. It is good to see Newcastle maintaining a challenge, a lot longer than I thought they would. Also good to see Ipswich creeping out of the bottom third.

Urgent and Key: Everton have Leeds, Liverpool and Arsenal in their next three games - will they drop into the bottom three?

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My congratulations to Liverpool's players, staff and fans on a magnificent, joyous result. I hope this one goes down in the history books; or at least the Mystic Writing-Pad, as I believe they say in Stevenage.

the pinefox, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Urgent and Key: Everton have Leeds, Liverpool and Arsenal in their next three games - will they drop into the bottom three?

This is what I meant by 'three nasties'. I mean, they don't get any nastier. Best possible time to play Leeds and I fancy us at Anfield. Arsenal will thrash us. I'd cross-reference this with a quick peek at Boro, Blackburn & Bolton's fixtures, but I'm too scared. Ipswich defeat a very, very bad thing indeed.

Michael Jones, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm looking forward to Spurs getting involved in the relegation dogfight. Bring it on I say, I want some fun at the Lane between now and May.

Jonnie, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are Ipswich gonna win this thing now or what?

Ally C, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

some up thread comments.

cheltenham's ground is whaddon road (not wheddon road as the beeb had it on their fa cup coverage), although i cannot comment on pie situation due to having never actually been there, despite several 2pm match day pub conversations.

also rushden and diamonds clearly play in a lego brick stadium (if anyone can find me the words to "we all hate rushden and diamonds" online, i'll be most grateful).

Leeds deffo out of it though, possibly to the point of jeapordising their uefa cup run (I was fully expecting a leeds/valencia final).

also also Hopkins are you coming up for the ox/ex game on the 23rd?

CarsmileSteve, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Quite extraordinary! I thought I was onto a winner for Carslime's query with this remarkable page of bile and invective, but he only goes and bottles it when he gets to R&D!

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The away end at Whaddon Road is a disgrace.

Will most likely be going to Oxford: it all rather depends on whether we still have a football club or not. Wages unpaid, crippling debts etc etc. I'm very worried. It gets a lot nastier than brushes with relegation.

On a lighter note, I have it in the back of my mind that the Oxford game is a "suited and booted" game for our travelling fans (note: this is better than ladies' day).

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

can I come too?

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Graham Taylor in at Villa! Ferguson to stay at Old Trafford! Grey Army, Grey Army, Grey Army.

Jonnie, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and have the ManYoo players known this for a while? Thus relieving the pressure of having to win it for the boss in his last season and going on their long streak (Until Danny Murphy popped up)unbeaten.

Also Canniggia to be recalled by Argentina?? No wonder Jardel is threatening to quit footy unless he gets called up for Brazil, cos lets face it, there should be a fair few Argentinian forwards ahead of coked up Claudio. Gallardo, Riquelme, Batistuta, Saviola to name but 4. aahhhhhh Saviola.

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It would be a pleasure, Chris.

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...Claudio Lopez, Crespo. Ah, I can't wait for the world cup.

Jonnie, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

even Ariel Ortega who is doing very well back in Argentina now, for River Plate iirc.

Tim, then I may well come along, I need some good, honest football.

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't promise any of those things.

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is the Fergie Stays story definite? If so, biggest story of the season.

Taylor looks silly in comparison, somehow.

Hooray, more bans for Arsenal personnel, more bitterness from Wenger and O'Leary, hooray.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was going to put a bet on Ferguson staying a few weeks ago. Wish I had DER.

N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fergie is "in negotiation" tho I'd say it'll happen as they can't get any of the high profile managers they want right now by the look of it.

Tim, if I can't get good and honest I'll settle for hoofing and dirty.

chris, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Now we're talking.

Tim, Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tottenham 13 - Bolton 2. Why can't every team be Bolton? (they must not be relegated!!!)

jel, Wednesday, 6 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I second the comments of jel. They'll probably still beat us when we go to the reebok later on in the season though.

Anyway....

Cameroon's German coach Winfried Schafer was involved in amazing scenes at the African Nations Cup as his assistant was handcuffed and had his trousers pulled down by the Mali police.

Schafer, 51 and with a shock of blonde hair not unlike that of Spinal Tap's David St. Hubbins (see above), was apprehended together with goalkeeping coach Thomas Nkono as they wandered onto the pitch at the March 26 Stadium prior Cameroon's semi-final match against the host nation.

Around 10 riot police sprinted onto the pitch and began to manhandle the pair, knocking Nkono to the ground and dragging him onto the running track around the pitch before handcuffing him.

As Nkono was led down the players tunnel, he is said to have had his tracksuit bottoms pulled down around his ankles as a stunned Schafer urged photographers to record the scene.

It is likely that the police took exception to what they perceived as a black magic ritual by the Cameroon pair after an object was retrieved from the ground where Schafer and his assistant had been standing.

Jonnie, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

clearly the only thing necessary to be a non-african coach of an african nation is to have a haircut that would get disapproving looks at a michael bolton lookylikey convention...

CarsmileSteve, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ginola to Everton, Jonesy's comments are required here.

chris, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did you hear the Riise and Hamann to Real Madrid rumours Chris?

I presume its bullshit, however I choose to believe the Djorkaeff to Liverpool rumours.

Ronan, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I did indeed Ronan, Riise I can understand Hamann less so, but both have said that they don't want to go, so it's probly agent talk (isn't it always) As for the Djorkaeff rumour, hmmm, what would Liverpool want with him, they've already got one (more)talented thirty something attacking midfielder who's being criminally under- used (Litmanen) so I doubt they should be thinking about signing another. Poor Jari, the man's a genius and Thommo just won't play him.

chris, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ginola to Everton, Jonesy's comments are required here.

Lead story on p301 of Ceefax - that's how I found out about it, switching over from the Davis Cup tennis. Well, I've always liked him and it is the Goodison Way to wait until these gifted performers have matured. With the retirement of Gough, we were in danger of letting the squad's average age dip below 32, so this is a massive boost.

Michael Jones, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He should be good for Big Dunc, assuming the big guy is fit enough to get his bonce on some of Ginola's tempting gallic crosses.

Jonnie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're KIDDING!!

the pinefox, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

About what? Ginola going to Everton or big Dunc being fit?

Jonnie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ginola, Gazza, Richard Gough...Everton = spur's old boys.

jel, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Three different generations of Spurs players appear at Goodison within 2 years. How rubbish are the toffeemen?

Jonnie, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Of course it's also half the old Rangers team. And Management. I stress the old.

Ally C, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, Jesus - can we please revive the old Pinefox thread now? Have Liverpool so much as conceded a league goal since the Red Cabbage started this one? I'm whacking "Liverpool Won't Win The..." straight back to the top of New Answers at 2:55pm next Saturday week.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ha ha ha ha ha my little plan worked! Pinefoxes old thread was obviously a jinx! The reds did look bloody impressive today, even if it was against (an albeit in form) Ipswich. I mean, even Captain Nemo got a goal! Leeds = definitely out of it now, surely? Trevor, your boys let me down, I'm dissapointed.

red cabbage, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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