Fair & Balanced vs. Fake News, or the semantic death of discourse in this bitch

It is a very valid point.

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where fox is "nefarious" isn't in passing off their bs as genuine journalism (and they're a nice punching bag, but msnbc and most of cnn are just as free of journalism in any reasonable sense of the word) it's in the "talk radio" effect of both gradually radicalizing moderate-conservatives (yr uncle who listens to rush and is crazy conservative used to be a goldwater type, probably) and normalizing far-right beliefs (immigration/xenophobia! it's always been around, but the quote-unquote "mainstream" discourse on the issue is a bit further to the right than it woulda been, say, 15 years ago). (oh, and hey, that lou dobbs is on which network again?)

what is "authentic" news??
Do you hate fun??

how many other "popist vs. rockist" memes can we transfer to this debate?

Every time I hear conservatives complain about "the liberal media" I think of this and get angry.

of course, that's been true for every advancement since the sharpened rock (which put a lot of unsharpened-rock dealers out of business). what's interesting about the media right now is that what's happening is happening to everyone all at once. so all these mediums that have seen each other as separate entities, print and audio and video, hourly and daily and weekly and monthly, are all on the same field at once. AND they're not alone out there, there are a bunch of other people there too, doing all kinds of different things. and some of them are connecting, and are forging media networks outside the purview of the Traditional Media, and that makes the Traditional Media kind of freaked the fuck out. so fox news doesn't only register as whether or not it's good journalism, it also registers as, hey, there's somebody who's figured out how to do something. same deal with fake news -- good demographics, someone go bring me some fake news. also with blogs, podcasts, youtube, myspace, all of these things that might be the future or might be sudden fiery doom.

i guess what i mean is, the semantics have gotten scrambled. everybody's having to learn everything all over again, but really fast. sorry, that probably doesn't answer any question. the media is a freaky world right now.

and they don't have a fucking CLUE what works, but to admit they're wrong would be defeat and capitulating to something they're ultimately afraid of.

("some of the greatest newscasts ever have been bland")

In the whole mess, it seems like one of the genuine winners is The Economist, which by the virtue of being a fairly conservative businessman's magazine has been allowed to flourish free of caricaturesque editorial meddling and arch posturing and thus become a hot read for people ranging from me to Ed and lots of people on the DC Metro in between.

I do but don't like it as much as I useta. Gwen Ifill was a good NY Times reporter back in the day but ever since she botched (IMO) her 2004 gig as presidential debate moderator...I don't know, she plays it too cuet sometimes. Of the guests Martha Raddick of ABC news usually dishes good dirt. And I'm down w/you on the News Hour.

ROFL. A "liberal talk" host would never end an interview with "Henry Kissinger, ever'buddy."

Seriously fuck Colbert for doing the White House Correspondents Dinner btw. Sleeping with the enemy.

More like a hatefuck, amirite?

...except that he's absolutely wretched at the talk show part and is better at the entire rest of it. Interviews are not his forte so I'm not sure how you expect this idea to work? I doubt it's even really a confidence issue for Stewart, it's just that he's awful at interviews.

I don't know how oppositional Stewart's politics are, anyway: another reason he might not be the best choice for liberal talk show host. this administration is so off-the-charts unbelievable and the mainstream press is so chickenshit that Stewart ends up being one of the most critical public voices, but he strikes me as pretty moderate, all things considered. Colbert's a sharp enough interviewer for the for-real news talk show host thing, but it would seem a shame for him to give up parody.

What a time capsule of a thread

Anyone in NYC going to this? If so please take notes report back

https://www.fakenewshorrorshow.org/demo-expo/

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