Could you forgive and forget?

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Last week my 15yr old son and I called in to visit some friends. 3 Days later the wife calls and askd if I had seen her jewelry, 5 rings and a watch. She explained that she had taken them off and now they were missing. She asked if I could ask my son if he had seen them, I said I would and that was that. A few hours later she called again asking whether I had asked my son if he had seen her missing jewelry. He hadn't and I was starting to feel a bit "off" at the questions. Anyway she proceded to tell me that she was going to have to go to the police and I just replied with ok. Later that day her husband called and gave me an ultimatum... if the jewelry didn't "turn up" by 9am the following morning the police would be around knocking on my door. I replied with "you do what you have to do!"
Things progressed later that evening when she found her "missing" jewelry in her handbag!
My question is... would you forgive and forget? I am finding it hard to accept the "I'm sorry I upset you" line! I mean they obviously thought my son had stolen the jewelry and what would have happened if she hadn't found them?

alison jones (alisoninoz), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

oooooh ouch.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

Phil OTM - I think I'd be quite pissed off if that was a close friend and they'd immediately jumped to the "your son is a thief" assumption. Ouch indeed.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'd send your son over to play at their house as often as possible. then make him start stealing things. whats she gonna do... accuse him again???

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

i guess a more serious answer is to not let this ruin your children's friendship.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

Forgiving is fine, but forgetting would be stupid (and probably not possible). I guess I'd hesitate to bring my son back there if he was regarded with suspicion for no reason other than he was there and he was 15.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

milk her guilt for all it's worth and start snatching

lf (lfam), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

I can imagine she was pretty upset about losing her jewels but that's no excuse. Are people quicker to judge these days or what? Frankly it's making me cross just thinking about it so i think you're remarkably calm headed.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Are these friends of your son's or friends of yours? If they're friends of yours and don't have a teenager of their own, they might be suspicious of all teenagers (and maybe have reason to be, who knows)?

She basically called your son a crook without even looking in her own handbag? She sounds a little, er, highly strung. I suspect I'd be giving their house a wide berth in future.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'd have her filed under "mentalist" and deal with her accordingly in the future.

It would be great, however, if your son had indeed stolen the jewellery, but then when he realised that the heat was on he broke into her house and planted the loot back in her bag.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

tsk

estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sue your friend for defamation of your son's character.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Somewhat pointless and costly if said defamation wasn't done in public, in front of independent witnesses.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'd give her a wide berth in future. Perhaps this wouldn't be the "right" thing to do, but I'm sure I'd have a hard time getting over that.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

me too, i'd dump these people.

estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Accuse her of stealing everything you've lost.

S- (sgh), Thursday, 4 May 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

inc yr virginity!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for all of your replies guys. I think I just needed to reinforce the feelings I was feeling were "justified" as a mutual friend is trying to encourage me to "get over it"! Thing is I can't!
Luckily for them I am a really down to earth, calm person and not someone who "goes off" when things happen!

In answer to a few of your questions, they have 3 children the eldest is only 11 so friends of ours, not my son's.

My son is no angel! He gets up to mischief just like any other teenager, I am lucky that we have a great relationship and he talks to me, which I think is a missing link in most parent/teenager relationship.
I am also angry with myself because for a moment I questioned his honesty and questioned his capability of doing it in the first place when I knew deep down he didnt do it!

alison jones (alisoninoz), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

Same bitch ass thing happened to me recently with my whack sister. She accused me of stealing a large check she received from a real estate settlement. It was later found. She apologized but our relationship will never be the same.

Esteban Does Not Have A Small Dick (Esteban Does Not Have A Small), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

as a mutual friend is trying to encourage me to "get over it"! Thing is I can't!

Mutual friends are always saying crap like this. Because if you fall out with these people, then your mutual friends' lives are going to become slightly more difficult, so it's easier for them if everyone just gets along.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Trish OTM.

Logic often goes out the window during Find It panics: some order can be restored. If the jewellery was really missing from the house she'd have had to go to the police regardless - it's compulsory for insurance shit (your son might feel a little better if he doesn't take this aspect of it so personally in context).

Once the absent-minded jewellery owner has calmed down, explain that the false accusation really hurt your son's feelings but as long as she apologises unreservedly to the boy it's all gravy. Then when the boy gets his apology (who's gonna say no to that?) he will have the opportunity to say that his mother was also let down, and probably deserves an apology too, particularly from Mr. X (he should be respectful and use their titles here). When you're talking, de-emphasise your own emotions in favour of your son's for tactical reasons, and say 'boy' rather than 'teenager' to emphasise the youth aspect.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

this situation really sucks terribly, but i do think suzy's advice seems the most reasonable way through this. i dont know if i could ever come back 100% to my relationship with this person as it was before this happened, but suzy's advice seems like the only way to get things to the point where you can start to move past them.

ugh, that's pretty bad.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

It's also a better longterm thing to show a kid you can manage a delicate and difficult situation with a degree of tact and diplomacy, while getting them to participate and set them on the learning curve about dealing with human failings (and feelings) that way.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

It's been 2 weeks, the "absent-minded jewellery owner might have calmed down but I haven't!

They have made no effort to get in touch and appologise to my son. I got a "sorry, I didn't mean to upset you" appology over the phone when she rung to tell me she found her jewels! Not a "sorry I accused your son of theft AND went to the police to report him!

Sorry Suzy, forgiveness still hasn't come to me!

alison jones (alisoninoz), Monday, 8 May 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

People that quick to blame when they haven't even checked their fucking handbag make pretty shit friends, ditch her.

This cunted circus never ends... (papa november), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

Just sever all contact until your son gets his apology. Nothing lost whichever way it goes.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

"They have made no effort to get in touch and appologise to my son."

If they're that scared to talk to you, even in regard to something that obvious, they may have given up on reclaiming the friendship before you have.

Camtron (Cameron), Monday, 8 May 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, they totally fucked up and they are aware of it and are too weak in the face of that knowledge to contact you or your son. Since they are not making the right moves, it becomes your call to make - to phone them and reestablish relations or to drop them.

Try not to decide what to do based on anger. Anger is good for motivating yourself to defend against an attack. The attack is over and any residual anger is useless. As for forgiving and forgetting, these two are entirely seperate issues. It seems pointless to me to forget. Forgiveness is hard, but usually worthwhile. This incident doesn't appear to rise to the level of an unforgiveable offense, as I measure these things.

You might want to talk this over with your son. He is the one whose forgiveness is crucial. By talking to him you will find your own best nature and share it with him. That will help both of you.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 8 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

if the jewelry didn't "turn up" by 9am the following morning the police would be around knocking on my door. I replied with "you do what you have to do!"

alison if you were satisfied your son hadn't stolen it, and said as much to this woman, how could you be so chill about police showing up at yr door??

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

i guess if she was really your friend it might have been hard even at that point to really believe she was trying to implicate your son and you thought if you could help with the policework it's the least you could do? i dunno i feel like i would have been like "MAYBE YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR HEARING, FRIEND"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Not a parent myself, but I think Aimless is right. How has your son taken it? It sounds like most of the confrontation was between you and the parents, so presumably he was fairly insulated. If they somehow got to him directly during the process, and he's still hurting over it, then it might be worth you reaching out to them, explaining how upset he is, and suggesting an apology to him would be helpful. That would also give them another chance to show whether/how sorry they were. Personally I can easily imagine being SO mortified by such a mistake that I would feel uncomfortable trying to reach out to you.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 8 May 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Uncomfortable, yes, but I would understand that I was the one who was in the wrong and therefore it is my job to make all the running when it comes to apologies and so on.

Of course it's possible that they're too embarrassed to try and contact you. This is where your oh-so-helpful mutual friends could actually help out. You could (if you wanted to) let it slip that an apology might be accepted if it was offered, and see what happens.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)


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