― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 5 May 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 5 May 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Man Man (kenan), Friday, 5 May 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)
― oops (Oops), Friday, 5 May 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 May 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)
What I can say is that gas prices being what they are now ($3.10 per gallon for regular), I cannot justify owning a car. I am (very) lucky that this is a choice (b/c I live in a place w/ public transit). My friends in North Carolina have no choice at all. And that's the case for most of the country.
When I last had a car (2 years ago), I was APALLED that I had to pay $2.25 for a gallon of gas. With the subsequent jumps in price, I've grown numb to horror.
― Whispy Fandango Triphop (unclejessjess), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)
― oops (Oops), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)
The other thing is that in places like the uk tax takes p 80% of the cost of fuel and is assessed by energy content so a doubling in the underlying cost of fuel only amounts to a 20% rise. In the US where taxes are more typically in the 20% range a doubling amounts to an 80% rise.
xpost,
the Ragget cycle runs on Ragget
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)
― oops (Oops), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)
One day, sometime, everyone on ILX who has known me and seen my posts for years will spell my last name correctly. ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)
i may be in your are next month.
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)
― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)
― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)
I'm glad Americans are bitching about it, because apparently the bitching is taking the form of considering alternatives, which is something I wouldn't have given many Americans credit for doing.
Incidentally, Canadian gas prices have gone up even higher than the equivalent of $3.10US a gallon... at least $1.10CAN a litre now?
― DOQQUN (donut), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)
This typo could go one of two ways.
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)
*OK, we'll go metric, but we're not going to spell it your way)
― dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (Hahaha Great Minds Etc) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/byprice.exclude.html
(and a longer list from March 05):
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)
― dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)
Of course, a lot of wage-earners whose real wages are stagnant will find that they can't afford to drive to work anymore, and can't afford the rents closer to the city centers either, so they'll have to take lower-paying jobs close to home or move in and be rent-poor, causing a lot of genuine economic pain and disruption, maybe bankruptcies, foreclosures, that sort of thing, as gas prices continue to rise. But, um, yay environment and boo Republicans, I suppose.
There are indeed some things that Americans should be paying a lot more for. Like gasoline, or even food.
I, too, look forward to making our poor people poorer.
― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)
I know there's a certain crass demographic that will continue to buy huge cars and build huge houses just to flaunt it, even more fun now that rising fuel bills put those trophies out of reach of the merely middling-wealthy. But those things will be relics, soon.
Middle class drivers are feeling the pinch, sure, but now the car manufacturers are compelled to change, as they were in the 70's. Ford will crank out a passel of crap Focuses, to be sure, the Pinto of our day, but more hybrids are on the way, too, and when they start trickling down into the used-car lots we'll all be better off.
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)
People became accustomed to high gas prices (and those lines!) in the 70s, and how much improvement in fuel efficiency have we really seen since then? Only after sustained high price levels will auto manufacturers get their fingers out of their ass (as opposed to just cooking MPG calculations however they can and advertising them prominently). And only after that might the US see the kinds of structural improvements that will ween it off cars.
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)
According to this IEA fact sheet, if efficiency savings had not been made since 1973 the world would be using 50% more energy at the present time.
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)
Okay, so I stand corrected, mostly. Although I would also like to see figures for the number of automobiles in key countries from 1973 to 2006. The rate of growth in Russia and the former Soviet Union, for example, would have skyrocketed over that period.
Whatever - I guess it's hard to argue with "This shows that the oil price shocks in the 1970s and the resulting energy policies did considerably more to control growth in energy demand and CO2 emissions than energy efficiency and climate policies implemented in the 1990s." All we need are some real energy policies (aside from tax rebates to Exxon/Mobil and Chevron).
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)
does "driving" include trucks/semis/lorries or just passenger cars?
― oops (Oops), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)
So because fuel average fuel efficiency in the US is so low through consumer choice big strides can be made without technological advancement.
Sorry to dumb everything down but, here you're basically just saying that the US vehicle fleet is heavy on low-MPG SUVs and we make improvements simply by people switching to Honda Accords, not to speak of Priuses.
― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 5 May 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 5 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)