the age of fakeyness

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-- i heard a report on the radio tonight about the south korean doctor who faked the clone research, and i just thought, why is it that faking and plagiarism are such major obsessions right now? james frey, jayson blair, kaavya viswanathan, why the persistence of this theme? it's "truthiness," ok, i got that, but why?

-- there's a new horror movie that they've got ads for on tv and the ads play it up as basically a reality tv show -- 6 people enter a spooky house inhabited by a psychopath (a christian psychopath at that), HOW MANY WILL SURVIVE?

-- there are very interesting science-fiction-level things happening all around us, and i think people are fascinated by it and also scared shitless. i think whatever those changes are, those are the things that people are reacting to with all the plagiarism hysteria. (not that plagiarism isn't a problem, blah blah blah, but c'mon there's a reason certain things suddenly seem important at certain times.) a lot of it comes down to knowing who to trust, which is suddenly in play on a scale nobody's ever dealt with before.

-- it's also possible that this is just all how it's always been. anyway, courtney love understands this stuff. she's like the high priestess of it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

and in the form of a question,

wtf is going on?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

Doctors be frontin'.

Kenneth Anger Management (noodle vague), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

I would argue first that plagiarism and fakery fascinate media professionals even more than they do the oridnary media audience. People in the business with half a brain are acutely aware of how many aspects of every story are faked or hyped, at least to some small degree.

Media pros are also aware that fakery is introduced into stories in the name of making them more entertaining, engaging and understandable to the audience - and this is demonstrably so, since glitzier, flashier, more hyped presentations tend to be rewarded with bigger audiences, more attention and more money.

Therefore, their profession is one of those areas where the "slippery slope" argument is both operative and justified. If a little more hype gets a little more reward, then everyone is in an "arms race" toward blatant, conscienceless fakery. So, they watch this progression accelerating and are utterly fascinated by it.

Next, the ordinary audience is also aware of this unfortunate trend, however much they are easily hooked by it, so they, too, suspect that they are willing dupes of the media and distrust it. These news stories of plagiarism and fakery fascinate them, because it confirms their suspicions, while never actually stepping outside the mediated space they distrust.

All in all the story of "media courageously tells truth and exposes itself as liar" is too deliciously fraught with spectacle and irony to refuse. Until it gets old and becomes yesterday's news or such old hat one can only yawn over it.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.unmuseum.org/piltdown.htm

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://getoffourisland.com/

JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

The increasing ubiquity of access to information has made the common practices of cheating and lying easier to notice, and resultingly lends the appearance of an values epidemic.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

As to that first point, I'd describe this more as "the age of getting caught at yr fakeyness."

I mean, our overall levels of fakeyness have surely dropped over the course of the last century. Look far enough back in history, and you reach a point where facts -- especially the ones that established personal identity -- just weren't fixed and available. You get fakeness of spectacle (P.T. Barnum), and flim-flam and snake-oil, and hoaxes everywhere, most of them believed, but that's just the beginning of it: think of the personal aspect! One thing that amazes me is that up until not so long ago, a person's identity couldn't be much confirmed beyond how that person acted in the moment. So history is full of people who just moved a few hundred miles over -- just so far as no one would know them -- and successfully claimed to be someone else. A European with the right manners could invent himself a title and join society. An American wanted for murder could move to the next state and establish himself as a family man.

I dunno; I think we're at a low point in fakery. We're very conscious of it now, in a way people didn't used to be; it's a cliche to say that Americans' bullshit detectors have gotten a lot better, but it's true. Right now I think we've just entered a moment where (a) the world is big and complicated enough for one person to think one little lie isn't going to make much of a splash, plus (b) the world is big and complicated enough that it'll find that splash and shine a lot of light on it.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda

also see ethan trifemagic's thread on O'Reilly's imaginary war against Christmas.

the point about the disruptive "sci-fi" technology all around is a good one, but don't forget how much we've been deceived by all of our leaders, our businesses, the pople who serve us meat at lunch, etc. they're all liars! I think making a big big fuss over discovering that we've been told a little white lie, like Blair or Frey or that woman who put the finger in her chili @ Wendy's, makes people a little more comofrtable, it's better than trying to cope with the totality of all the other lies we're told daily and just have to accept. It feels good to have some outrage we can use, Frey is a perfect example.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

what's the point of having a powerfully tuned bullshit detector when you can't show it off? "Hey, man, you lied about Iraq!" "I DIDN'T!!!!" Totally unsatisfying.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Oprah'll have a good time telling a little pussy like Frey what a damn liar he is. Let's see Oprah go after some fucking creationists who want to teach Bible myths in school! Uh oh, too real.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

and easier to check, too. a lot of plagiarizing is getting caught with simple google searches.

part of it is basically a fight over power, i think, who gets to tell the "real" story, who can be trusted. there are a lot of competing agendas, with people trying to discredit one source of information or another, and the easiest way to do that is to uncover fabrication or theft of one kind or another.

but then there's the flipside too, the fascination with the fakery and the fakers. speaking to (i guess) our implicit knowledge that we are ourselves all fakers to one degree or another, the way we construct identities and personas and so forth (which has obviously been aided/abetted/exacerbated by the internet).

xpost: I think we're at a low point in fakery.

that's interesting. i made kind of the same argument to a friend a while ago after one journalism scandal or another. he was suggesting that journalism was increasingly untrustworthy, and i was arguing that actually there's probably less fabrication and plagiarism going on now than ever, exactly because people are so aware of it. (to the extent of near-witchhunts in some cases; at some point, people are going to have to accept that there are only so many straightforward ways to say, "The Fed raised rates a quarter-point again on Wednesday.") i mean, if you go back and read some of the classic golden-age journalism stuff, and also the classic "new journalism" stuff (in cold blood, hello), you see narrative tricks and obvious liberties that would almost certainly set off alarm bells now. but then the question is why? why is it so important to us now, in a way it wasn't 50 years ago? is it just a function of people being more aware of how the media works, or also tied to deeper anxieties about major shifts in the world that are more felt than understood?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

(the first part there was a multiple xpost, to polyphonic)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

This might not be a very good connection, but between this thread and the Kogan thread where the debate over superwords lead to Authentic vs. Fake vsvs Convincing vs. Unconvincing--and I'm thinking about Piltdown and PT Barnum and don't weWE like to be fooled? David Blaine vs. Alien Autopsy vs The Onion vs. Weekly World News vs. Bill O'Reilly
aka Tombot otm.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

tied to deeper anxieties about major shifts in the world that are more felt than understood?

we might be at a low point in fakery regarding the quality thereof, or how much people believe stuff, but we're kind of a at the tiptop peak in human history of fakery by volume. That's what gave us the suspicions and the instinctive distrust, but now we're overwhelmed. Can't ANYBODY be straightforward? Do I really have to think about EVERY purchase, EVERYTHING I read? It's a lot easier when you can flip on Keith Olbermann, imagine he has no agenda because he's on MSNBC instead of Fox, and rest the critical analysis gland for a while.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I mean snopes.com for crying out loud.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

You start reading some of those articles and you basically give up.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

i just recently learned water doesn't actually swirl backwards down the drain in australia.

i feel like everything i know about the world is now in question.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

i just recently learned water doesn't actually swirl backwards down the drain in australia

Wait, WHAT??

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

More than maybe an age of fakeyness, maybe it's an age of suspicion, starting, O.Stone would have us believe, with the JFK assassination and then the moon landing, and people started choosing to openly disbelieve (or maybe goes back to Ludd?) random stuff, and create selective alternate histories of the universe and now, it's not even about evidence or probability it's about "values".

See also,
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/158648348X.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

though disbelieve Nick Hornby blurb at yr own discretion

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

laurel, i know. i swear i was taught that by science teachers, ffs. (see here, toward the bottom of the page.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

lends the appearance of an values epidemic

So, in effect, you are saying that the news of an epidemic of of media fakery has been shamelessly overhyped?

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

mumbo jumbo has always been in charge

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

NO, I'm saying I was taught that, too!! Is it not the case that water forms opposite-direction-swirling miniature tornadoes in Oz? Crushed. I am crushed.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

obligatory reference to Gnosticism and the recent discovery of the gospel of Judas, etc the Matrix 13th Floor yada yada

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Crushed. I am crushed.

i was too. (there's even a whole episode of the simpsons about it! if we can't trust matt groening...)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

That's spot-on about old journalism, Gypsy, and I think the important thing that's been lost is trust. I feel like up to a certain point there was a basic trust in (e.g.) journalists as skilled professionals, the details of whose work wasn't within the layman's purview (like, say, doctors; you don't ask how the doctor's going to remove your appendix, you just trust). They could take technical liberties in telling a story not because the public approved of those specific liberties, but because the public just trusted them implicitly. That trust could be good or bad, really -- but these days our public trust in "professionals" as a category has more or less dissipated. We have more and more of a sense of alternate ways of getting at a truth (which demolishes that trust in the same way it would if a second doctor came into the room and told you the first one was making the incision wrong). We have more of a sense of media as having an agenda, of making an argument in and of itself (to the point where intentionally agenda-driven news is somehow popular). Etc etc, all the usual stuff here.

But go back in time far enough, to a point where people weren't informed, didn't have sources of information, were more often uneducated and untraveled, and lived (basically) in much smaller worlds, especially ones in which professionals were rare, and yeah, you quickly reach a point where there was an implicit trust in anyone with any sort of professional authority-type position. Presumably because there was only one thing to be skeptical about, and if you were skeptical about it then you believed in nothing! Easy to be choosy now, but if you lived in a little farm town and the only visitor all year was a snake-oil salesman with a fancy suit and some complicated-sounding books ... it's kinda believe that or be crazy.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

and so it's healthier now, right? skepticism is good? i think i believe that. the challenge is that (cue a zillion post-modernist essays) skepticism undermines everybody's authority, the control of the narrative -- and of the facts -- can't be assumed by anyone anymore, and so all the "rational" skepticism has to also contend with Bible-based skepticism, astrology-based skepticism, intuition-based skepticism, etc.

i mean, some of what ivy league conservatives perceive and complain about post-modernism is true -- relativism really does make it hard to make firm judgments about anything. (where they're wrong of course is in thinking that relativism was somehow invented by french intellectuals, instead of just being mapped and analyzed by them.) otoh, of course, we still can make actual judgments, they just have to be more careful and provisional than before, and learning how to do it takes time. (time that will be filled by all the legions of snake-oil salesmen, who have always known opportunity when they see it.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

...and scene

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)


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