Nagourney Suggests a New Strategy for the Dems. It's the same as the old strategy: Don't win.

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May 14, 2006
The Nation
Hey Democrats, Why Win?
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

WASHINGTON

DEMOCRATS are all but breaking out the Champagne. Republicans are divided and disheartened; President Bush's poll numbers seem to be in free fall. Many Democrats are talking not only about victory in November but about what they will do once Congress is in their hands.

Such talk may well be premature. Election Day is six months away, and the party has lost many a winning hand. But here is a slightly heretical question, being asked only partly in jest right now: Is it really in the best interest of the Democratic Party to win control of the House and Senate in November? Might the party's long-term fortunes actually be helped by falling short?

As strange as it might seem, there are moments when losing is winning in politics. Even as Democrats are doing everything they can to win, and believe that victory is critical for future battles over real issues, some of the party's leading figures are also speculating that November could represent one of those moments.

From this perspective, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world politically to watch the Republicans struggle through the last two years of the Bush presidency. There's the prospect of continued conflict in Iraq, high gas prices, corruption investigations, Republican infighting and a gridlocked Congress. Democrats would have a better chance of winning the presidency in 2008, by this reasoning, and for the future they enhance their stature at a time when Republicans are faltering.

Indeed, some Democrats worry that the worst-case scenario may be winning control of Congress by a slim margin, giving them responsibility without real authority. They might serve as a foil to Republicans and President Bush, who would be looking for someone to share the blame. Democrats need a net gain of 6 seats in the Senate, and 15 seats in the House. "The most politically advantageous thing for the Democrats is to pick up 11, 12 seats in the House and 3 or 4 seats in the Senate but let the Republicans continue to be responsible for government," said Tony Coelho, a former House Democratic whip. "We are heading into this period of tremendous deficit, plus all the scandals, plus all the programs that have been cut. This way, they get blamed for everything."

Mr. Coelho quickly added, "Obviously, from a party point of view we want to get in and do things, but I'm talking about the ideal political thing."

Of course, no Democrat is going so far as to say that he or she hopes the party fails, and party leaders are doing everything they can to avoid this outcome.

Some especially prominent leaders described such talk as wrong and counterproductive.

"I don't buy the argument that we'd be better off if we almost got there and didn't win a majority in either house," Bill Clinton, the former president, said in an interview. "I think when you suit up you've got to try to win, and I hope we will win because we will get better public policy and it'll be better for America."

What might happen if Democrats take over? Americans clearly prefer a bipartisan government — by 49 percent to 29 percent, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll released last week.

But the worry among some Democrats is that a thin majority breeds not compromise but inaction, and that could turn off voters just as much as single-party rule has. Republicans, on the other hand, would get a welcome reprieve, said Martin Frost, a former House member from Texas who has led the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

"They don't have to worry about passing anything," Mr. Frost said, "and it gives them freedom to be critics. There's a certain liberating aspect of being in the minority in the short term, but I don't recommend it in the long term."

Another worry is whether some Democrats would use their power in what could be perceived as payback against Republicans. Party leaders like Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader, have talked of investigations into allegations of malfeasance across all parts of the Bush administration.

Some Democrats argue that such investigations are long overdue in order to expose and correct a pattern of abuses by the administration. But others differ.

"Revenge — that's what we have to avoid," said Joe Andrews, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, adding that it's dangerous to talk "about what are you going to do to the guys you beat, as opposed to what are you going to do for the people."

"If the first thing that happens is a series of investigations, or committee restructurings, it will clearly sour people on the party and make it more difficult to win in 2008," he said. "As a practical matter would Democrats be able to restrain themselves?"

Bob Kerrey, the former Democratic senator from Nebraska who is president of the New School, put it another way.

"It's going to be very difficult to lead, because the loudest voices in both parties will be those that feel the strongest about their certitude," he said. "That's going to be the left: Impeach him! Investigate him!"

The party would also be under increased pressure to come up with its own solutions to the problems afflicting the country: what to do in Iraq, how to deal with high gas prices and the budget deficit.

"I'm sure that the Bush people will try to put some conservative bills before them to make Democrats shoot them down," said Philip A. Klinkner, a professor of government at Hamilton College. President Bush would "start using his veto pen and cutting spending bills — he'd try to show Democrats are for raising taxes and spending."

The new Democratic leaders will also find themselves under new scrutiny. On "Meet the Press" last Sunday, Ms. Pelosi, who would become speaker if Democrats take back the House, came across as tentative and halting when questioned about her party's plans. Even though Ms. Pelosi enjoys notable support in her party, her performance was panned even by fellow Democrats. "I was screaming at the TV as if it were Bush being interviewed," wrote Stephen Kaus, a lawyer and contributor to huffingtonpost.com, a liberal blog.

Democrats these days look back to 1994, when Republicans took over Congress, as inspiration for why the party can take over today. Equally instructive might be the experience the Republican Party had after it took power for what turned out to be two tumultuous years marked by the House's shutdown of government.

The transition from being the critic out of power to being the leader proved difficult. That is a lesson that at least some Democrats are thinking about today, even as they put their Champagne on ice.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

(that's from NYTimes, btw: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/weekinreview/14nagourney.html?_r=1&oref=login&pagewanted=print)

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I saw that yesterday. There's a certain perverse appeal to it but I'm not convinced.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

what dishonest rovian bullshit

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

the subtext seems to be that the dems would be powerless to improve shit if they won in november.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah apparently govt is no longer about actually doing stuff, just winning big elections

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

'dems cant win congress - if voters actually find out what we're like theres no way we can take 08!!'

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

You know, the reason I was hoping Democrats might take over Congress soon is to see them start to REGAIN CONTROL OF THE FUCKING RUNAWAY TRAIN THAT IS OUR NATION RIGHT NOW!!! If they don't think they can at least make slight improvements/keep things from getting even worse, then FUCK THEM, honestly.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Some Democrats worry that the worst-case scenario may be winning control of Congress by a slim margin, giving them responsibility without real authority.

But don't you think this is true? With Bush in the White House, I don't see much change for progressive change, do you? It's not as if the man has showed any interest in compromising even within his own party or inner circle, why would you expect him to do anything but block liberal moves in Congress. Yes, maybe they can block some things. I don't know all the ins-and-outs well enough to say how much numercial control vs. a large blocking minority changes things.

Anyway, I think all of this talk about the Dems taking back Congress is baloney. We've heard it before, and it never happens.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see much change for progressive change, do you? It's not as if the man has showed any interest in compromising even within his own party or inner circle, why would you expect him to do anything but block liberal moves in Congress.

Wait, so if it's not going to be true progressive change, you'd rather just have Republican control? You don't think, say, blocking radical right judicial nominees or avoiding stupid immigration bills is good enough?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nancy (We Won't Impeach the Criminal) Pelosi sure inspires me...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

(it's really that dingbat Tony Coelho's suggestion btw)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Another worry is whether some Democrats would use their power in what could be perceived as payback against Republicans. Party leaders like Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader, have talked of investigations into allegations of malfeasance across all parts of the Bush administration.

stupid bullshit talking point. Tim russert was grilling nancy pelosi on the same exact shit. having any sorta investigations or oversight into five years of fucking up and fucking around is nothing more than "payback" and petty revenge.

also, Nagourney has a history of buying into this bullshit e.g. his coverage of Kerry two years ago.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, so if it's not going to be true progressive change, you'd rather just have Republican control? You don't think, say, blocking radical right judicial nominees or avoiding stupid immigration bills is good enough?

No, what I'm saying is that I'm not convinced that having a slight, nominally Democratic majority after these elections is necessarily going to be any better than a slight, nominally Democratic minority.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the Best Case Scenario for the last 2 years of Dubya-Dick a legislative stalemate?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

One would think..

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

nagourney has been an utter cock for years

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

always with the self-defeating hand-wringing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

here's a question for the oldsters - can you guys remember a time when political reporting WASN'T 100% strategy/horserace stories? whether it's in the heat of a campaign or in nagourney's doldrums between races the debates and positions of candidates are NEVER reported except in the context of how they will "play"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.adamnagourney.com/

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

my impression is that the horse-race stuff is more prevalent now, but i'd have to go back and look at stories from 20-30 years ago to compare. the funny thing about that nagourney story is it was followed the next day by a story about how disenchanted some religious-right types are with bush (i guess because the nation does not yet start the day with a compulsory reading of the 10 commandments), and one of the right-wing strategists was saying it would be good for them to lose a house of congress this fall because it would give them something to rally around/against. so basically nobody wants to win. which is kind of understandable, i guess, given the way things are.

it does drive me crazy that something like the nsa phone-tapping thing comes out, and instead of just collective moral outrage the democrats get all "nuanced" and the discussion is all about who it will help/hurt in november. instead of about, like, massive constitutional violations.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://fusionanomaly.net/starwarschessgame.jpg
"I suggest a new strategy, R2..."

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

can you decode that for people who aren't star wars geeks?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

("...Let the Wookie win.")

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that's a good point, the subtext of nagourney's thing is that the repubs are so fucking fearsome that the democrats should be careful what they wish for. puhleeez.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

The most disturbing subtext, Star Wars aside, is that the Democrats don't actually want to govern.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Things are bad now = Dems shouldn't try to get TOO elected so they can blame the Republicans.

So then what happens when things get good again?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

the subtext of nagourney's thing is I-and-some-Dems-I-talk-to-are-so-psychologically-unprepared-to-lose-(and-to-lose-even-if-we-win-electorally-)because-we-always-think-we're-going-to-win-no-matter-the-evidence-to-the-contrary-so-must-second-guess-what-constitutes-losing-and-winning-so-that-if-we-actually-lose-we-can-pretend-to-ourselves-we-won-(and-if-we-actually-win-we-can-avoid-the-fear-of-losing-by-pretending-we-lost).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

none of that has to do with being prepared to govern, which Congressional Dems certainly are

(I'm all for losing Pelosi as a spokesperson, tho - replace her on tv with Jane Harman now)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

So then what happens when things get good again?

That is the best counterargument to all this. The real subtext, I think, is that the Democrats are (legitimately) afraid that, just under the surface, people still prefer Republican policies -- especially vs. their "we aren't Republicans" approach. If you're only going to get one shot every twenty years, better to get the Presidency than squander it.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

the public doesn't prefer "Republican policies" and Dems aren't afraid that they do. the public does not necessarily prefer, however, liberal policies, and some Dems are afraid to admit the possibility that they don't.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think people want to believe in human goodness and in their own goodness. By goodness, I don't only mean moral virtue, but also ability and a particular national identity and destiny. I don't think the left has the luxury of being entirely anti-establishment because the position of the United States in the world has changed. This is different from being centrist.

youn (youn), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

riiiiight.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
what does that mean, nrq?

this should be of interest to some of you

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Pelosi doesn't want the Maj Leader post?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

of course she wants it

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

then why is "Min Whip Steny Hoyer viewed as the Maj Ldr-in waiting"? Has Pelosi lost some credibility with the party that I'm not aware of...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't aware that he was so viewed, but yes she's been criticized lately for being ineffective at the public side of the job

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

see recent dailykos poll for instance approving of Dean and Reid but not her (or much less so her)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

interesting.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 June 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mytakeonthings.com/images/pelosi.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 9 June 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mytakeonthings.com/images/pelosi.jpg

of course she wants it

Dan (Hahaha Oh No) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 June 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060609/ap_on_go_co/democrats_murtha

(this draws the logical conclusion that Pelosi would go for Speaker, rather than majority leader)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 June 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)


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