Tony Blair says "vast bulk of prisoners should be deported whatever the dangers in their home nations"

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"In the vast bulk of cases, as was explained, there will be an automatic presumption now to deport - and the vast bulk of those people will be deported," he said.
"Those people, in my view, should be deported irrespective of any claim that they have that the country to which they are going back may not be safe.
"That is why it is important, if necessary, that we look at legislating to ensure that such an automatic presumption applies."

David Cameron claims Blair is "Rattled".

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Cunt. We need to get back to the idea of restorative justice, now. I hope he doesn't manange to ammend the guman rights act or if he does he gets hoisted up by the European court of Human rights.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Why does immigration seem to have become such a big issue in recent years?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, when the Irish came over at the start of the 20th century the media never had a problem with them.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well I don't remember much talk about it in the late 80s or early 90s.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_test

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Immigration has been mcuh highter in the 90s and 00s

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

we need to get 'back' to the idea of restorative justice?

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

ts: deportation vs. rotting in the lovely british prison system

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha yeah but really it's BOTH.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

next step: deport native prisoners too... to AUSTRALIA.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Russia's been complaining about its shrinking population...

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

ts: deportation vs. rotting in the lovely british prison system

OTM

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tony Blair is a cunt.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

In populist headline-chasing terms, the stable door is on this thread, and the horse is somewhere behind David Tennant and 400 Cybermen in a parallel universe.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Where can we deport war criminals to?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992298.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4988816.stm

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=1831&&&edition=1&ttl=20060518014149

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any criminal implication in me saying I hope somebody shoots Blair in the face tomorrow?

― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

OK, we've never had a progressive rehabilitative justice system, but we have in the past had the idea that a sentence allows a criminal to pay his debt to society. It is somewhat undermining of the whole system if we say to some people, you've paid you debt to society but now we're going to ship you off to somewhere where very likely you will be tortured, murdered etc.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

Should we decimate the rest of the prison population and maybe torture another 10 % just to keep lags on their toes?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

Who wants a sweepstake on how long it takes wither the Daily Mail or the Tory Party takes that last post up as a policy?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

It would of course included a televised prime-time lottery show to decide who gets tortured. With probably a phone-in vote too. "Who gets their soles caned until they can't walk? Dennis the Fraudster or Pete the Nonce? YOU decide!"

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

You keep omplaining you can't get a different job and here you are perfect for the job of Sky One's Factual Comissioning Editor.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah, though you're going to need to work on how non-UK citizens might be 're'habilitated to the UK. deporting a number of foreign prisoners was standard, and not terribly controversial.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

That BBC forums link is depressing

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

The great British public is depressing.

― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

Come to think of it, seeing as Blair has been happy to help out the US gov in its efforts to deport people to torture-friendly countries, this shouldn't come as a surprise.

― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well he only cares about what's being seen to be done, not people having their testicles stomped on, so it really isn't a surprise.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

The way British law is conducted at grass-roots level (dealings with the average cop, say) seems designed to add to a climate of fear and prejudice. You should know that whenever police have dealings with a furreigner their first question is always 'immigration status' and when this is asked with obvious menace or intimidation, you've been treated like shit from the get-go, in a way the vast majority will never be. All furreigners legally in the country are registered with the police and have to furnish the local police station with their new address whenever they move for the first five years they're resident in the UK. Those with ILR do not have to register.

When the Government is not busy capitulating to Daily Mail readers, decisions about repatriation after sentencing/serving one's time usually take into account factors like available family support in the UK just like any other decision relating to ex-offenders or immigrants.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Deportation to countries deemed safe and lacking workforce (hello Russia) might be good...except of course those countries are even more anti-immigration than the UK.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

My friend (and Ed's and Nick's, N has known him since they were teenagers) who's been here since he was a little boy and is now threatened with deportation would probably argue that the best place for ex-offenders is where their families can keep an eye on them, not thousands of miles away from them. Before this brouhaha he was never given any reason to believe that he would be treated any differently than a naturalised Briton once he served his time. That's why this stinks SOOOO bad.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yes we have always deported foreigners but we have never done so if they would be put at risk by doing so.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

russia isn't safe

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

it's probably defined as 'safe'. tony blair has gone characteristically wrong by making a blanket tabs-pleasing statement, but i don't see a problem with deporting non-UK citizen prisoners with minimal ties to UK back to safe countries. a home office dept somewhere will have to go through to check that in each case the perp isn't good people with family here etc.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

Tony Blair - The Keebler Elf who lost favor

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

It struck me as the ravings of a lunatic. Surely even Daily Mail readers think so. It reminds me of Thatcher biggying up General Pinochet, on the screw-loose alert front.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think it's lunacy (you might well argue that the justice system failure to rehabilitate is irrevocable or just not working and risking released murderers murdering again is just as batshit), it's just very right wing!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

Thats on FOX isn't it?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

This may mean they will (as they should) take a less draconian stance in the case of Suzy's friend.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

surely it depends on the crime too. i'm guessing the friend in question is not and has never been an axe-wielding homicidal maniac.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Britain. Welcome to America!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

I can't find the quote but Blair did say in PMQs yesterday that there would be exceptions made for people who had lived in the UK for a very long time and had served relatively short prison sentences, or words to that effect.
This may mean they will (as they should) take a less draconian stance in the case of Suzy's friend.

-- Onimo (gerry.wat...), May 18th, 2006.

yes that's right -- blair was giving the mail what they want but the HO will have to implement and there's no way they'd be as sweeping as blair.

dunno abt axe-wielding -- think it was gbh?

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Britain. Welcome to America!

I don't think we would be welcome would we?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

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