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You know, like on planes and stuff. I have to go on a couple this September.

When I was younger, I liked window seats, so I could look out. Then when I was old enough to drink, I perferred aisle seats so I could get out to go to the loo ASAP.

Now my dad has booked me all window seats. Perhaps I can spend the whole time looking at clouds. Perhaps I can get some tranquilisers and go on the nod without anyone clambering over me.

Also... reassure me that flying is safe and no one is going to attempt a "five years after 9/11" aniversary bombing or anything.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Flying is safe.

Aisle seats are best for us longlegged folk. (you're quite tall too iirc)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Short flight: Window. I never use the loo and hate getting up for people that do. Long flight: aisle.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

It's all short(ish) flights as my dad couldn't get direct, so I'm changing all at weird places like Dallas and Raleigh and stuff like that. (This is going to end up like that episode of Black Books, isnt' it?)

Crap, I had forgotten about the leg issue. DVT and all that, argh.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

...what I used to do for the leg thing was turn upside down in my seat to stretch them up above me. You can get away with that when you're 18. Not when you're twice that age. (Also, I'm not sure I'm that flexible any more.)

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Depends what time you're flying. If it's daylight and a clear day, window's not too bad if you have good bladder control. If it's a night flight, you have to decide if half an hour of a view at either end is worth the lack of legroom and walkabout ability

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

It's not just the view (though night time over America is actually quite interesting, too! light pollution!) but also the not being bothered by a weak-bladdered person sitting next to you constantly bothering you to let them out.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

but night flights are cool if it's not cloudy and flying over major cities.
xp

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

True, but you can win by getting up and stretching ostentatiously every 30 mins if you want, but huffing whenever your neighbour plucks up the courage to ask you to excuse him once every 4 hours

xpost Yes I was thinking transatlantic I guess

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

I strongly prefer aisle seats for anything over two hours - windows are OK for short hops. You can change these seats when you check in, it won't be any big deal.

RDU (Raleigh-Durham airport) is easy to navigate and has, in Maui Tacos, some of the best airport food anywhere. (There's also a Maui Tacos in the Minneapolis airport.) Dallas-Fort Worth on the other hand is really huge.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Window. I've flown eight hours without going to the toilet 'cause the couple next to me were sleeping for the whole flight. (I'm nice that way)

One beer though and going to the toilet is unavoidable. It's just trying to find a chance to go, between meal trollies, folk eating their meals, drinks trollies, stuff getting sold.

I try to avoid plane toilets.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I could change seats now, online, but I don't know if I want to. I think the benefits of a window seat outweigh the negatives. I just have to remember to ask my doctor for tranquilisers so I will sleep/not get completely freaked out, and not to drink anything.

Except for the hop that I'm making with my dad, I know he will insist on sampling every wine they have on the plane, but that's OK, as he's having the window seat that time.

I'm scared of DFW. But then again, that could just be because I hate Texas, so there you go. I just have to close mine eyes and think of Secret Machines. I will try Maui Tacos, so thanks for the hint.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Window window windo, I hate having people climb over me. Exit row if at all possible. I shall be down at gatwick extra early to try and score one on monday.

I love the BA seat changing thing. I have been able to use it to chase double empty seats and come up lucky more than once

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

DFW is a big airport, but pretty dull.

I prefer aisle seats for comfort, but it is a bit harder to sleep. I've been traveling a crazy amount lately and I've flown three times this year already, which is a lot for me. Window is better for snoozing, except more cramped.

I recently paid $10 to upgrade to first class. It was great! It was only an hour flight, though, so not very LUXURIOUS.

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ah! I didn't even think of the exit row! Dammit...

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather sit on the seats in front of the exit so I don't have some twat faffing around with the lap tray or a kid booting my seat.

Every single flight I've taken I've ended up with this kind of fuckery.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

You can only get an exit row at the airport. The have to see that you look physically able to operate the door, however don't get exit row door on a 747 as the box that has the escape slide gets in the way of streching your legs out in comfort.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I probably wouldn't look physically able to operate a door - I'm quite out of shape. :-(

What I REALLY HATE is the fuckwit who decides to put their seat ALL TEH WAY BACK right at the beginning of the flight and leave it there - or worse still, the one who does it right in the middle of dinner, spilling your food everywhere.

AA doens't let you choose veg meals ahead of time, unlike Virgin. But beggars can't be choosers, as that is what my dad has frequent flyer miles on.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that the aisle is really any better than the window for people who have long legs. I am a long-legged person myself (6'2" or so) and I find that when I sit on the aisle it doesn't really help because if I dare to extend any part of my leg into any part of the aisle space it's bound to get banged smartly at least once by the service trolley during the flight. Also, I've found that it's easier for me to sleep in a window seat, because I have the wall to curl up against and I feel less exposed. So for overnight flights, the window is a plus. Of course, it's a pain to have to ask to get up to use the restroom, but on the other hand, you don't have people waking you up to use it, so it's still a net plus, I think.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

All those are good points. The best seats are the ones next to the one next to the exit: legroom without responsibility

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

AA should let you choose the veg meal ahead of time, its an IATA rule. You might have to ring them up though.

get the Hindu Vegetarian one though, extra good curries (for a plane that is).

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not bothered either way, i've got a window seat for my trip to London tomorrow.

― leigh (leigh), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah if you want to sleep you want window so you can pile the pillow against the wall. if you don't sleep then it doesn't really matter i suppose aisle.

anyway, the one you want is the emergency exit window seat innit.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I despise non-aisle seats on any form of public transportation.

― Dan (Don't Fence Me In) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

i'll be at ATP when the online seat booking opportunity opens so i'll have to take whatever crap they give me on monday.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Window! I like looking at all the little houses.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Window, always. I like to look.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

Window, I spend the whole flight looking out of the window apart from when the drinks trolley comes round. I actually made my nephew move from the window so I could sit there. I always ask for legroom as well as I have long legs that ache when scrunched up.

Aisle seats are for the elderly aren’t they?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, the one you want is the emergency exit window seat innit

no you don't see above, plus there isn't really a window on the exit row.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

on some planes

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Excessive use of the drinks trolley + window seat can prove a bit of a problem.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

i suppose the little houses is worth it actually (even though the sight is short lived) i always get sad though when the flight takes off and you see yourself pulling away further and further from where the houses were.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like that bit! It's like soaring up into the heavens, leaving the dirty dank earth of Heathrow (or Gatwick in my case) behind...

My dad was clearly thinking of the views, as it's window seats, not near wings, all around.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

a lady who was at the exit row seat clearly didn't ask at the airport because the flight staff moved her later on because she couldn't read the safety instructions.

i was two seats behind her and was half a second too late to shout "I CAN READ THAT" when the people next to me beat me to it. and THEN, that lady who got moved whinged and wanted my seat, and i had to move to accomodate HER. what a bitch.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

My dad was clearly thinking of the views, as it's window seats, not near wings, all around.
yeah but...
http://static.flickr.com/52/146187336_649384cb8f.jpg
you get to watch it wobble in turbulence as well.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, not doing too well on the Also... reassure me that flying is safe front there... (Though yeah, I know the science, and that it's supposed to wobble.)

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

I like to sit near the wing 'cause I think you get a much better sensation of banking etc when you can see it.

And I like to watch the flaps sliding back and forth.

It's scary when it starts vibrating though.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

That was not meant to sound suggestive in any way.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

And I like to watch the flaps sliding back and forth.
so so tempting to say something.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

yes rumpie otm re the banking and flap slidage. even if the banking does fuck about with my stomach a little.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like the bit when the flaps move so much you can see right through the wing.

Kate you know the theory about taking a bomb on board a plane yourself? Chances of there being two bombs on one plane are vanishingly small...

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

...chances of my rotting in a Texan jail for the rest of my life - excedingly high!

I think I'd rather die in a terrorist bombing than end up on a Texan Death Row, thanks. Quicker and less painful.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is making me excited.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

I know what you mean rumpsy, I feel like booking a flight.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

people, your answers are here:
http://www.seatguru.com/

― and there are lot's of other sites, but all of them are fake... (sanskrit), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sandcastlevi.com/images/movies/sf-tzone.jpg

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Aisle all the way. If I have a row to myself (and I've lucked out with that a few times) then I might slide down to the window for the view, but that's about it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Windows for me. Due to altitude fx, I tend to fall asleep immediately and stay that way. Also, I need to look outside as the plane is backed away from the gate.

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Aisle seat means passing meals to the folk next to you. Not good given my 'palsy under pressure-prone' hands.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

window

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

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exit row is nothing about surviving, it's all about having the ability to straighten legs without standing up. Although it has to be said BA took out a few rows on their 747s a few years back and economy is not nearly as bad as other economy classes. I'm flying virgin on Monday and have heard bad things about poor upholstery padding and crap legroom. I shall report back.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, I hadn't noticed the extra legroom.

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

* British airways are cunts for not having exit rows in economy class

WHO CARES IF POOR PEOPLE DIE?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ed, those few rows they took out have gone to make extra space in World Traveller Plus. World Traveller == economy is still tiny. The extra legroom at an exit row is huge, tho. I can put my legs straight out.

Air safety statistics are all about fucking with meaningless numbers, especially since each journey is thousands of miles. (Though they're still safest) At least you're statistically likely to walk away from a car crash, while UR DED in an air crash.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's definitely there. I flew BA out to Singapore and Qantas Back just before Xmas in a five day period and there is noticeably more space in BA than in Qantas. As far as I can tell it was one row per section, it amounts to little but it does seem to be worth it.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

The difference between being able to stretch put my legs, comfortably under the seat in front or not.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, yes, there's more room in economy BA than most others, but it's still pretty tight

― stet (stet), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

That's because you are mega-freaky tall. I find BA about right compared to cheapo no-frills carriers.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Us tall people always suffer on transport. The worst I've experienced is coaches in Asia.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

this is the one occasion in my life when i'm glad to be short.

― natalie portmanteau (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

There's definitely more room in coach than there was years ago. Also wtf with Virgin charging 100 extra for a 'legroom' seat? Yuck.

You don't necessarily die if you're in an air crash. Some crashes by their nature are not survivable, yeah, but it's often what happens immediately after the plane hits the ground or comes to a stop (eg fire, inaccessibility by rescue services etc) and how fast you get out of the plane that determines fatalities. Which is why where you're sitting in the plane can often matter a lot.

― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Often" = "almost never"

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

well that second often was a mistake

― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

sgs, you are a moron.

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

WUV

― Dan ( (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

(stupid html parser)

― Dan (Grr) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_crashes#The_NTSB
VERY FEW "CLOSE RACES"

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/qr/qr80.html

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

^ just for fun

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.airsafe.com/events/last_15.htm

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but you know those inflatable slip-n-slides that are supposed to fold out of the plane, buffeting you gently down to safety in the event of a crash landing? Well this could well be an urban legend but it has the ring of truth: those have never been used on any airplane anywhere.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

In the urban legend category: I heard taht they only make you put your seatbelt on because it has your seat number on it and will make your body easier to identify.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.airsafe.com/events/last_15.htm

9 of those crashes had survivors.

― Crimea River (Mark C), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

they use the slip-n-slides at the end of die hard 2: die harder

I heard the "crash position" is designed to make your death, on impact, as quick (and painless dunno) as possible

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Inflatable ramp utilized on this fatal flight

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway...

As it turns out, I'm now not flying. My brother's wedding has been postponed.

Originally, I was flying to California to spend a week in San Jose with my dad, then flying to NYC for my brother's wedding, and to spend a week with my mum.

But now I don't know when this is happening. I'm actually kinda relieved that I don't have to get on a plane now.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mile for mile, air travel is the safest form of travel even compared to walking.

I suppose that's true, but how many people do you know who regularly go for 3000 mile walks?

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 May 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.canadianwild.ca/images/terryfox.gif

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm flying virgin on Monday and have heard bad things about poor upholstery padding and crap legroom.

virgin are pretty bad. they try to cloak everything with their "hip" factor, but every time i've flown with them the big things (customer service, legroom, condition of seats) have been totally substandard.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I had also heard that the 'brace' position is in fact a 'break neck' position, but have since had it confirmed by somebody who KNOWS that it's not true. All the seats go forward at once and you're more protected if you adopt the pose.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

But, like, it's an air crash so you won't survive.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

why don't aeroplane seats face the other way like in captain scarlet's tank thing?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you should ask Richard Branson.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

I get very carsick if I have to sit on one of the little backwards-facing seats in a black cab. Maybe it'd be the same in a plane?

― Crimea River (Mark C), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Less experience of acceleration/decceleration and motion cues in a plane than in a cab, so it might not be, Mark.

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm never able to fit into the brace position in an airline seat = I will stare death straight in the face :(

X-pos - Vic was facing backwards in the GOCBT-O? class seats and didn't seem to feel any after effects.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

he was called captain scarlet cos every time he used his tank thing or a little backwards-facing seat in a black cab he had to throw up

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

I got stuck in one of those rear-facing seats on a Southwest flight. It sucked. The worst part was during the take-off and having to look down on the rest of the flight at that weird angle.

And talk about footroom, I kept having to negotiate my legs around the feet of the woman directly in front of me. It might work in a train car, but the positioning is awkward up in the sky.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

I hate sitting in the emergency exit seats. Way too much responsibility and i kind of like being boxed in.

I was in a midair emergency once. It was about 6 or 7 hours into a Sydney to LA flight, so we were somewhere over the Pacific, and I was out because I took all this codiene before I got on the plane, and suddenly I woke up to the cabin bathed in red light and an alarm going off. It was pretty freaky. Nobody freaked out though. Everyone suddenly went very quiet and still. After about a minute of this, the captain's voice comes over the pa and says that they accidently hit a wrong button. No emergency. False alarm. That was relieving for about 10 seconds because, by then, everyone realized the alarm the alarm hadnt stop and the red lights were still on. I started to think the capo was lying to control the people. He wasn't. It stopped after another 5 or so minutes and I fell straight back to sleep.

Anyway, I prefer the window seat because I get up maybe once in a 13 hour flight and generally sleep for a good 9-10 hours. Sure beats watching that tiny plane on the flight path. That shit is torturous.

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/59/62060er.jpg

AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhcccccccccck.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

(I like the little airplane chart. I find it strangely soothing. But then again, I am a map freak.)

((Also, I've been on a plane with a bomb on it. I don't really remember the details of how they handled it, except having to do a forced landing at Kinshassa while they took the bomb off in the forest and detonated it. But that's another story, and not one I really feel like contemplating while I'm thinking about air travel.))

― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've been on a plane that caught on fire. We were on the tarmac, though, at DIA, and the air hostesses actually shouted at us to get off the plane. That's how we knew it was serious. A lot of elderly people were extremely distressed - the shouting made it worse - and some people saw the guy who'd been refuelling rolling around on the tarmac, covered in flames like a stuntman. He died on 11 September 2001, and the story made something like page 47 of the Denver post.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Post, I mean.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

wow. did they unload first and business before telling economy, or was it a free for all?

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

(I like the little airplane chart. I find it strangely soothing. But then again, I am a map freak.)

maybe it depends on how long your flight is? or how much ocean you are crossing? i know with the qantas one going from syd to la you can fall asleep for a couple of hours, wake up and that bitch plane doesnt look like its moved at all. i guess sydney to london would be 1000x worse.

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Mikey G to thread with his exploding engine tale - incorporating woman who shattered a tooth from gritting her teeth so hard.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Finnair has a nose mounted camera which they put through the TV system during take off and landing.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

why are people who didn't understand (despite posts SAYING SO, earlier in the thread) that exit seats = more legroom calling OTHER people morons? Just curious.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Because they are Jon?

― Ed (dali), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

It was a free for all. Passengers had already started dismebarking before the fire started, so it wasn't too much of a stampede - kind of a superfast-moving queue.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 19 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

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