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a bleak repulsive film.

― ethan, Sunday, 27 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and racist, christ, i never noticed when i saw it as a kid (probably because i only ever saw the relatively less-terrifying first half at some kid's birthday party) but the racial overtones are disgusting, the whole message seems to be that darkie shouldn't mess with out white people science because he'll just go and destroy the human race and the linda hamilton raid on his middle class family reminded me of those kkk attacks on the one black family in a prominently white neighbourhood. hey black people, don't go to college, don't become scientists, you'll just fuck everything up! maybe the white kid or the austrian superman can set it straight though. what an evil, evil movie.

― ethan, Sunday, 27 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh and just to clarify that i didn't give any money to this atrocity, when i moved out last year i got a bunch of taped-from-hbo videos from my aunt that she was getting rid of and they've sat in my closet unwatched until recently since now i'm too broke to rent things, hence a bunch of threads about movies i wouldn't normally have ever seen. although as you all know, i did unexpectedly enjoy wall street.

― ethan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of my favourite films.

I think you are over-reacting. If Dyson had been white instead of black what would you be saying? That the movie was anti-science or anti-white people or anti-men?

To say that scene where Sarah Connor invades the Dyson house reminds you of those kkk attacks on the one black family in a prominently white neighbourhood is paranoid - do all attacks on black families by white perpetrators remind you of this, or is only when the black family is educated and middle class that it becomes a concern? Would you rather they only had poor, uneducated black characters in movies? Would you rather the black characters be the attackers and the white ones be the victims? What then would you have to say about stereotyping? Maybe we should have apartheid in movies, or better yet only black actors - but no, then if they fought amongst themselves people would complain about the portrayal of the black community as non-cohesive or something.

I would have thought that if anything in this scene were to be a concern it would be either Sarah Connor's sexist remarks:...Fucking men... all you know how to do is thrust into the world with your... fucking ideas and your weapons. Did you know that every gun in the world is named after a man? Colt, Browning, Smith, Thompson, Kalashnikov... all men. Men built the hydrogen bomb, not women... men like you thought it up. You're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something... to create a life. To feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death... you fucking bastards. , or the fact that accusations about men's war-mongering and destructive ways were only permitted to be expressed by an unbalanced woman, implying, maybe, that a sane woman would not think such thoughts - and the fact that she is pacified by her only known(to us, anyway) male relative, her young son no less, with the words Mom, Mom, we need to be more constructive here. I don't see this as a gender related issue. - what message is that sending? Should young sons control their irrational mothers? If there is no father should the son become the head of the family?

I think you are overlooking the fact that Dyson is one of the heroes of the movie, he is portrayed as intelligent, educated, caring, courageous and he fights on the side of good.

― toraneko, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think you are over-reacting. If Dyson had been white instead of black what would you be saying? That the movie was anti- science or anti-white people or anti-men?

unfortunately you can't just make substitutions like that (although i do think the film is already anti-science). when you're making one of the most expensive films ever made, that was seen by hundreds of millions of people, and you choose to make the one black character not only a victim of continual humiliation, injury, and eventually death, but the man responsible for destroying half the world, you're sending a message. i don't think they have a social responsibility to show minorities as positive representatives of their race but sadly this is how it's going to be interpreted and i think someone should point out this subtext when it's obviously at the forefront in such a vile way as this film.

To say that scene where Sarah Connor invades the Dyson house reminds you of those kkk attacks on the one black family in a prominently white neighbourhood is paranoid - do all attacks on black families by white perpetrators remind you of this, or is only when the black family is educated and middle class that it becomes a concern?

in this case, yes. it reeks of revenge on the lowly 'uncle tom' trying to enter the white world (and laboratories). to be honest i would be disturbed by that terrifying sequence regardless of any aspects of the family involved but to have it be so obviously racially contrasted, along with the repeated references to the wealth this man has over the 'heroes' of the film, and it's hard not to draw comparisons to organized hate crimes. i know you're not american but i've lived in the american south my entire life and seen the violent reactions of poor white racists to black working professionals who dare to break the system and become more successful than them, it's ugly.

Would you rather they only had poor, uneducated black characters in movies? Would you rather the black characters be the attackers and the white ones be the victims? What then would you have to say about stereotyping? Maybe we should have apartheid in movies, or better yet only black actors - but no, then if they fought amongst themselves people would complain about the portrayal of the black community as non-cohesive or something.

none of these political-corrrectness-gone- mad rush limbaugh fantasies are suggested t all by what i had to say about the film. if i protested a neo-nazi action flick about a evil money-lending jewish psycho being heroically defeated by virtuous blonde aryans would this mean that there should be no jewish characters in film? i wish we could base art on the current cultural mode of tolerance (which is still faulty) but unfortunately historical concerns often affect how i think the creators of mass 'entertainment' should present themselves. after hundreds of years of slavery, institutionalized racism, discrimination, and poverty (continuing to this day), when you make what is essentially a children's film to be watched by millions i think it's best to not introduce a well-off successful black character as an object of constant abuse and as the inevitable bringer of the apocalypse. name a film as high profile as terminator 2, past or present, that's even shown a wealthy black scientist in a major role? so here's your one example and he's trussed up for the slaughter.

― ethan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also i don't really want to respond to the sexism (on either side) issue but surely she's not meant to be insane since THE ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE ARE REAL.

― ethan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't take your racist reading seriously sorry.

but the man responsible for destroying half the world

Is a scientist! All scientists == bad. All black people == bad? But no, cos when it's pointed out to him, he agrees to destroy HIS LIFE'S WORK! And dies in the attempt. == all black people are willing to die to save the world?

At least the sexism mentioned is a theme throughout all of Cameron's work.

― Alan Trewartha, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Watch it again properly ethan: dyson = responsible for SAVING the world not destroying it, he heroically sacrifices himself to this end (also he did not make the whatsname chip — it came from the future and he merely activated it)*

*(it's true that this timeloop = a glitch in the narrative, but that's timeloops for you)

Yr sexism reading makes no sense at all, for exactly the reasons you give! The ppl who think she is mad are the BADDIES (and PUNISHED AS SUCH). Everyone is on her side thoughout her ordeal not least because we have all seen The Terminator.

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(totally ignore last para i had no sleep last night)

i think there is a minor race issue abt poorly thought-through tokenism not a major one

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can't remember the film clearly enough to have an opinion on the racist thing, but it's a rotten, rotten movie that for years has been touted by people who really should know better. Cameron is a dreadful director - the first Terminator, though also overrated, is his only halfway decent film - and by T2 his combination of brutality mixed with moments of grotesque sentimentality was its peak, as is the reliance on special effects to compensate for the fact that there is nothing interesting to watch. And the next person who insists on playing me one of the morphing scenes to show off the wonders of DVD is going to get a boot through their Sony widescreen.

― Mark Morris, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sorry for sounding aggressive up-thread ethan: it is a movie i like a lot also, like toraneko, and the idea that this makes me racist = not cool to me... but since i interpet this bit of the story entirely diff to you i am competely off the hook obv

as i recall i first read lots of pro-stuff on it and got interested, by black reviewers at the village voice, who were responding to its popularity w. black new yawk audiences i guess (this was ages ago, so i do not really remember details, except that I did not at first know what was this "T2" they all spoke of

when i was reading this stuff i had not seen it; since it is on TV every other weekend in the UK I have now seen it abt 4000 times

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i don't necessarily agree with it but this is interesting.

― ethan, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

T2 not racist for reasons already stated, but is guilty of tokenism re [black characters / casting of characters with black actors] as was EVERY MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD MOVIE up until about 5 years ago (and I don't think it's dramatically improved since).

Someone please give Ethan a copy of 'Training Day' when that comes out on video/DVD. Now that movie is worth debating from a racial perspective. I still haven't worked out just what it's trying to say.

― Jeff W, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is it to flip of me to bring up the way british (usually white men) are either effete or evil in hollywood films?

― Alan Trewartha, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

to read that post, read "too flip" insert "portrayed as". in fact ignore generally might be easier.

― Alan Trewartha, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan's claim would have a bit more oomph behind it if Joe Morton (the scientist in question) were actually, say, a stupid thug espousing bling-bling ideologies and slurring words. Instead of an intelligent scientist caught firmly in the grip of Powers He Does Not Understand (the hubris of all movie scientists of all colors).

You're looking @ the wrong James Cameron flick in terms of looking for push-button myopia - cf. True Lies & sexism. Odd, that, given how kick-ass & assertive both Ms. Connor and Ripley (circa Aliens) were.

― David Raposa, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is there not a that-feisty-goybirl-linda-hamilton-broke-my-feckin-heart subtext here tho? (to be honest i cannot remember who dumped who...)

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the kid gives me a hard on every time i watch it + it was mentioned in a Dennis cooper book + it had guns n roses theme song and jamie whatserface has great arms = classique

― goeff, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The French film True Lies is based on is much much more misogyn. But yes, there is no excuse for those scenes in True Lies.

Aliens is not only racist but speciesist as well.

― Pete, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"name a film as high profile as terminator 2, past or present, that's even shown a wealthy black scientist in a major role?"

Nutty Professor? Dr. Doolittle?

― Dare, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dr Dolittle was v.poor in the book

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, it isn't until the end of "Nutty Professor 2" that Sherman makes any dough (I assume, since I didn't actually watch the end, traumatized as I was by the gigantic shitting hamster).

― Dan Perry, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To go back to Ethan's original point, I feel it's somewhat overstated, but I definitely saw the seeds of it when I saw the movie. My main reaction to that movie (beyond "Ooh, look at the MILK CARTON!!!") was, "Why'd they have to make the guy who destroyed the world black?" I agree that, had the character been white, the home invasion scene would have been uncomfortable given the character's motivations, but making him black added on a secondary level of discomfort for me and, while I don't fully agree, I can see where Ethan's coming from with his KKK analogy.

I do think that the portrayal of Sarah Conner as a ranting loony is more problematic, but it's also central to the storytelling; regardless of whether John's parent was male or female, you need the paranoid insanity to explain why John has been taught all of the freedom-fighter/survivalist tactics he knows and why he's so disconnected from his primary parent. The entire "men destroy, women create" speech was WAY over- the-top, though, as any man who has watched a woman demolish an apartment looking for some pantyhose without runs can attest.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

potential bit of irony: 'white' people, whether from North America or Europe, create an entirely new type of world economy based on converting largely 'black' human beings into automatons - slave capital. in the process, irrevocably accelerating technological development, wealth concentration, scientific advancement, etc. Then a 'black' person becomes responsible for creating an artificial intelligence that unleashes its own automatons into the world, re- enslaving it in its own image.

― Dare, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

p.s. I think the whole Sarah Connor rant is pretty spot-on. If you transferred control of all the world's governments to women and they had largely female cabinets and advisors, I think you'd see a whole hell of a lot more peace and stability in the 21st century.

― Dare, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I heart Dare's first post.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Then a 'black' person becomes responsible for creating an artificial intelligence that unleashes its own automatons into the world, re- enslaving it in its own image.

He's *not* responsible for it (tho he does help destroy it). The chip was left behind by Terminator One. Like I said, a story-glitch: it comes from the future w/o having had a "past"...! (Since the "storm that's gunna come" is *still* gunna come at close of movie, the chips must still be in the world, ie Dyson is not their inventor, only (at worst) their inadvertent facilitator, according to standard time-paradox logic, otherwise, otherwise Arnie's self-immolation *wd* save us all...)

I'm gunna watch it again this week maybe and say how I respond since ethan's put this new way of looking at it into my head (before I just always thought, Joe Morton = Brother from Another Planet = everyone is rooting * for* him not against him)

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ie Camneron's chief fault as a director = he paid too little attn to Dr Who ovah the years

(Dan do you heart me yet?)

― mark s, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark, how could I NOT heart you after mentioning Doctor Who?

― Dan Perry, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

None of the other characters are constructive stereotypes:
The single mum is raving, man-hating, and violent;
The child of the single mum is a delinquent;
The Austrian guy is a death machine - with no obvious free will, just does what he's ordered to do.
The white-skinned, blue-eyed, brown haired guy (who maybe represents white, middle class men) is a cruel, evil and heartless bastard (I can't watch him in any other movie without it freaking me out a bit - not unlike Nurse Ratchett from "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest").

I think the black scientist is the most constructive character out of the major players. He is all for science and technology, i.e. progress, whilst he believes the are for the good of mankind, and as soon as he discovers the evil potential for them he is brave enough to put his own neck on the line in order to prevent a stark future. He's no Frodo Baggins who questions "Why me?" and wants to wuss out.

― toraneko, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hey don't diss frodo!!

― mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

no diss him...........WITH GREAT DISS.

Actually don't, he is quite cool.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan, I *could* strangle you for that reference...but I'll let you live.

I do like how you can tell who has read the whole book.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh Ned, I know you know I haven't read the whole book but I'm asuming that it has a happy ending. I wasn't saying that Frodo doesn't have a pure heart and resolve and strength of character. I was merely referring to his whiney "Why me?", "But it's too hard!" type of attitude (which is my attitude to everyday life therefore I can diss it all I like!)

Incidentally, Terminator was on telly tonight. Linda Hamilton's hair was horrible! Her top was even worse. I love Arni.

― toraneko, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That gave me my first belly laugh of a rather bleak day Ronan, thanks.

― RickyT, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The German pop singer Sarah Connor has caused a great scandal recently for allegedly appearing on German television with no knickers on. She has denied this allegation.

What is more disturbing to me is that her English pronunciation is so poor that, in her current hit "From Sarah With Love", it sounds as if she is sending LADDERS to her lost love on a daily basis. I would not find this conducive to further interaction with Ms. Connor if I were the young man in question.

― Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

she sends him ladders = she wants his snake

― Jacques Lacan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was merely referring to his whiney "Why me?", "But it's too hard!" type of attitude

Well, it was a sudden job change for him, see (considering that his job beforehand, according to the film, was going to the pub with Sam -- which is not a bad idea).

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

Just watched The Terminator for the first time in maybe ten years. What a smartly put together film! So much rawer and leaner than T2. Linda Hamilton is very good in it also.

― chap, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

The first Terminator movie is astonishingly good. Although
I like 2 and 3, they really shouldn't have caved into Arnold's whiny, petulant demands to play a hero.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

T2 would be a lot more effective if it hadn't been so heavily publicized that Arnie was the good guy this time - if you'd seen the first one but had no prior knowledge of the second, you'd totally assume the T1000 was a human freedom fighter who'd been sent back to protect John, and it would be a great twist.

― chap, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

Um, except that within nanoseconds of meeting John Connor, Arnie sez "I am a Terminator robot sent back in time to protect u"

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but there's still a good half hour of movie before that.

― chap, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not saying it would improve the entire film enormously or anything, it would just add a nice extra dimension of tension at the beginning.

― chap, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

ok wait the rest of this thread, guys??

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)

i love robert patrick as the T-1000 in T2.

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:26 (eighteen years ago)

i love robert patrick as the T-1000 in Wayne's World.

― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:29 (eighteen years ago)

ha, yes, that was a good gag.

one thing no one else seems to have mentioned, that might or might not be relevant: isn't it interesting that the villain in this film is in the form of a COP? from the LAPD no less!

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

also, re: casting of Red-haired Danny Cooksey (of Different Strokes, Salutte Your Shorts, and Tiny Toons infamy)=oblique commentary on deflated nuclear threat from foreign superpowers after collapse of Soviet Communism?

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:41 (eighteen years ago)

i know now why you cry

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 02:52 (eighteen years ago)

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i think the general 'mood' of T2 is what makes it not even a PG, not specific guns and blood scenes.

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Thursday, 12 February 2009 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

― sorry, i'm not that kind of basement dweller (latebloomer), Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:39 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.justpressplay.net/images/stories/batmansavestheday.jpg

― goole, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:41 (seventeen years ago)

(°o°) >:D (ò_ó)

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

i saw these at target a couple years back
http://affimg.tfaw.com/covers_tfaw/400/3/300_ephi_neca.jpg

― and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

Now we need Thread of Inappropriate Movie Merchandising

― Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

is there a cliff playset that goes with it?

― goole, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

what kid could resist their own joe pantoliano action figure
http://www.nitrocomics.com/matrixaction.jpg

― and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2946/furlongmd4.jpg

― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 18:56 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.oakcreek.k12.wi.us/wms/Mike/sasquatch.jpg

― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 18:57 (sixteen years ago)

Odd. I randomly googled Edward Furlong just yesterday to see what he was looking like these days. Rough.

― buttslam is a pretty good move (circa1916), Monday, 20 April 2009 20:18 (sixteen years ago)

He still has the same haircut as in the movie.

― franny glass, Monday, 20 April 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)

a bleak repulsive film.

hmmm maybe I DO miss ethan

― shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 April 2009 21:08 (sixteen years ago)

this is on ITV2 right now.

― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Monday, 20 April 2009 21:13 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

guys, it's judgment day today. rip.

― caek, Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:50 (fourteen years ago)

great thread btw

― caek, Thursday, 21 April 2011 14:52 (fourteen years ago)

The Terminator timeline has already been altered several times (via time travel!?!) to help the narrative cohere.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 April 2011 15:08 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://i.imgur.com/LyOt7hy.jpg

― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 12:45 (thirteen years ago)

L-R: Robert Patrick, a very lifelike model

― Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 14:11 (thirteen years ago)

L-R, ILXor kenan, a T-1000.

― "Did you see the sign on my car park that said 'Dead King Storage'?" (snoball), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 14:52 (thirteen years ago)

Not going to ask what the hole's for then.

― pplains, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:12 (thirteen years ago)

six months pass...

Here's a question:

Have any of you, at any point, uttered "easy money" upon taking out cash from an ATM?

― ed.b, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:25 (twelve years ago)

almost certainly.

― Clyde One DJ Diane “Knoxy” Knox-Campbell (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 00:34 (twelve years ago)

Definitely. I'm pretty sure I did so within the last two weeks.

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 01:36 (twelve years ago)

six years pass...

well this was a weird ethan thread

― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 04:48 (six years ago)

one year passes...

it's interesting how T2 is just barely R-rated

its vision of the apocalypse is still the creepiest imho

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:18 (five years ago)

i kinda think Twitter might become self-aware IMHO

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:23 (five years ago)

Occupied a weird spot in that it’s basically an R-rated kid’s film.

― circa1916, Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:26 (five years ago)

s'why I prefer the first one, though I still love 2

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:27 (five years ago)

if I had kids I would definitely use this to scare the shit out of them with at, like, 10? 9?

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:30 (five years ago)

Roughly around the age I first saw it, made it out OK.

― circa1916, Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:31 (five years ago)

I didn't fully understand what nuclear weaponry was/could do at that age, and although it's made quite clear on screen, I just wrote that off as something only fancy mega-robots could do when I saw the movie (I was 11 I think?).

years later when I learned about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and read Hiroshima by John Hersey? then I was pretty spooked. kind of amazed I wasn't terrified of nuclear war as a child who grew up during the waning years of the cold war, probably cos nobody in my family talked about it.

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 02:34 (five years ago)

oh man, i was the kind of ten-year-old who had read about nuclear weapons in books and stuff, and was consequently horrified by those shots in T2. definitely the first R-rated movie I saw in theaters, and I think it earns it with stuff like the death of the foster parents or all the human-on-human violence at the psychiatric ward, or the home-invasion scene... kids should not see that! "I'll pump him full of this shit, I swear!" freaked me out too.

but i was so hooked on the T-1000 that it was definitely a movie i loved and wanted to see again, not like scarring nightmare fuel i regretted watching.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 6 December 2020 03:10 (five years ago)

"dreams about...cataclysm, the end of the world, these are very common"

― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 6 December 2020 03:11 (five years ago)

it's funny how many canonical kid/teen movies of my youth were R rated now that i think about it. like it wasn't like they were hard to see or get ahold of in the VHS era (especially the "friend's dad packed it onto a tape with two other movies, thanks HBO" type of VHS). and i'm sure it had an appealing mystique of "adultness." whereas i feel like today the entire blockbuster business is laser-focused on PG-13 or lower, R is seen as the kiss of death apart from the exceptions that prove the rule like Deadpool or Joker or w/e.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 6 December 2020 03:13 (five years ago)

my mother was real strict about the movies I saw, TErminator 2 was maybe the third R rated movie I got to see, with parental supervision.

I really think ignorance of history plus the knowledge that the good guys would likely prevent the 'disaster' ending saved me from freaking out, as I was a hypersensitive kid. I was a kid who saw the live news report of the Lockerbie bombing on TV and I started crying cos it was 4 days before Christmas and my 8 year old soul couldn't comprehend something that horrible.

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 03:16 (five years ago)

iirc my parents let me watch terminator 2 when i was six. it was the right thing to do

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 6 December 2020 03:48 (five years ago)

Funny that there was a time where they made action figures for R rated movies. T2, Robocop, Aliens, Rambo etc.

― circa1916, Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:05 (five years ago)

making things crazier, iirc the Aliens figures were intended as tie-ins for a saturday morning cartoon show (which i don't think actually made it to air), and came out just in time for the even LESS kid-friendly Alien 3.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:21 (five years ago)

I'm pretty sure I first saw it on VHS when I was like 6 with my parents, though I think I might have lost interest a third of the way through.

On the other hand, I did watch the entirety of True Lies in the theater when I was around 8 or 9, and then was surprised later when I wanted to rent it on VHS that it was rated R.

― MarkoP, Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:25 (five years ago)

True Lies was not the first R Rated movie that I saw in theaters though. That would have been Alive from the year before.

― MarkoP, Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:27 (five years ago)

T2 was obviously huge and well received critically for the most part, but along the “kid’s movie” line, I’m curious if it means shit now to anyone who saw it as a grown ass adult at the time.

― circa1916, Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:36 (five years ago)

lol i had several aliens action figures but i didn't see the movie until i was an adult

the aliens were still terrifying in action figure form

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:39 (five years ago)

My parents took me to the theater to see T2, I would have been almost 10 I guess. It didn't seem that scary compared to the things that happened in the Indiana Jones trilogy I was watching non-stop.

― onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Sunday, 6 December 2020 04:57 (five years ago)

First R rated movie i saw was Stakeout

― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 December 2020 13:22 (five years ago)

i still rep for Gorilla Alien and Push-Button Exploding Scorpion Alien

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 6 December 2020 14:12 (five years ago)

Sarah filling the syringe with cleaning fluid is the kind of detail only a good filmmaker gets right.

― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 December 2020 14:44 (five years ago)

one year passes...

Not only would Skynet Funding Bill pass for real today, Tucker Carlson would accuse us of alarmism seconds before the first missile hit.

― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 July 2022 14:30 (three years ago)

one year passes...

t1, but all the t1 threads are silly: a deleted scene which sets up t2, canned because instead of real actors it used friends of the financier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYkBSFKCDog

― crutch of england (ledge), Friday, 1 September 2023 18:53 (two years ago)

eleven months pass...

Watched this last night with my son. First time I've seen it since VHS. What a movie, so much tension throughout.

― silverfish, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 15:52 (one year ago)

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