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Something I don't understand: men who, at the slightest sign of female nudity, will just stop and STARE. Men who enjoy looking at Page 3, for example.

Now, naked people do look rather nice - but why do some men just gape at the sight of someone with their top off? Is it just that they don't get too see very many? Can anyone explain it?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

some naked people do look rather nice.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well, yes, very true.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

In general your average straight man only gets too see a live naked woman when having sex with her (unless you live in a sauna culture like ours), so the sight of female nakedness brings sex into his mind, which causes the excitement. If we'd live in a nudist culture I reckon it'd be quite different.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

If we'd live in a nudist culture I reckon it'd be quite different

Thank God we don't in that case

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

everyone would be very cold and uncomfortable.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm, I was thinking that maybe that's why *I* see things differently - I was brought up as a naturist, and although I'm not one now it made me very used to seeing naked bodies. Usually ugly naked bodies, but still.

(xpost to Tuomas)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

stereotypical image of woman screaming at unexpected sight of naked man (flashers etc.) also funny (presumably doesn't happen in Finland?).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

I could be wrong, but I get the impression that flashers are a bit old hat these days

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

where do "naturists" [bullshit fallacy/phallucy word amirite?] keep pens, random scraps of paper, change?

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

Do you still get them? (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Some of them have hats with pockets in. Others just carry wallets or bags around.

(why do you think it's a bullshit fallacy word?)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

'i'm being natural' is always a bit of a lame excuse.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe because it's not that natural for human beings to be naked all the time?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

It isn't?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

I get the impression that flashers are a bit old hat these days

One word: internet.

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

carrying a wallet around the whole time? fuckin nora.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

In how many societies has it been "natural" for human beings to be totally naked?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Plus it's fucking cold in some countries!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

UK is too cold, wet and windy for people to be naked all the time. Interesting about sauna culture thing coming along to 'compensate' for this in other areas though. How exactly did that come about, I wonder.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

is it 'natural' to wash?

expost exactly re. the cold!!! i mean you'd die of exposure just getting to work some days!

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you could say that once we started forming "societies", things stopped being natural. But do you think the original homo sapiens wore clothes? I think humans spread into cold countries only after the invention of clothes.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I see what you mean.

Yes, it's part of that early 20th century constructed naturalism, one of the same group of philosophies as vegetarianism, and (for that matter) Scandinavian eugenics.

(xxxpost)

Actually, naturism is very handy when it pisses it down in summer - you don't have to worry about drying your clothes off.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you could say that once we started forming "societies", things stopped being natural

You could but you'd be talking bollocks

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Bare bollocks of course

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you could say that once we started forming "societies", things stopped being natural. But do you think the original homo sapiens wore clothes? I think humans spread into cold countries only after the invention of clothes.

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), May 22nd, 2006.

mindboggling.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, why DID sauna culture take off in Finland?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

i think humans spread into cold countries only after the invention of clothes

Chicken and egg innit? It's a great idea all the same.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

Homo sapiens only spread into Finland after the invention of the sauna.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I meant wider "societies" than packs of cavemen. But of course "natural" is a pointless word, because there's no "natural" state of things - every species adadpts to it's surroundings.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

yuh-huh, and that's why we wear clothes.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you could say that once we started forming "societies", things stopped being natural

You could but you'd be talking bollocks

No, he'd be right, but missing the point that society is a successful flight from the idea that things that are good in so far as they are natural, which has brought us many great things (including these computers of course: very few naked electrical engineers)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, lets say the invention of clothes allowed homo sapiens to spread outside Africa. But do you think the original African humans wore clothes?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

Moreover, every landscape has been heavily influenced by people.

However, it's only the militant fringe naturists who go on about it being a natural state of affairs - the same ones who whine about not being allowed to get naked wherever you want. They shout things like "we're doing what's natural, you texiles are the freaks" - but at the same time, they're a tiny minority of naturists.

(bah, I'm hijacking my own thread here)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

very few naked electrical engineers

Bloody EU Health and Safety Regulations

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Nudist camps always seem like alikely haunt of pedophiles

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, lets say the invention of clothes allowed homo sapiens to spread outside Africa. But do you think the original African humans wore clothes?

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), May 22nd, 2006.

i'm willing to say yes.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

And, Tuomas, there's no such thing as "the original African humans". There's a continuum of points over which we became human. There have been "non-human" species - "non-human" in that modern humans probably would be unable to breed properly with them - who wore clothes.

(and there have been non-human Homo species over all of Africa and most of Eurasia)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

But very few non-human electrical engineers

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

Nudist camps always seem like alikely haunt of pedophiles

British ones don't generally admit single men.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

You haven't met the guy who tried to fix the wiring in my flat
xpost

― beanz (beanz), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

Was he wearing anything, though?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

Nudists - I'm sorry but they tend to make me feel dissapointed with the human body. ONly the beautiful can be nude

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

why do people decide to become nudists?

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't know.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

To get other people to look at their genitals.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

why do people decide to become nudists?

"Well I put down my bush
'n I took of my pants 'n felt free
The breeze blowin' up me 'n up the canyon
Far as I could see"

Captain Beefheart, The Dust Blows Forward 'n' the Dust Blows Back

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, I don't think so. It's an entirely non-sexual thing, after all.

(xpost)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

how can it be entirely non-sexual? in my experience very few things are entirely non-sexual, so walking around naked is hardly going to make things *less sexual*.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Believe me, it really really is.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

i suppose so.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's like Tuomas says. if it wasn't suppressed here you wouldn't have the stigma thus excitement.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's hardly *that* suppressed, though. There are pictures of naked women all over the place - it's not like you have to struggle to find them. It's not exactly *hard* to find real live ones either if you're that bothered.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that nudism isn't really a sexual thing. I haven't been on a nudist camp, but I've done my share of sauna and streaking with members of both genders, and I can say it is exactly the (partial) concealment that makes the human body exciting, since it's all about the interplay between your imagination and reality. When you see people fully naked, whatever excitement there might've been soon disappears.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

When you see people fully naked, whatever excitement there might've been soon disappears.

i must disagree on this point.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

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― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's hardly *that* suppressed, though. There are pictures of naked women all over the place

yes, pictures, of supposedly beautiful ones. but if men here saw a wider range actually in person, attitudes would presumably change.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

I bought the "naturist camps aren't about sex" line and then I read Atomised and felt a right chump.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree too!

It all depends on context. In an already-sexual context, someone taking their clothes off definitely increases excitement. Outside of that context - nah, it's just a person with nothing on.

(xxxpost)

I've never read Atomised, but it sounds like bollocks to me. It's not just a line - they're not about sex.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's like Tuomas says. if it wasn't suppressed here you wouldn't have the stigma thus excitement.
-- Konal Doddz (stevem7...), May 22nd, 2006.

i half-agree, there's something in this, but all the same even nudists have to wear clothes most of the time. surely they're doing it for *some* kind of excitement, the weekend de-suppression.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Excitement, no. Relaxation, yes. It's not like *everything* you do outside of work is for excitement, is it?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

far from it.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 22 May 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Can sagt " Ich bin mit meine clothes immer!"

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,1750388_4,00.jpg

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

So anyway, the nude.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think nakedness must be the best argument for living alone. No more scrabbling for PJs at 3am!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

You are quite wise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

careful where you sit, loner

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Or you can just live with people who don't care/will get used to it.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

gowns.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

don't buy a white couch then

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Woman allowed to sunbathe naked

"She walked back and fore completely naked - I went to get my video camera to record the incident.

"I have been extremely shaken by this. It has been very upsetting and worrying. I don't want to bring up my children in such an environment."

After filming the upsetting incident for as long as the tape duration etc.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Cap'n Beefheart reference.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Steve that is golden.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ally oTm; unless you're living with pals, in which case Duh-huhd.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

when i worked at a movie theater a few years ago there was this seemingly ancient dude who worked there, who somewhat resembled the crypt keeper. allegedly he was only in his 50's but was like a hippy drug casualty who once lived in a nudist colony.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)


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