We hate it when our friends become successful

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What's the more famous (non-Morrissey) quote along these lines?

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

You shut your mouth.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sez here:

Unconscious echoing is inevitable and increasingly can be anticipated. An example occurs in Alain de Botton's Status Anxiety, where the author writes: "There are few successes more unendurable than those of our close friends.'' If this sounds like a sentiment that, say, Oscar Wilde might have expressed, it is because in 1881 he did: "Anybody can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success."

Gore Vidal, for his part, offered this variation in 1973: "Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something inside me dies.'' Moreover, Wilde's phrase was subsequently adapted by the British pop singer Morrissey in his song We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful. De Botton does not credit Wilde, Vidal or Morrissey, and there is no reason why he should. After all, what they are all expressing here is something that is universally true and presumably always has been.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Question now answered:

"Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies" – Gore Vidal, The Sunday Times Magazine, 16 Sept 1973

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

de botton is a tool.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Quite so, you crazy person, I just posted that and more. ;-)

The sentiment itself is one I've fallen prey to at times, but mostly over matters of personal happiness rather than fame, fortune, etc. (in large part because most of my friends don't suffer from the problem of too much money to spend and all that).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

My only weakness oh well whatever never mind, never mind, woh.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

x-post to Alba initially of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but who first wrote You're the one for me, fatty?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Rubens

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

catherine of aragon

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Jabba the Hutt's dancer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Jonah

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

"You're the one for me, fatty" was a punchline to a joke by some comedian. Ken Dodd? Les Dawson? someone like that...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I've always been happy for my friends when they have success with their bands or careers or whatever...

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

... when they've earned it.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Really? I hate the fact that the fuckers have some kind of stupid hard work ethic that they flaunt in everyone's face, the diligent, motivated arseholes.

Crimea River (Mark C), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I was worried for a while that I'd be bitter and pathetic about friends getting ahead of me in, umm, my field, but it's actually just made me really happy. That's possibly easier within your field, and just for a while, at first -- for a few years your friends' success makes it seem like you're nearly there, but then if years go by and you don't follow, possibly you start wanting to strangle them.

Friends' success based on decisions you don't like -- when they're successful based on doing something you find lame -- that surely breeds resentment, since in some small stupid sense it's a "betrayal."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

but surely, it it's lame, why would you care?

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Because you might think "well geez, I could do that lame-ass thing, too, and have all that money and be all fancy, and stuff, but it's lame, and I thought my friend and I agreed that it was lame and we weren't going to do it."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

this used to really get to me -- this sense that i wasn't producing enough, that i wasn't pitching hard enough, that i wasn't getting published fast enough, that other writers were running circles around me. then i talked on the phone to one of my friends in germany, expressing these frustrations. he said to me: "geeta, you're not a robot," and i started laughing. i think because a german was telling me i wasn't a robot. suddenly my world--which had been spinning fast out of control--slowed down to a comfier pace. it's yr life--work at it at your own pace. i'm only 26. i don't want to be a burnout by the time i'm 40.

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

it's yr life--work at it at your own pace.

Yus. In many ways I think I'm getting to a really nice place with my own writing -- and in other areas as well -- that I would not have been able to be at earlier. Taking it reasonably easy but always trying to keep busy as I go is yet paying dividends.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing that bothers me when a friend succeeds is when they got the job without graduating, having a diploma or a portfolio and act all proud of themselves when it was their dad who got them the job at his firm.

This is made worse when after 6 months he gets called into his boss's office, gets a massive raise and a promotion - when I (and most everybody in the industry) has had to work like a dog for at least year only to be given a modest salary adjustment when you finally goad your superiors into taking care of your performance review.

Fuck i hate him.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)


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