this is a thread for the only sporting event worth following in the coming month, ie ROLAND GARROS 2006

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Draws came out this morning (it was very exciting watching them unfold with this new-fangled computerised system, with names zooming all over the place on my screen!)

In the men's tournament all eyes are surely on the potential Federer v Nadal final. A win for Fedge would mean that not only would he hold all four Slam crowns simultaneously, but that he would be halfway to completing the Grand Slam itself. Unfortunately he has a pretty significant obstacle in the form of young Rafael, who seems to have a clay-court winning streak stretching back forever (currently on 53 matches, tied with Vilas for the all-time record - if he wins his first match he gets the record to himself). And even more ominously, Nadal has beaten Federer in all three finals they've faced off in this year so far, and holds a 5-1 career record over the man who is otherwise as close to invincible as it's possible to get.

Potential spoilers of this grand narrative: none, to be honest. Nalbandian and Safin have the talent but not the head/health yadda yadda yadda; Almagro, Acasuso and Robredo are in extremely hot clay form at the moment which means that they might be able to win a set off Fed/Nad if they play them.

Women's draw is far more wide open - it's a pity that the two favourites (Justine Henin-Hardenne, for past form, and Nadia Petrova, for current form ie she is yet to be beaten on clay this year) have been drawn to meet in the quarters. This is better for Petrova - she may have beaten JHH in the Berlin final t'other week, but she's unproven in the latter stages of a Slam, and the sooner she gets to play her the less likely it is that she'll get nervous. OR you could ignore them both and go old-school for a potential Venus Williams v Martina Hingis final!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'll swap you Roger Federer for one Nalbandian shiny.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's Safin I'm missing :(

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

oh good there's only a two day overlap between this and the world cup.

Shame about Wimbledon huh :-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

they can't sacrifice any of wimbledon for the world cup! they MUSTN'T. wimbledon is TRADITION.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

ha! well by the time wimbledon starts it'll be in the last stages of the world cup anyway - don't worry.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

yes it is unlikely england will still be around then innit.

my Roland Garros q-f predictions:

Mauresmo v V.Williams
Safina v Kuznetsova
Henin-Hardenne v Petrova
Hingis v Clijsters

Federer v Acasuso
Nalbandian d Davydenko
O.Rochus v Ferrer
whoever wins the Gonzalez/Safin opener v Nadal

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray. This wasn't on TV here last year, but I think it will be this time and and and and I have no work and nothing better to do so I will hopefully watch all of it.

Hard to see Nadal losing, innit?

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 26 May 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno - on paper yes, BUT Federer is getting closer and closer to beating him on clay (had match points in their last match). I would probably give a slight edge to Nadal but wouldn't be surprised if either won.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 May 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

Nadal could lose earlier conceivably, Federer won't. I know the winning streak and all, but clay court dudes are unpredictable (see Puerta, there are lots of past examples). I could see Nadal going down. (Haven't looked at the draw yet). I'm rooting for him though!

There's a new espn blog with an entry about the perspective of Nadal's streak from a couple days ago. Blog is sort of apologist so far, like 'take your medicine', here's why you should care if you normally watch baseball.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=goldstein_paul&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dgoldstein_paul

mcd (mcd), Friday, 26 May 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I started a thread for this this morning, without the football-baiting title. :(

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 May 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

Federer pinches the first set vs Hartfield 7-5 - whaddya reckon he'll rip thru the next two for the loss of three games?

As for the World Cup, I think we can forget about Wimbledon BBCi extra courts/live scoring if there are any clashes with England matches - all that precious bandwidth will be needed for Alan Green R5L commentary and tedious stats.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 May 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

BAH IT IS NOT ON FREE-TO-AIR TV HERE AND I AM FUCKING PISSED.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

tennis is duller than your grandma's panties at the best of times

BUT TENNIS ON CLAY? UGHHHHHHHHHH

The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand your rationale? How might clay make it worse for you?

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Presumably because two people hitting a ball back and forth is the dull essence of tennis and the rallies go on for so much longer on clay (once upon a time, men's tennis was "dull" because there were no rallies on anything other than clay). But who cares what Fucknut thinks, really?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

McEnroe went apeshit on Grass, Hardcourt and Rebound Ace.

BUT NEVER CLAY!

The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Apeshit" in this context meaning what? He totally lost it at the French on a few occasions - vs Testerman in r1 1983, in the midst of the infamous Lendl final the following year; he imploded against Wilander in the quarters one year - throwing away 23 straight points.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

But not Total Apeshit.

Geez, don't you know any tennis terms? Go back to the concrete courts or stick to the Strawberries & Cream, will ya?

The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, you're forgetting about McEnroe going Truly Crazy Ape-bonkers On All Fours on indoor carpet, like smashing the fuck out of his courtside seat in Stockholm one year vs Jarryd, or verbally abusing Brad Gilbert across the net at Madison Square Garden (before losing so dismally he had to pack the sport in for eight months).

Maybe McEnroe's problem with clay was that the ball tends to leave a mark, so less room for disputes (though it does lend an extra edge for the paranoiac - "You're looking at the wrong mark, man! You KNOW that wasn't the shot I'm talking about!").

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 May 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

washington-sharapova ws marvellous!

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

tennis on clay is the best kind of tennis!

not that i saw any of it today, suffering from a triple whammy of a) forgetting it was starting early this year, b) inability to move from bed until 4pm due to hangover and c) er not having a tv let alone the right channels anyway.

i'm shocked that sharapova had so much trouble with washington even despite her lack of preparation - washington has been awful all season and got even worse when the tour hit clay. i think safarova will take the shazbot out in the third - if she doesn't safina will destroy her in the fourth.

though i wouldn't be surprised if benesova gets her first! benesova is one of those players i can't figure out at all, she has so many bad, heavy losses every year but every so often pulls something big out of her sleeve eg beating pierce in australia this year.

londoners, do you know of ANY pubs in this city of ours which might conceivably show this on tv?

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

i was a bit surprised to see that fed is bitching about the start time - he's never usually one to throw "I AM THE WORLD NO 1 EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND ME" hissy fits.

oh look fabrice santoro in marathon five-setter SHOCKER!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

washington played really well, totally unlike her ranking, had her on the ropes and then got cold feet.

the finals are on the 10th and 11th - i assume every pub will have the world cup on :-) xp

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

got to see the last set of santoro v acasuso - fantastic! santoro was utterly bamboozling acasuso for a while, throwing all this crazy nonsense spinny stuff at him - there was one incredible point when he was pretty much off screen, retrieving these massive overheads, but finally got a reply deep enough to sprint up to the net himself and win the point with a stop volley. shame he lost.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen nothing aside from one slapped return winner from the Clidge on Sky Sports News.

Massu blew a two-set lead vs Malisse but then recovered from a double-break deficit in the decider to nudge through 9-7; Kirsten Flipkens beat Virginie Pichet in the cutesiest match-up of round one - they both sound like characters in a whimsical CBBC exchange-student drama. Or bunnies. Greg R is offering token resistance vs Mink DeVille while our Golden Wonder Starace is out, blowing a two set lead like a berk.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Tick one round off on the countdown to the final between the guy who never loses except to that one guy and that one guy - Nadal overcomes a second-set blip to liquidate Soderling in three.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 29 May 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

that trophy - if you can call it that - presented to Nadal for his achievement in setting a new record for unbeaten games on clay sure ws something.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 29 May 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

It just occurred to me that "Allez Monfils!" translates as "Come on, my son!"

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

haha. i love monfils, i wish he and murray weren't playing in the first round (though i wish i was watching the match more than that).

myskina through in easy straight sets over mirza: relief! mirza is shit on clay but lately there has been no match so easy that anastasia can't manage to fuck it up. hingis through in straight sets: hurrah! also hurrah at the unblunted tongue - in the press conference she was asked to gauge her level, and her reply was along the lines of "when you're playing someone like lisa raymond you can't tell very much".

haas shuttles schuttler out of the tournament in straight sets - that australian open final seems a long way away now, doesn't it rainer? - while the most famous cypriot in the world (possibly) also off to a good start over portas. robby ginepri's slump continues - maybe that us open semi-final last year was the worst thing to happen to his career, as he's won all of three matches this year so far.

kaia kanepi was a junior i expected to break through about four years ago - she didn't do this at all, but now she finally gets a win at a senior slam, over peschke.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

Murrrray holding sway in the clash of the Hot New Things - lost the first set, pinched the second, romped through the third.

Oh look, Ivo Karlovic is involved in some tie-breaks. The first twelve games of each set must be such a unfathomable nuisance to him. "Do we have to?"

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Murray has had a bck problem since the 3rd set, he only took it bcz Monfils' brain had gone walkabout. But he's about to win the 4th and Murray will probably lose now.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Favourites not walking it in the women's: Emmy Lwah losing 1st set 1-6 to Clarisa Fernandez; Kirilenko down 1-2 in the third against Sev Bremond.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Emmy Lwah is a _favourite_?

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

she's a favourite of mine, baby.

(she's played pretty badly all year. though given that fernandez has played pretty badly for two years now, The Law should still be winning...gah)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Murray flops out 2-6 1-6 in the last two sets. More tabloid flak for Andy, I expect.

Can we anticipate round one downfall for Rodders this afternoon vs Not-Todd Martin? He's having a wretched year but seemed to have picked up his clay-court game a notch recently. I actually thought he was going to skip Paris, injured.

Ivo won 8-6 7-1 12-10. A real beggars' banquet.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

oh andy. growing pains. i'm surprised he took it to five - monfils has been in much better form (i think murray has won, what, two matches since he won the title in san jose in march?). sure, murray beat monfils the other week, but i think that was as much to do with monfils' exhaustion as anything else - and murray promptly lost to james blake which is sort of ludicrous on clay.

i totally hope not-todd can win today! but i've never been impressed with his game, not even on clay...still, dickhead should definitely lose in round 3 to le petit rochus.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

gah, another of my eastern european prodigies goes down - miss victoria azarenka, of belarus, who is one of the hardest hitters i have EVER seen, comes undone after winning the first set 6-0 against anabel medina garrigues - azarenka eventually loses 7-9 in the third...

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

kirilenko (aka the face of stella mccartney!) comes through an epic, 8-6 in the third over bremond.

holy shit, nadia petrova is a set and a break down!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa. And she's playing Akiko's Moggy Army - you'd not have picked this out (which means Petrova will claw it back or Moggy'll fall to pieces or something. Either way - it's a Grand Slam, she's Nadia Petrova, a quarter-final exit is practically a contractual obligation, no?)

The Loiterer comes good in the end and is through in three.

Elsewhere - Tommy-Jo is crushing The Other Rochus, Crayfish getting gutted by Yakimova, and Gisela Dulux is a set up but a break down against The Long Awaited Return To The Grand Slam Scene Of Julia's Bagel Time!

And now Rova's two breaks down to Moggy.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

nadia was pre-tournament favourite! she is unbeaten on clay this season (haha not in a few minutes' time she won't be) - maybe the pressure has got to her.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Two seeds out today - Fat Bob out in four to Montanes, and Go Go Gadget Golovin disappoints the home crowd in straight sets against Jie Zheng. In the clash of the tennis thread titans, Princess Anastasia clonked Our Sania 6-4 6-1.

JHH dismisses Ani (From Estonia) 6-3 6-0, and Mog's serving at 5-2 up against Rova.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Mog mugs Rova 6-2 6-2!

Elsewhere, Dicko's 4-2 down against Marty, Bagel Timer gets the second set against Dulks.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god nadia you are a ridiculous girl. pre-tournament favourite and you lose first round in straight sets to mpaperfolding.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

poor gisela dulko - she got dumped by that cad tommy robredo a few weeks ago. he went on to win his first masters series title the following week, but poor gisela hasn't won a match since :(

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no. I heart the Graceful Gazelle! This tournament is preposterous already.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

oh well at least roddick is a set down :)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Though, to be fair, Dulko's 3-0 up in the decider.

On Court 3, Bobby Vik and Florent Serra are tearing strips off each other - 1-6 6-1 1-1 at the moment. Both games in the third have gone against serve.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Roddick hanging on grimly in the second set. Do we really want him to lose here though? Don't like the idea of Pandy having all that grasscourt prep ahead of Queens/Wimbledon.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Bagels serving at 6-7 down in the third against Dulks. Rodders 5-4 up in the second, Ferdy Gonzalez takes the first set 6-3 against Safin, Jonas Bjorkman loses the first set to Jeremy Chardy, Serra takes the third set 7-5 against Vik.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I like the idea of the "boxed set" - a career Slam of singles, doubles & mixed (only Hart, Court-Smith and Nav have done it).

Bandy a break up!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

COME ON BANDY!!!! I think he's teh handsome.

Crimea River (Mark C), Friday, 9 June 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Bandy breaks again to take the first set 6-3; Federer has only taken five points off Nalbo's serve and hasn't had a single break point. ITF-approved Slam seems a little less likely right now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Fedz is getting murdered so far - anyone watching this? Injury? Mistiming groundstrokes? Or DN just too good?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

And...Federer breaks back at his first opportunity. Interesting stuff. I'm off out for lunch...by the time I get back I expect Federer to be two sets to one up but a break down in the 4th. Or maybe I'll just get a sandwich and try to reinstall WinTV on that idle PC...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

when i saw that fed was 3-6 0-3 down, my initial reaction was shock - i mean, i fully expected him to lose at least one set if not two to big dave, but i didn't expect it to be quite so comprehensive. then i realised i was still in women's-match mindset, where a 3-6 0-3 deficit = three games from defeat, and that in fact it might not turn out to be that much of an uphill climb for roger - and indeed he seemed to turn set 2 around very smartly indeed, having taken it 6-4. i wouldn't be surprised if he loses another set though.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 June 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

bbc news 24 just showed an insane nighlight of roger running back to retrieve a nalbandian lob and then hitting a ferocious down-the-line passing shot winner between his legs. i am kind of in awe, yet again.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 June 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Nalbo's quit at 2-5 in the third??

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

In the 1st set Fed's timing on his shots was completely off, esp on the backhand.

But on the 2nd set he went on to play ONE GREAT, MAGNIFICENT, NEVER SEEN BEFORE SHOT! Really - tape that, show it to the kids and maybe in a generation or two it might become common. After that he was suddenly at his very very best and broke Bandy.

Into the 3rd Bandy had a recurrence to an old injury (to his abdominal muscle, i think) and that was that. If Bandy tried to stay with him that level he might've dropped off and then we're into you-never-know territory. xp= yes.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Lex has just described a shot he played just after he got his game back.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

first french final for fedge!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

Red button BBC action tomorrow, 11am to 7 pm. You may already have discussed this, I can't be arsed to read the whole thread.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

Read the whole thread, PJM. The first letter of each line in my posts forms a dirty acrostic.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ljub broken in the 1st.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

I probably will read your bits, when it's all over.

Ah, summer, etc.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

and broken again - Nadal is quite impossible right now.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Ljub gets a break back - going for more lines + a couple of unforced errors.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nadal two sets up. Keep Sunday afternoon clear, folks.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ljubcic served and played better in the 3rd but its Nadal through to the final after a good tie-break.

Can't wait..

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

From The Times this morning:

...when, implausibly, he played a flicked forehand to a deep approach and conjured a cross-court winner. What Nalbandian assumed would be 30-all was 40-15 and, little did he know it, his match was over.

Federer described it as a squash shot. “It’s paying off, all the squash I played with my father early on, it helped me out in the semi-finals of the French Open, that’s not bad,� he said.

If that shot was something remarkable, in the process of winning five games in succession, he played one even more special, leaping off in pursuit of a drop shot and, with his face to the back of the court, fashioning a reverse sweep of a forehand winner down Nalbandian’s forehand wing. He raised one arm in the air, Alan Shearer-style, as the crowd erupted in rapture.

So squash, then. Talked to my brother about this (he has seen much more squash than me). He said that it explains the 2nd but NOT the 1st special shot.

Ladies final is live on BBC2 and only highlights of tomorrow's encounter, which i thought they'd change to live coverage.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 June 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

DOuble H won the first set 6-4, but Sveta has a break. Woo! MATCH!

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 10 June 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's JHH. Svetz didn't really seem to get going (I was channel-hopping all afternoon).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 10 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

It...wasn't great, no, Kuznetsova played the occasional very well-worked, well-constructed point, but a whole lot of horrific unforced errors too. JHH wasn't exactly on top form either but she she was a lot more in control of her game, and at the end she really stepped it up and closed it out well.

First woman since Steffi Graf to defend at Roland Garros!

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 10 June 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

yay for Justine

McEnroe described the first as a squash shot on the rebroadcast

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 10 June 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

(I watched this.)

Henin didn't lose a set during the whole two weeks!!

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Saturday, 10 June 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Federer out to early 5-0 lead shock!

It's somewhat misleading though - Nadal was very nervy and made a bundle of uncharacteristic errors at the start, and found himself down 0-3 0-40 in no time at all - then he played a typical Nadal grinding point, 25 shots or something, and then it all seemed to click. Too late to rescue that service game, but Federer had a mighty struggle in his last service game, and it's definitely MATCH ON now.

A joy to watch obv, already several OMG shots!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't joking when I said I'd be steaming wallpaper during this - I think I'm sweating as much as the players. However, me working = Federer jinx because in the time it's taken me to do three walls, Fedx as gone from 5-0 to 6-1 1-6 3-5.

Nadal totally has his number - limp end to the third set and Federer facing triple break-point at the start of set four.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

This match is awful...unforced error after unforced error from Federer. Nadal vs. Mathieu was, like, ten times better than this.

lurker #2421, inc. (lurker-2421), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

the second and third sets were rather bad yes - Federer looked completely down and out when Nadal served for the match at 5-4 in the fourth, he just wasn't firing on ANY cylinders - but at 30-30 he played this incredible defensivbe point, broke back, and now is playing with a bit of his usual panache. We shall see what comes of it.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, he's started turning it around just as I was turning over for the other sporting event that The Lex doesn't think is worth watching...

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

For a moment, I believed...phenomenal break-back by Federer but another quartet of errors gifts a game to Nadal. Don't fancy RF's chances in this breaker.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

All over.

So, what happened to the Federer backhand? He was hitting it so freely in the first set - it just seemed to get tighter and tighter as the match went on.

I've no doubt Federer will win the French one year, he is the second best clay-court player in the world after all - but it'll probably be a year Nadal is out injured.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. Nadal is no joke, huh?

Dan (Juggernaut Of Clay) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

The way the Federer backhand crumbled and died was quite horrid to watch. I don't think it was even all for the obvious that Nadal's topspin lefty forehand forces Federer to hit a lot of v high single-handed backhands - even on relatively simple shots he just seemed to over-press.

The scary thing is that Nadal can beat Federer on hard courts too - leads the non-clay head-to-head 2-1.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

I can't think of another rivalry in sport quite like this; Federer is 3000+ pts clear of Nadal in the rankings, has only lost once to anyone else in the last 13-14 months, is widely believed to be the most talented guy ever to play the sport but he cannot beat Nadal (the one win in seven he's had was from 2 sets/match points down).

The imbalance in the circuit's make-up has something to do with the gulf between them in the rankings - it's possible to play all year round on clay but only one of the majors is on that surface (and two/three of the Masters Series?) - but the head-to-head record is something else.

McEnroe lost something like seven times in a row to Lendl in the early-'80s when JPMcE was considered the best in the world (but this was before his 1984 dominance) before he figured him out (and switched from wood to graphite). Not the same though.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Funnily enough I was thinking how whenever Fed has failed in slams its always been in the semis - whenever he's gotten through to the final he's won. But here, Bandy retired, Fed didn't beat him!

Quite incredible, shocking, etc. Like lurker said Matthieu put up far more of a fight than Fed did! His backhand did collapse against Nalbandian before he got his game back in the 2nd, but here its like he gave everything he could in the 1st and then proceeded to capiltulate.

And I'm sure most of us had such high hopes for this match!

I think Fed will probably have to beat him first in a tour match and try and build something, anything, from there. Or amazingly enough, Roger Fedrer might have to improve, somehow! That or hiring a sports psychologist instead of a coach. Wasn't Lendl obessed with winning Wimbledon, but I dunno my tennis history, will Fed end up trying to even re-model parts of his game? yes, I'm just ranting now..

Wonder how all this will play out for the rest of the season for him.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 11 June 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see Federer slice a bit more on clay, if only to spare us the sight of that topspin backhand misfiring as he strains to give Nadal's leftie forehand something that isn't in his comfort zone. I think it is a mental thing now; to be effortlessly better than your peers for nearly three years only to find there's this one teenager who can run down everything you throw at him...

Lendl, in collaboration with Tony Roche, forced himself to become a serve-volley grasscourt player. He reached the Wimbledon semis twice without really deviating from his natural baseline game, but started attacking the net more from '85 onwards. Ironically, it was this new all-court game that destroyed McEnroe on hardcourt at the '85 USO but, with his volleying reflexes tested beyond their limit on quick grass, it never really worked as well at Wimbledon. Still, if it hadn't rained at 5-7 7-6 3-0 vs Becker in '89...

I don't think we can expect much from Nadal over the next month but when the North American hardcourt season starts, this rivalry will resume. I'd love to see a USO final between them...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's Federer's mindset which needs to change, more than anything - he seems so obsessed with winning well against Nadal, with imposing his game on him, that he seems to over-press far too much. It's quite, quite bizarre to watch Federer seem so at sea - I couldn't detect any sort of useful strategy from him yesterday! I was shocked, really - the trend of the Federer v Nadal rivalry on clay has been one where Federer is inching closer and closer, in Rome Federer even held match points. So this, I feel, is kind of a regression. It'll be interesting to see whether it affects him at all on the grass - he can't be at his peak mentally right now.

If Nadal wants to do well on grass it's his grips which need to change - he has the ability to play first-rate attacking tennis (towards the end of the third set this was v evident) but he has such an extreme Western grip that his ability to deal with low-bouncing balls will be somewhat limited.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 12 June 2006 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah ROLL OF HONOUR!

Men's singles: Rafael Nadal
Women's singles: Justine Henin-Hardenne
Men's doubles: Jonas Bjorkman and Max Mirnyi
Women's doubles: Lisa Raymond and Samantha Stosur
Mixed doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Katarina Srebotnik
Boys' singles: Martin Klizan
Girls' singles: Agnieszka Radwanska
Boys' doubles: Emiliano Massa and Kei Nishikori
Girls' doubles: Sharon Fichman and Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova

in the women's doubles Raymond/Stosur beat Hantuchova/Sugiyama - has there been a doubles Slam final before where the four competitors were from not just different countries but different continents?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! Tony Roche collaborating with Lendl and Fed, huh?

Last night I was quite disappointed that it wasn't a classic, more than anything. In a way, I didn't care who won...now i'm also feeling it was great (even right!) that Nadal won (also don't remember Nadal feeling the heat on clay as he did on that 1st set). Not only cuz its a great story: Nadal pretty much the last line of resistance (bar Safin or Bandy getting it together once in a blue moon) to total Fed domination of the men's game, and also reading all the complaints about Nadal's supposed time-wasting between points and fist-pumping. Well I like fist-pumping and I like how he keeps so much control over his emotions and then lets it go when he wins a truly great point! Besides, its a great last tester for Fed to overcome..

anyway, its been fun...Wimbledon will be here soon. Hoping to turn up again and watch some matches in the 1st week.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

Represent for my girl Agnieszka Radwanska. She is from The Poland! And she beat the Russian top seed who has the most ridiculous name EVAH.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

what like RADWANSKA isn't a ridiculous name!

Agnieszka seems to be very good anyway - she made her senior WTA debut in Warsaw the other month and beat Myskina in three sets (this may have been partly due to Nastya being retarded but still v impressive). And she has a little sister, Urszula, who is apparently even better.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

I am also not entirely sure if we should talk about the grass warm-ups here but hey ho Henbot beat Agatha at Queen's which is a result neither here nor there as they are both total has-beens.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

Radwanska is only a slightly ridiculous name, it really needs a couple of Zs in it. Looks like "Wanksta" does it not.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

yes - a RAD wanksta though!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

The tennis parents are just making it too easy/difficult (delete as appropriate) for the nicknamers.

lol at Agassi being old.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

I am also not entirely sure if we should talk about the grass warm-ups here

Rolling ATP/WTA (/FC/DC/WTC/AMC/ITF etc) thread maybe?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be totally up for that but fear endless talking to myself during non-Slams!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

We did try it once, didn't we? And there was the Masters Cup thread one year where I was the only poster!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't help that it's impossible for most of us to see non-Slam matches on TV...

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)


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