nicholson baker

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his books clutter second hand shops everywhere. but who is he? are those books any good? tell me, should i care, or should i ignore?

gareth, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He is 'Greatest American Living Writer' (apart from Bellow) sez me.

He invented a new narrative device which you might call 'microscopic'. He pays attention to apparently insignificant details, observations about paper clips and the origami of milk cartons or the way his thought process has been altered by John Updike, and finds deeper significance in them.

I could relate this to fractals. Matmos and wabi sabi but someone would pounce on me with a sharpened stick, uttering blood-curdling cries. Suffice to say his books are elegant, thoughtful, funny and sexy.

Momus, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As Nitsuh once said somewhere on ILE, the problem with Nicholson Baker is that he taps into a way of looking at things that is so on his (and my) wavelength that one ends up thinking 'hmm.. somehow fiction ought to be doing something other than this.

Do read 'The Mezzanine' though. And maybe 'The Fermata' (which covers the dirty side of obsessive male daydreaming).

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

only do these things if you do not care for a story. I felt swizzed by The Mezzanine -- I might have to read it again now that I know what happens (nothing) -- cos all along I expected the main narrator to be insane. His meditations on all insignificant things kept making me think "this bloke is avoiding something". Either that or he's an industrial designer.

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Threads on which he has been discussed (though I can't find the particular one I referenced above): 1, 2, 3, 4. And others.

Nicholson Baker terrorises librarians!

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Those links all work, even though it looks like ass.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Alan, do you really never think in that way? I don't as much these days, and I probably never did as much as him, but 'insane'? No!

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sure, but not to the exclusion of ANYTHING else. Like I say i may have to read it again, because my preconceptions of a standard narrative led me to think that this one was "off balance". This is a norm judged against other books -- if i don't do that, then maybe something else will shine through, something i was distracted from by what appeared to me as an abnormal psychology.

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i had a peek at the mezzanine and that looked good, rather like Donald Antrim on first glance.

Nicks Momus & Dastoor? are his books anything like Antrims?

gareth, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry - haven't read Antrim.

N., Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Search: The Mezzanine, U & I.

Destroy: everything else.

The Mezzanine is great, but it's a book that can be written exactly once. (Room Temperature the follow up is bleh. Vox is worse (NB has a very adolescent attitude to sex: see also the one about that guy who can stop time and look at people naked). And the slope of decline ends with the Never-ending Story of Nory (or whatever it's called) for pity's sake. 'U&I' escapes the cull because it is non-fiction (NB is completely unsuited to plot, characterisation, any of that story business - I suspect his collection of essays, 'Lumber - or the size of thoughts' may be pretty good, if a little anal), and is a brilliant and funny illustration of the anxiety of influence.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I liked The Mezzanine a great deal. I seemed to read most of it in the campus laundrette at L'boro Uni, which heightened the mundanity of my surroundings to an almost unbearable degree. I recall reading a couple of Updikes in there too, which failed to have the same pseudo-hallucinogenic effect. My jeans just got streaky in the dryer.

Michael Jones, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Lumber' is good. I sort of agree with Edna on the general hierarchy.

Momus, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm fondest of his essays (collected in _The Size of Thoughts_--the "lumber" one really is as good as it should be), and I like _Room Temperature_ a lot too--it's like a less show-offish version of _The Mezzanine_. Can't stand Vox or The Fermata. _U & I_ is agreeably bonkers but drags on a bit.

Douglas, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have read The Mezzanine, The Fermata, and Vox, and I love them all.

The Mezzanine is easily the best, because although the protagonist is probably the least sympathetic (I find the narrator a complete asshole, but this may be because I identify far too much with him) the style works extremely well. I can't see the insane thing at all, but then I was expecting intricate nothingness.

Vox I like despite my better judgement- it's quite simplistic, but I think the fact that it is actually kind of sweet wins me over. Even though I usually hate things that are sweet.

Dunno about The Fermata, really, its obsessions don't seem as fervent as that of The Mezzanine, but it sits well between the other two- sexual and fixated...

I read somewhere quite a funny parody of him as a porno website writer...

emil.y, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm actually most fond of The Everlasting Story of Nory, to be completely honest. But Nick D. is paraphrasing me correctly: when I sit down and just write I inevitably sink into the same intricate analysis of commonplaces and mundanities, social and physical, that Baker kicked his career off with -- and I inevitably go back and cut out those parts, because I want the work of my fiction writing to revolve around culling that material into something with more grace and more backbone, because I feel the great breakdown into intense consciousness of mundanity has been well and achieved and what is difficult and important now is to go back to saying something about it, cleanly and weightily. Thus I secretly resent Baker, because I could write the sort of thing he does and it would be 100 times easier than what I work on now, and yet I won't let myself. He, however, will.

The Everlasting Story of Nory at least breaks out of the mundanity-analysis of the middle-class adult male and does a little work toward capturing the mundanity-analysis of the middle-class pre- teen female. I think this is the most honorable move Baker's ever made, insofar as it represents not his trying to get in touch with mental analysis of another, very different human being, but to get in touch with that human being herself, to break out of the claustrophobia of pinging self-conscious alertness and into the world where other people have their own selves.

Complaining aside, though, I enjoy reading Baker -- although I think The Mezzanine is basically enough for the casual reader. Its conclusion also made me proud to work for an academic publisher, I must admit. The Fermata gets at something worthwhile as well -- clumsily, but then it's a difficult "something" to get at any other way.

Gareth: If you enjoy Antrim, there is a good chance you will enjoy The Mezzanine at the least. The Antrim comparison is valid in terms of form -- both stretch hours of "real" time into hundreds of pages of exposition and intense focus on various minor details and interior connections and etc. The difference is that Antrim's focus is always people and how they relate to one another. Baker is not soulless or hideously solipsistic -- pretty solipsistic, but not hideously so -- but there's a wall of self-consciousness that keeps both him and his characters from getting to anything as great as I'd sometimes like them to. I used to be very interested in this wall, because I had problems with it -- I was interested in naming it and feeling it out and thinking about it. But at some point, which happened to coincide with my readings of Baker, I started to realize how much naming and dwelling on that wall verges on celebrating it -- whereas I would be better off striving to break it down.

I am still in favor of self-consciousness. But human interaction requires a certain amount of presumption, and self-consciousness inevitably swallows up that presumption until interaction becomes impossible. Baker's books are tangentially about this. But they merely point it out and look at it, and hey: being self-conscious of self-consciousness isn't really going to help, now, is it? Cf The Fermata? These are good books that it makes me a worse person to read. They should be shipped to overconfident people everywhere, in the hopes that they will suddenly "get" Baker and realize their own prickishness.

Nitsuh, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I forgot to say (and I don't think anyone else has said this) that the specific reason I enjoyed The Mezzanine so much is that it made me laugh. I recall finding great swathes of the footnotes very funny. Was I not supposed to?

I suspect this is my chief criteria by which I judge books (and I don't really read them anymore). Comedy value. I don't read books to make me think. If I want to think, I go to the pub with Edna, The Pinefox and Tim.

Oh hang on - that might be drink.

Michael Jones, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fermate = great wanking material

goeff, Monday, 28 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Geoff is either (a) being sarcastic, (b) completely lacking in self- consciousness or shame concerning his most destructive neuroses, or (c) some odd type of man who does not see and fear some part of himself in the sexual fixations of The Fermata's narrator.

Ni~|suh, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, he's gay, isn't he?

Nitsuh - lighten up and revel in the self-loathing power of masturbation.

N., Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

netiher sarcastic nor fearful - there are some highly erotic scenes in the fermata...what's wrong with talking about it?

don't tell me you've never wanted to sit on a dildo whilst mowing the lawn?

goeff, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd rather mow a dildo while sitting on the lawn.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I really enjoyed The Mezzanine as well, it really appealed to the footnote lover in me. I think those up thread who said that it is a book which can only be written once are probably right too. I've not read anything else by him though - as I am at the whims of the library.

Pete, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
didn't care that much for the mezzanine in the end...

gareth, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have gone back and started to re-read, but got bored. looking at when it came out, 1985, perhaps such things were acceptable. A close friend says that despite the whimsy, she loved some of the language and found poetry in many of the musings. Sad to say, I couldn't find this anywhere. It just annoyed in much the way that Seinfeld's stand-up routines marr an otherwise excellent sit-com. "Do you ever notice how toilet roll dispensers..." etc. YES WE DID, NOW GIVE US SOMETHING FOR OUR MONEY THAT WE COULDN'T DO OURSELVES YOU LAZY GETS.

Alan T, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...
I thought I needed to better myself this summer so I started reading actual books again for the first time since last year......I copped the Mezzanine cuz it was slim......I love it.....this guy's brain works a lot like mine in pulling up memory threads for jokes but his style relies on the deadpan/goof angle and he does it damn well......it made me laugh......almost no author can do that to me..........the micro observational humor shit requires utter pinpointness, tiny explosions of cute recognition......like Steven Wright's 'bread and butter' quote.....you can't front......you do it wrong and you're Dave Eggers or any one of them blogger corpses pretending not to be a robot.......I scope the gearworks with my human eye

Ramosi, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Comparing him to Steven Wright? Now that's high praise, I have to say...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Nicholson Baker's fictional writings, but he is a bit of nutter. Double Fold had a lot of good and interesting points about book and document preservation, but he just got into too much of a hysterical tizzy over the whole thing.

Nicole, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Fermata is smut-tastic. It's about a man who can stop time. So he keeps stopping time, undressing women, strumming, dressing them up again, and then restarting time. Winner.

DV, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What a shame Ellie on Out of this World never thought of that, it would have made the programme much more interesting.

Emma, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

Reading the Mezzanine now for a book club. Brilliant descriptions, although it's a bit painful to read on the way to and from an office job.

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 October 2011 01:37 (fourteen years ago)

the way his thought process has been altered by John Updike

that's one way of putting it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 October 2011 10:10 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Anyone else see his piece in the New Yorker about LCD displays? A bit of a dull topic and the piece never really makes it off the ground. Nice observation of the smell of the vents on the back of old TVs though.

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Saturday, 13 July 2013 23:10 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

Paul Chowder returns in Traveling Sprinkler

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:44 (twelve years ago)

'Deluxe' edition includes 10 songs by written and sung by Baker (?!)

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 13 September 2013 00:45 (twelve years ago)

“Traveling Sprinkler” is a middling thing with sensational bits. But the songs? Like the cigars Paul is after, they blow your disbelieving head off. I want to delete them from my iTunes account, hold a cleansing ceremony and pretend they never happened.

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Saturday, 14 September 2013 01:01 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

He's on Twitter! @nicholsonbaker8

franny glasshole (franny glass), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:33 (nine years ago)

tweet vmic

r|t|c, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:03 (nine years ago)

Shocked to see how selectively harsh I was on NB back in 2002. Think it was The Anthologist that won me back over. I even like ...Nory now.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)

Great news. I think the medium is a good fit for his style

calstars, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:28 (nine years ago)

I'd be way harsher on him these days, tbh. The only one I'd still rep for is the Mezzanine.

emil.y, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:32 (nine years ago)

Room Temperature is excellent too. So is A Box of Matches. U and I is maybe even better than those, although probably not as good as The Mezzanine.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 8 September 2016 00:42 (nine years ago)

Dude followed me back. Month made

calstars, Saturday, 10 September 2016 00:19 (nine years ago)

At least in my memory, mezzanine and u & I were his standouts.

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:17 (nine years ago)

Human Smoke is slept on.

otm in the rain (Eazy), Saturday, 10 September 2016 02:27 (nine years ago)

house of holes is hilarious imo though also not very good, kind of inconsequential throwaway but I still enjoyed it

marcos, Saturday, 10 September 2016 03:22 (nine years ago)

and of course I had to follow him on twitter

marcos, Saturday, 10 September 2016 04:04 (nine years ago)

Nicholson Baker (@nicholsonbaker8) is now following you on Twitter!

marcos, Monday, 12 September 2016 14:39 (nine years ago)

lmao

marcos, Monday, 12 September 2016 14:39 (nine years ago)

three years pass...

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/my-brain-on-cable-new.php/

calstars, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:26 (six years ago)

three years pass...

https://i.imgur.com/ByNsSyS.jpg

tfw nicholson baker has seen your insta story

calstars, Sunday, 10 December 2023 18:28 (two years ago)

three months pass...

Wanted to be enthusiastic about his new book about drawing but I learned out he just traces

calstars, Friday, 5 April 2024 22:02 (one year ago)

surely there's still some good stuff in there? bummer about the tracing news though i guess!

pitted (blue6ave), Saturday, 6 April 2024 02:36 (one year ago)

a nice overview & review of the new one https://www.bookforum.com/print/3004/nicholson-baker-learns-to-draw-25332

pitted (blue6ave), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 04:12 (one year ago)


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