AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.
The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shakeThe Hague awake!"
The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.
"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.
"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighboring Belgium.
"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.
The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.
An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.
"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.
Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.
Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."
The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.
Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.
― Free train travel for all! (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)
The way he would (and I would imagine the way the pedophiles groups) go about normalizing it would go like this...
A) Separate a lust for children aged 13-18 from a lust for younger ones.
You immediately separate yourself from the "real sickos" out there who would prey on small children and distance yourself from them to the best of your abilities. He agreed that "pedophilia" as he defined it (sexual interests in prepubescent children) was sick and a real crime, etc but that he wasn't about that at all, he had a fetish for teenage girls and you can't get too upset about that, can you? This argument stresses the arbitrariness of age of consent laws and points out that every guy has made the occasional mistake of thinking a 14-year-old girls was older. Did that make you a "sicko" or a "pedo" when you did that? No, so why should he be considered one if he does it all the time and knowingly? How much different do fourteen and eighteen-year-old girls look sometimes? Sometimes you can't tell at all!
This was all a misdirection though because as much as he liked teenage girls (as well as young men and grown women. The man's sexual orientation wasn't easily defined) he also had a thing for little girls who were obviously prepubescent. This was all a way of misdirecting the argument away from what he really was attracted to and tried to focus it on the grayer areas that people can sympathize with to a degree (Age of consent laws are arbitrary).
You could argue (and I did a little bit) that this tactic has certain aspects of slippery slope, precision fallacy, red herring and features a couple of other logical fallacies but that's besides the point. I'm just trying to show you how it worked.
B) Find a new name for Pedophilia and its subcategories.
The biggest problem they have is that the word is so stigmatized. I'm amazed their already isn't a popular cute word to separate the pedophiles who like little children from the guys who have a fetish for teenage girls. Life needs euphemisms to cover the grim realities in it. Pedophilia is long overdue for some Newspeak that helps to redefine what you're talking about.
I'm too tired to remember all the other arguments he would make and I don't want to write a 2000 word post dissecting pedophile propaganda and rhetoric but I hope I showed some interesting tactics that can and no doubt will be used in the future.
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (Compromise!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Revivalist (Revivalist), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)
Well, um, by definition, yeah.
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)
lol @ "friends from rehab"
― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)
Hey, maybe give it 10-20 years for the incestuous agenda to take root and the majority of you could be calling people, who have an ewwwww reaction to incest, incestaphobes.
It'll start by people starting to talk more often and openly about incest, and then the media will try to portray people interested in incest as victims. After that all the great historical figures who have had incestuous relationship will be honored (and even many who haven't, but new studies will come out claiming they have). Then the target will be people morally opposed to incest and any scientific evidence giving it a bad rap. Everything will be done to make them look bad or false. Then the activist groups will try to get lots of funding and celebrity endorsements. Next laws will change. People will be forced to attend divisity training if they even slightly mention what they really think about incest, because it might make people in incestuous relationships feel 'unsafe.'
This is all hypothetical of course.
-- A Nairn (moreta...), May 3rd, 2006 11:24 AM. (moretap) (link)
OK OK, maybe not.
But srlsly:
From the two or three known pedophiles I've met in my life ...
Really? Two or three? An even dozen? Can't remember?
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)
― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)
― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)
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