Come Anticipate (Robert Altman's) "A Prairie Home Companion"

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I don't know how much in common with the show itself this thing is going to have, and maybe the meeting of different sensibilities isn't going to work, but it certainly sounds promising.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

Altman & promising don't really go together.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

is lindsay lohan in this? cos *that's* promising.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

yes, and she's supposed to be pretty good

i suppose yhis is going to answer this question. but will the film provide an accurate picture? i kinda doubt it.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

Altman-tone is quite different from Keillor-tone, andI imagine it wins out

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

fingers crossed.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

I should say I like Keillor a lot more than Altman, as an artist at least

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's like "The Company" only it's about NPR! I expect awful.

― dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

one of the most overrated directors of all time.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

jesus christ i hate keillor. i'm looking forward to this movie because altman might actually take keillor's wholly invented small town jus' folks bullshit (which sells so well to both liberal urbanites and their suburban counterparts -- that's keillor's "art") and give it, if not a point or grounding in reality, at least an actual joke or two. plus it's all set in beauitful St. Paul, because whatever fucking town was the basis for ~~Gopher Prairie~~ ~~Grover's Corner~~ Lake Woebegone is now either strip malls and unemployed iron miners or mansions and lake houses for attorneys and bank VPs.

the show is Hee-Haw for midwesterners, without the charm.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

ISTR that Lohan was all upset about being denied club entrance in MN for being underage.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

plus it's all set in beauitful St. Paul, because whatever fucking town was the basis for Gopher Prairie Grover's Corner Lake Woebegone is now either strip malls and unemployed iron miners or mansions and lake houses for attorneys and bank VPs.

Keillor claims it was set in St Paul (in the theater where APHC is more often than not produced) because Altman didn't want to go out into Keillorland

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

also, what planet are you on if you think Keillor is after some sort of rural social realism?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

the same planet from whence people will shortly be arriving on this thread to complain about the lilywhite casting

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer "milky"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

As long as we all understand that APHC is simply a charmless Hee Haw for midwesterners it's okay.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Up next on ILE:Film, we bitch about Spinal Tap fans and why that makes Christopher Guest a prick who should die.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

i think my primary problem is just that that Jack Elam-looking motherfucker isn't funny.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

TS: pretentious film snobs vs. pretentious humorists whose stabs at being hotshot expat novelists failed, forcing them back to the safety of selling condescending ma and pa kettle nostalgia to public radio listeners.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

why is this a movie

― ath (ath), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

or pretentious humorless internet dickfarts who have nothing better to do than go on someone else's thread about an upcoming movie to let everybody know they don't get the jokes and shovel in some ad hominem about liberals with careers while they're at it

btw I don't think you're funny in the least but you don't see me telling all your friends how much you suck

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

i'm looking forward to the movie, actually. i like altman.

also, i am a liberal with a career.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Lake Woebegone is now either strip malls and unemployed iron miners or mansions and lake houses for attorneys and bank VPs.

Isn't Lake Woebegone fictional?

also, what planet are you on if you think Keillor is after some sort of rural social realism?

OTM. APHC can be pretty corny sometimes, but I think it's all fairly self-conscious: Keillor's a smart guy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

(which sells so well to both liberal urbanites and their suburban counterparts -- that's keillor's "art")

I can't defend APHC from much of the criticism offered above, but while this may be a significant demographic, I should note that almost all the people I know who love APHC are socially conservative and within two generations of living on the farm. It definately appeals to the sentiment of small town MN expatriates. All of the liberal urbanites I know despise the show.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

and Spider John Koerner's in it!

i remember in pre-production that Tom Waits and Lyle Lovett were supposed to play the Woody Harrelson/Tommy Lee Jones roles, which would've been awesome.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

i remember in pre-production that Tom Waits and Lyle Lovett were supposed to play the Woody Harrelson/Tommy Lee Jones roles, which would've been awesome.

Oh, what could have been! Perfect. Damn.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

i think liberal urbanites in Mpls and St Paul (which is my background, i'm a cliche, etc.) despise it, but I think it's very beloved in places like NYC (where they do huge sold out shows every year), where the audience is typical NPR, not convervative or rural. i can tell you that all my friends my age who are actually from genuine down-home heartland rural MN can't stand it.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

(my age = no-nothing punk kid) (i think their parents probably have less disdain for it)

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Woody Harrelson/Lyle Lovett for me

i think my primary problem is just that that Jack Elam-looking motherfucker isn't funny.

I have a problem with the concept of "funny," or at least people who confuse "funny" with "humor."

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's very beloved in places like NYC (where they do huge sold out shows every year

huge? like at Madison Square Garden? yeah, they have some solid runs in NYC, the show's (and Keillor's) second home (and a massive metro area), but I don't see why this makes the show urban vs. rural (not that I have anything invested in its realness).

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Keillor was on Charlie Rose the other night and posited that the show's ironic-pessimistic undertone was something that appealed in common to upper midwesterners and New Yorkers

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Homer Simpson shaking set when Prairie special is on: "Come on, TV! Be funny!"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

keillor is an educated urbanite who writes about simple heartland country folk in a way that i find condescending. that's all. i should probably get back to work and stop arguing about A Prairie Home Companion on the internet.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think realness isn't a necessary factor. Keillor created his own kind of contemporary rural Minnesotan mythology.

I just got back from a labor day weekend that included worship at a 100-year-old white-washed Lutheran church, walleye dinner at my cousin's farm, lemonade and white cake at the legion with my father's cousin who fought in Okinowa (after a two-block parade of white-haired legionaires, the ladie's auxilery, the boyscouts and the junior band), pitching horse shoes with another cousin (who plays in the local tournement) and lots of conversations with aging Norwegian Lutherans, many of whom still speak a little of the mother tongue.

And, I have to tell you, while Keillor isn't a realist, his mythology definately comes from the well-springs of my origins.

I love that Wobegon shit.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Tom OTM. APHC became a part of the Minnesota heritage industry almost upon its inception and EVERYBODY knows that. So what? Garry Keillor has never REPRESENTED for anywhere other than Crocus Hill, really! Which is fine; you wouldn't kvell about urbanite Sinclair Lewis writing up rural Main Street because you'd then OBVIOUSLY know this is a big fucker of a trope in Midwest literature. Setting it in Keillor's manor might just be a stroke of genius as that's where he was when he started it in the first place.

― expat urban minnesotan, above average child (suzy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

My few encounters with APHC have left me stonefaced, but Keillor did a very funny version of Casey At the Bat (with Casey as an abused visiting player).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

i think it's funny that the two major movies filmed in St. Paul last year were "A Prairie Home Companion" and Charles Bukowski's "Factotum"

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

arguments like this are exactly why ILX is no fun anymore. I await the great purge wherein you are all fired for trolling the internets while you wrk

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Mike Nelson's Death Rat!, a very Minnesota novel, trashes Keillor in amusingly comprehensive fashion. I should dig up some quotes...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

keillor is an educated urbanite who writes about simple heartland country folk

so country and/or heartland folk are simple and uneducated? Anoka, MN where he was born was urban in the 50s and 60s? Yes, he now lives much of the time in NYC, at least when he isn't on the road. and he writes about small town life, not country folk.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

the official site

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

it's ridiculous the way TOMBOT acts all reactive as if everyone is shaping up for a fight then brings up the topic of racism himself (before anyone else has) in response to (I guess?) Pareene's perfectly reasonable objections. & to what end?

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

to the end that posters who bring up the straw man of imaginary fans of a work who spend all their time looking down their noses at minorities and/or country folk (cf thread after thread about nearly any film you'd care to name on this board), as encouraged by the "educated urbanites" producing said works, are driving me fucking insane.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

ROFFLE @ teh Lohan doing Frankie & Johnny on teh sndtrk

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

If you like Garrison Keillor, you'll LOVE Mark Russell. Now that guy is HIGH-larious. White people be funny! And that Car Talk, those guys are so wacky!! Can't wait for that movie, directed by Martin Scorsese.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Car Talk is great and you suck for not liking it.

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

pareene's argument as encapsulated by gabbneb's quotation above is essentially no different, to me, than the same accusations of bigotry that go flying about when people mention the portrayal of the latino family in Napoleon Dynamite, and the list goes on and on at this point.
There's no other word for it but fucking tiresome, especially since in pretty much every case the posters acting like some "educated urbanite" is shitting on the little oppressed guys of America are 1. educated urbanites themselves 2. spend most of their time on non-film threads shitting on the little oppressed guys of America for the way they vote/buy groceries/raise their kids.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

If you hate Car Talk you should change your username to "pompous"

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

i'll give you point number 1, but point 2 isn't true of me at all. also, your description of what i'm doing sounds a little like keillor's political columns.

i like car talk. it's funny.

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

yes, it's true, I hate fun and I suck, and NPR programming and its listeners are beyond reproach. Forgive me.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

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I can't tell if you meant that as a criticism or not

I was just kind of thinking aloud. I guess the lack of a narrative per se doesn't bother me, but rather -- speaking from the vantage of the closing credits -- the way they tied Death and The Axeman together at the end made it seem like that was somehow the "plot," and it wasn't very good.

Somehow it seemed obivous, even while the film was in production, that Lohan was key to the business aspect of the film. She did fine, though, except perhaps for her solo scene with Keillor, when I cringed a bit.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I should be sad that Altman "needs" Lohan to make a movie today, but I know he "needed" Neve to make The Company...

To say nothing of that 30-year-old's heart he also "needed."

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

There was a good movie buried in amongst the Keillor screentime, if you eliminate half the musical numbers. Death alone would have worked (esp. with the ending) but Axeman was completely irrelevant (what was the point of him listening and then getting killed?).

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

shows that some things are inevitable no matter who you call upon for help -- even death

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

milo: poll screwup and Spoiler King.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

The Death character was really, really poorly done, in my opinion. I'd rather she be left out; there was only one scene she was in that seemed at all interesting or even well thought out (the one with Keillor). It just didn't flow at all with the movie, and I guess if I had to choose which movie I preferred out of the multiple strands of movies, it wasn't the one with Virginia Madsen and Kevin Kline.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

The character of Death was almost as poorly executed as Guy Noir. The only thing fun about the movie were the musical numbers and the watching actors enjoy the banter and the rambling stories. Also, the shortcut joke was good.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh and the penguin joke killed me. Ha!

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Oh haha yeah that was pretty good actually. The whole bad jokes song was great, I'd probably watch a whole movie of the Woody Harrelson and John C. Reilly characters.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Morbius btw it's not really much of a spoiler. The film is pretty slight, first of all (that isn't meant as an insult), what there is of a plot per se has already been mostly spoiled by many reviews. And the Axeman character is actually pretty minor, only very briefly in the film. Though yeah still party foul posting it up like that.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Death improved when I imagined Keillor narrating the story as if written for radio. The scenes about actual death and the other character's reactions to death were fine, but much of what Keillor attempted didn't translate to the screen. It was much better when characters just told the stories, you know, like radio.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

And that's when Altman's style worked best, too.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I am decidedly not a Keillor fan. It was an agreeable, minor work, on the Cookie's Fortune scheme of things. Best bits: Woody and John C. Reilly's dirty jokes skit, Kevin Kline (whose character begins as an irritating conceit, until you're charmed by the polish of his performance) at the bar, Streep and Tomlin reminiscin' about their momma.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 23 June 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Fluffy Bear generally OTM. This was more than OK, with Streep/Tomlin and Harrelson/Reilly esp compensating for Kline and the heavyhanded Death stuff, but it's no Gingerbread Man.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I love this movie unreservedly.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

if you think Kline/Madsen were in the wrong movie, you missed the whole point

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

or you're Lindsay Lohan's age

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

I kept coming back to Xgau-on-Lucinda "Death is how she knows the world is sweet" (more contempo than "gather ye rosebuds") until the very end when I was reminded of Xgau-on Bruce "finally acknowledges that among other things, getting old is a good joke."

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

I needed my friend to point out that Altman didn't want to be put in a museum.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, Lohan was wonderful (maybe only 98% on-point but that's sorta the idea)*, Harrelson and Madsen perfectly-cast, Streep and Tomlin almost regal in bearing, and I actually liked-not-just-appreciated Reilly for once. all I could have asked for was 5 more minutes of Robin and Linda Williams.

*though serious props (ha) to whichever production person created her composition book margin notes

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I admit it helped to watch the Charlie Rose in which among other things Keillor talked about the disappearing rural radio stations you hear over the opening credits.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

shut up, gabbneb, I agree with Dr Morbius for the first time in the historyof the human race

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 22 July 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to thank Robert Alman for making Woody Harrelson sexy.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 22 July 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

since when is Dr Morbius right about movies?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb in 'Mainstream' Dem Loves Keillor SHOCKAH!

c'mon Tombot, we both loved Kung Fu Hustle!

Woody Harrelson has ALWAYS been hot, Alfred. (seen The Hi-Lo Country? THAT shoulda been the Gay Cowboy Movie.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 July 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

the down-low country!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 July 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

wait, that WAS brokeback mtn.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 July 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Eh. The closest thing he came to sparking me was in White Men Can't Jump, and Ron Shelton, a normally clever man, allowed him to hook up with Rosie Perez instead of Wesley Snipes.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 22 July 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

can we talk more about woody harleson being hot

― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 22 July 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Are you sure you're not talking about The Cowboy Way?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 July 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think what I like about the movie has as much to do with RA as it does with GK, DM

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Matthews?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 July 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Des Moines?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 July 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

dying men?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 July 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

dr. Morbius, will you watch Gabrielle again?

― youn (youn), Saturday, 22 July 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

oui

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Thinking Kline/Madsen was poorly done/acted/written is not the same thing as "missing the point."

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

I know Kline is pushing 60, but his pratfall over the bar was really clumsy. His perf was irritating in a similar way to his Falstaff I saw onstage a couple years ago: haughty, detached and self-congratulatory.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 July 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

The conceit was foolish, but even the pratfall was done with finesse.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 24 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

I wish GK had done the same thing at some point in the film.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

I keep thinking that Wim Wenders directed this movie.

This is a fun thread!

I grew up listening to Prarie Home Companion and I loved it. I didn't understand a lot of it, but I loved it anyway. Not understanding stuff was probably a big reason why I loved it, actually. So it was a little like Mad Magazine that way. So, really, being Lindsey Lohan's age would not be a hindrance to loving PHC, I don't think.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Actually I mainly liked it because they did fake advertisements, and so did Mad Magazine sometimes, and so did I, with my friends, with a tape recorder.

"The Deep Valley Bed - our center trough makes it easier to clean up the cracker crumbs"

Do they have the Powdermilk Biscuits theme song in the movie, or do they use "You see me comin, down the avenue" or whatever?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

They use the intro and a fair number of other elements from the show. Powdermik biscuits are mentioned but not sung about, some things are sacred.

When I say 21 year olds might not get it, I'm echoing movie themes about getting old and disappearing ways. That doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy it.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

I just figured you were holding true to the "It Wouldn't Be An ILX Film Thread Without SOMEONE Making A Horrifingly Condescending Remark" maxim, actually.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know whether it's condescending or not; it might be. But I do think that the movie is about old age and old traditions and seems to say via Lohan that your average young person is from a different world. It's not saying that young people are bad.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

new angle for y'all - on charlie rose, altman described it as a movie about death

Boy howdy isn't THAT true: it just keeps winding through every single thing here.

I was going to say more about that, but after skimming the thread I'm more amazed by this idea that APHC is in some way about the "unwashed masses" or somehow "condescending." For a second I thought maybe you just had to be part Midwestern to follow the tone (geez, NYC feels like more of an "unwashed mass" to me than what GK shoots for), but no, that's not necessary at all: surely MOST people have some experience of a quaint regional culture? To which most people react with the same kind of fond joshing and deep-down loyalty that goes into this stuff. And the same fond joshing and deep-down loyalty you direct toward the elderly and out-of-touch and funnily-behaved in your own clan, which is just one of about a hundred reasons the death stuff maps so neatly onto this.

― nabisco, Sunday, 1 July 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

i think the death element is fairly apparent, and incredibly moving.

boy if this movie ain't the best way to wake up in the morning :)

― you have to forgive me (surm), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:12 (fifteen years ago)

eight years pass...

There’s this grim serious stuff, encroaching death, and then Woody Harrelson and John C. Reilly come out and do their “Bad Jokes” song and that’s how it works.

― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 4 August 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)

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