"Man shot in anti-terrorism raid"

or the police fucked up.

One line of inquiry was that the gas was to be released in a busy and enclosed shopping centre, which mirrors the current plotline in the Sky hit drama 24 starring Kiefer Sutherland.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

Gotta get that plug in somewhere.

Anyone else get the impression that this has been another major fuckup? Have they actually found anything in that house? Or have they been PWND by whoever told them the "OMG there's a chemical jacket in that house, I'm 105% sure!" story?

The latest suggestion is that the police didn't shoot him, but one of the arrested men shot the other

But this story, as DA Jack McCoy later demonstrated at trial despite the stonewalling of the Chief of Police, was an elaborate coverup

Amerikkka's Most Wanted?

I thought this was Archel! Ho ho ho.

i just think it should be the police involved who should be giving a press conference, not these guys. make them explain themselves, if they actually can.

I just said that very same thing to the mister. Somehow, even though I am almost immune to the effects of swearing, on television and elsewhere, this made the story more shocking, seeing it broadcast, unedited, on the main BBC News.

and now more trivial not-particularly-helpful observation: the raided house in question has remarkably ornate and elaborate (but tacky) railings for a terraced house in outskirts of East London. v odd choice that.

-- Konal Doddz (stevem7...), June 13th, 2006.

i think they can't cos there's a report being done on it + u can't talk about intelligence and stuff?

it is a colossal fuck-up but i don't think it's right to claim that this will produce jihadists; in the same way i think the councillor itnerviewed on c4 news who said that the 7/7 bombings were the fault of the government for invading iraq was wrong.

mmm, they've got it all figured out.

Also can anyone here back me up on a style point? Among the devout of many cultures, the tacheless beard is a marker of pacifism. The brothers are devout Muslims who've called themselves pacifists, and a commentator remarked that it seemed a common style there.

Why do Amish men have beards, but not mustaches?

There are quite a few scriptures that mention beards in the Bible. An example would be Psalm 133:1,2. An Amishman does not shave his beard after he becomes married. A long beard is the mark of an adult Amishman. Mustaches, on the other hand, have a long history of being associated with the military, and therefore are forbidden among the Amish people.

http://cfpm.org/~majordom/memetics/2000/1207.html :

Alexander was the first to command that his soldiers shave their beards, since having a beard provided an enemy, in the type of close quarter fighting that was common with swords and hand weapons, a purchase, a handle, especially to raise the chin for the purpose of throat cutting. So, a soldier in Alexander's army was close-shaven.

And so, to me, the beard has always been the mark of the pacifist.

No direct apology to the brothers yet, though. This is insufferably

Security concerns after terror raid
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5072960.stm

Due to the secret nature of M*I*5 - we don't know if the home secretary & Tony Blair are asking tough questions of why there has been a failure of evaluating intelligence.

I also wonder if the intelligence analysts inside M*1*5 are ashamed of themelselves and if they are being disciplined.

i'm sure i heard on tv that uk are also supposed to have the best antiterrorist thingies because of all those years of IRA bombings and stuff. what happened to that?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1796925,00.html

i'll tell you one thing: if the police came barrelling into my house at dawn and shot me in the fucking chest, i might well want to become a terrorist after that. it's to kahar's incredible credit that he's saying he continues to support the police.

The people that deserve a critical bashing are the Intelligence community, however most of the mainstream media focus on just the "Operational end" i.e the Police.

yes, the "intelligence" bods are a joke. but, then again, it's not them running into houses, shouting "shut the fuck up" and allegedly firing without identification or warning. the problem here isn't one little part of the cop show; it's the whole sodding mess.

i see a muslim met chief super is saying that the force is "going through a very difficult time". jesus wept. what, it's a bit upset, and that's why it's going on rampages like this? it's fucking terrifying, it really is.

oh yeh: the same cop says we should wait for the inquiry before making any judgement. pardon me while i spend the rest of my life laughing hollowly.

Depends how long your beard is.

That sentence will probably be used against you in the fullness of time.

The Crown Prosecution Service has advised police not to bring child pornography charges against a man shot during a terror raid in Forest Gate.

Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, was shot in the shoulder by police at his east London home on 2 June.

He and his brother Abul Koyair, 20, were later released without charge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6092624.stm