Why are girls more often vegetarian than guys?

damn your well-thought out xpost

Absolutely OTM, in my experience.

Find a way to get race in there as well, and there will be 2000 new answers by morning.

And of those girl veggies, their partners are not.

Of the one male veggie, their partner (female) was.

(That's mathematically wrong, but hey. I don't know her anymore, and neither does he)

(obv Tuomas is utterly unlike my stereotype above before he feesl the need to tell us so)

In one such example, Susan Basow, PhD., associate professor of psychology at Lafayette University in Easton, Pa., set out to test the theory that women with big appetites are not attractive to their peers. With the help of student Diane Kobrynowicz, she conducted an experiment in which a student actress of average weight was videotaped ordering and eating meals that were rated by college students on a scale ranging from "very feminine" to "very masculine." The most feminine meal: a small tossed salad with diet Italian dressing and a glass of seltzer. The most masculine lunch: a large meatball sandwich, six mozzarella sticks, large fries, large soda and chocolate cake. Two other meals included a large Greek salad (still feminine) and a smaller meatball sub (still masculine).

Some 100 students viewed one of the four lunch scenes and used a "social appeal scale" to rate the likability of the woman in the scene. When she ate the small salad, she was rated as more feminine and having more appeal than when she ate the other meals. She was least appealing when she ate the big meatball sub. "There's evidence that women eat lightly when they are trying to impress people," says Basow. As for men, she says, "food just has a different meaning--for men it's just food."

While Basow's study is interesting--though perhaps not so surprising given the emphasis our society places on thinness as a virtue--what is even more intriguing is how the meals the student actress ate were chosen for the study. Basow had students rate foods on whether they considered them masculine or feminine. No meat product was deemed feminine. Indeed, the twisted way society suggests men and women eat--for men a lot and bloody, for women a little and light--offers more support (however superficial it may seem) for women to pursue vegetarianism.

Are there "feminine" and "masculine" foods?

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/statveg.html

Ew.

In my experience, maybe slightly more girls are vegetarians, but out of the hardcore militant vegans, all of them have been male.

on a related noted, I think we might have talked about this before, but what happens to the whole veget/vegan thing when we finally figure out how to spin protein strands well enough to manufacture meat w/o having to kill an animal?

there'll be the kickback from some folks(probably similar to the anti-frankenfood types), but what happens to the like-animals/health-reason justifications(assuming we can spin protein well enough to edit out all the seriously unhealthy shit)?

will it just result in more rationales be invented? how will this play into the cultural baggage?

Personally I know more females who identify as a "vegeterian" although my gut tells me that Ally is right. That said, I think "vegetarian" as by-product of "dieting," one way or another, is probably true.

Unfortunately, they'll never be able to figure this out without killing an animal.

Oh, typo btw..

VAGINA TREE

Science!

OK I'm sorry I said you sounded crazy, I'd probably be edgy too!!

she was probably really happy too!

That's totally valid. For some people that sticks, and they become vegetarians over the long term. Some come to it later, and for all sorts of different reasons. And if they say the reason is purely "ethical concerns," they're absolutely not fibbing; on the level of rationalizing it into an argument you can share with people, that often does tend to be the point. But there's almost always something else involved in the process of acting on those concerns, whether it's about how you see yourself or how you see your place w/r/t other people and society, or whatever else. I mean, it's not a single off/on ethical decision -- it's part of a whole worldview (and self-view), just like anything else, and that makes a huge difference.

Kind of boring to restate, I guess, but it'd be silly to pretend ethical vegetarianism was just a matter of one black-and-white moral decision, full-stop.

In my experience the obvious crusading vegetarian type is Morrissey, who probably fits and underscores Nabisco's drift on the fundamentalist male meat-hater (give or take a Linda McCartney) who sometimes seems to be speaking only to men. Whereas most women I know identifying as vegetarian sell it on to *other women* for the health benefits because these are also the people who talk about omega-3 oils and seeds. They tend to be a little bit more pragmatic on animal testing (cruelty-free consumers: good, some medical testing on animals: inevitable). LOTS of militant female vegetarians and vegans! IML during college too but they were all mostly also LUGs.

..yet vegetarians are stereotyped as being fundamentalists first just because "OMG I remember this one militant vegetarian when I was a freshman in college", and then people stick to these stereotypes for the rest of their lives -- which is, ironically, just as childish, if not more so, than people who remain Earth Crisis listenin' militant hardcore macrobiotic vegans their entire lives.

Smitty
01-20-2004, 12:17 PM
You know all those gangster rappers stick with the raw foods. lol
That's some straight hippie shit. Murderdog should kick themselves in the ass for that. That's two issues in a row with that gay shit in it.

GAME INSANE
01-20-2004, 12:19 PM
Thats hilarious...

ColdBlooded
01-20-2004, 12:57 PM
A number of rappers and music industry people are vegetarians and some or people down with them eat raw.

It's a health and culture thing. Many people with strict religous beliefs become vegetarians cuz it's easier not having to avoid certain meats. Some choose it as a health option. Look at all the unhealthy people in the industry and in your community. Some changes in diet could be helpful.

Not sayin that raw is the way to go cuz i for one damn sure ain't givin up eatting meat. But for some people it could be a good alternative to an unhealthy life style.

You should applaud Murder Dog for doin an article like this.

What's next people hating because they have articles on Dance Hall?

GAME INSANE
01-20-2004, 01:01 PM
Good point mane...

On a side note, that www.duckdown.com looks maja.

Gold Deez
01-20-2004, 01:03 PM
::golf clap::

NICKpro RM
01-20-2004, 02:08 PM
hell no, dancehall is MUSIC and murder dog is a MUSIC magazine.

See the point I'm trying to make?

ECOSE
01-20-2004, 02:10 PM
shit i bought that murder dog yesterday. and right now im eating a salad for lunch. but its got chicken. im gonna die. but i have been trying to avoid cooked food since yesterday. except for that whooper i had for dinner. hey its got a lotta letuce

Smitty
01-20-2004, 02:16 PM
Coldblooded, you didn't even read the article I guess. They make it sound like if you don't eat raw foods, then you're going to die. Man's been eating cooked food for thousands of years and we're still here. Raw food is just another fad diet that will go away when all the stupid Hollywood actors stop doing it.

ColdBlooded
01-20-2004, 02:23 PM
I read the fucking article. I'm still not eatting raw. But i also think it's a good thing for them to talk about.

Since some of the people that make the MUSIC, own the MUSIC, buy the MUSIC, listen to the MUSIC choose to eat only raw foods it's a viable thing to talk about in the mag. It's a life style/culture magazine. Music is part of that life style/culture, but so is food.

Look at all the health conditions that plague the people in hip hop and the people in our communities. Anything that could help people improve their health and live a better life applies and should be talked about by a hip hop mag, because it helps to keep their consumers alive.

Smitty
01-20-2004, 02:54 PM
Yeah they care about their readers' health. That's why they advertise Royal Blunts on the back page.

NICKpro RM
01-20-2004, 03:04 PM
Good point cold, but murder dog fails to mention ANY of that in those articles. Granted they're excerpts from that book, but at least print the excerpts and ALSO interview some rappers that have adopted this lifestyle, discuss some of the points you brought up, basically relate it to the culture the magazine covers.

A good example of this is an issue of the source a few years back where they had an article on being a vegetarian and rappers who are vegetarians. They did exactly what I said above.

sav-man
01-20-2004, 03:48 PM
Well, far be it from me to tell someone what they can and can't do with their personal life, but yeah, those articles make it sound like vegetarians have halos over their heads...If "cooked food is poison", then why are we all still here? And yeah, Nick, this has nothing to do with music. I don't know what MURDER DOG's problem is--nowadays, they treat Bay underground Rap in general like the mentally retarded nephew that the family locks in the attic and doesn't talk about w/ other family members...

I think vegetarianism is OK for people who really want to do it--if that's your thing, cool (although I'm a pretty big meat eater myself). But it's like religion: it shouldn't be argued or forced upon people. People like what they like, and what they don't like, they don't like...

PEACE!

ColdBlooded
01-20-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by smitdaddy
Yeah they care about their readers' health. That's why they advertise Royal Blunts on the back page.

Indeed they do; that is also a cultural/life style element, yet some people believe that smoking is a hazard to a person's health and there are warnings printed on tobaco products warning of said dangers. At the same time some people believe that eating meat or cooked food for that matter is a hazard to a person's health yet there aren't warnings printed on your meat packages, billboard adds that encourage you to avoid fast food, stay away from the chicken fried chicken, etc etc, to warn people of these hazards.

Originally posted by NICKpro RM
Good point cold, but murder dog fails to mention ANY of that in those articles. Granted they're excerpts from that book, but at least print the excerpts and ALSO interview some rappers that have adopted this lifestyle, discuss some of the points you brought up, basically relate it to the culture the magazine covers.

A good example of this is an issue of the source a few years back where they had an article on being a vegetarian and rappers who are vegetarians. They did exactly what I said above.

I agree totally.

To add on to what i said above, this would probably have been a better way to discuss the issues rather than printing excerpts directly from the book. An interview with the authors and a discussion of the book and the author's positions would have been a more effective way to present the information.

Reguardless of how they presented it, i still believe it's a relevant issue to discuss.

Maybe they should divote a section to health related issues that's done in a more journalistic fasion, rather than just re-printing a book.

A.GEEZY
01-20-2004, 04:14 PM
THIS SHIT HAS GONE TO FAR!!!!

LD-SKI
01-20-2004, 04:21 PM
At least they don't print stupid articles about the latest pagers, cell phones and about Jay-Z's Vodka brand (like other magazines - The Source e.t.c.).

I'm cool with those article. I think some people at Murder Dog are into Reggae and Rastafari.

45Yr Old Virgin
01-20-2004, 06:34 PM
fuck if i care, i just don't read the article. maybe someone else will benefit from it i dunno. i don't see anything wrong with it being there. maybe murder dog is trying be like XXL and source dealing with topics outside of music.

proppa
01-20-2004, 07:09 PM
not eatting meat is un healthy. you ever see some real ass vegitariens them people are sickly.

how bout an artical on a balenced diet.

fuck it im protesting, nothing but meat for the rest of my life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBkxI4rzYk&search=Burger%20King%20ad