This is the thread where we discuss the state of the "stoner comedy" genre

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having just watched "Grandma's Boy" and deciding that it was better than Method Man/Redman's "How High" but not nearly as funny as "Harold and Kumar". However, it did have the virtue of Linda Cardellini doing a stupid ass-dance (honestly I never thought she was sexy at all until I saw this movie), and I still think Sandler's sidekicks are in general funnier than he is, even if they can't really sustain an entire movie. Anyway, there was a lot of pot-smoking.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

that '70s show is dead. long live that '70s show.

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

We will never see The Big Lebowski's equal.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

U+K: a "stupid ass-dance" or a "stupid-ass dance"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

stupid ass-dance.

also TS: Zapped! vs. Half-Baked

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

what is the first stoner comedy? (Cheech n Chong's first probably...?)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Reefer Madness, duh/

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Seems possible that back in pre-Code days there could've been a scene or two with hilarious reefer antics. Never seen it myself, of course, but drunk humor was very big, natch.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

How High was disappointing indeed. Harold & Kumar is probably the best stoner movie of recent times, though Dude, Where's My Car comes pretty close, mostly because it's dumber (in a good way) and has a better plot. I'm not sure if Big Lebowski is really stoner movie, it feels more like a pastiche of one, just like every Coen film is.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't laugh once during Harold & Kumar and I was stoned at the time. :/

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

i have so much to say about this but i gotta work :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand how it can be a pastiche of a genre that is itself pastiche, but anyway it doesn't matter. It's funnier and stonier than all of these others, as far as I'm concerned, and I've watched it high plenty, and plenty high.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

it=The Big Lebowski

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

i loved loved LOVED harold and kumar (i'll acknowledge it's not perfect though and there were a few flat moments).

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

The 70's Show was great. I never thought of it as a stoner comedy, but I guess that's basically what it was.

― 31g (31g), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

i love love LOVED harold and kumar too

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

For the first season or maybe even two "That 70's Show" was a very decent stonecom. After they switched the emphasis to teen soap, I lost interest. Is it still on?

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

LET US ANTICIPATE BEER LEAGUE

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

The finally drug That 70s Show out back and shot it behind the shed a ccouple weeks back.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

It ended this year I think. Personally I only watched it in syndication anyway.

― 31g (31g), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

um xpost sorry

― 31g (31g), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

totally a mercy killing.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

grandma's boy hit very close to home for me ;_;

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

in general I liked it, but there were a fair amount of jokes that were delivered wrong and the pacing of the plot didn't make a lot of sense. The villain guy was pretty great - tho they overdid the robot moves/voice thing.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'll get in first mention of dazed and confused (which i saw the day it came out in the theater).

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

my dealer really lives in the valley and owns a monkey

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR ZAPPED!?! Scatman Crothers riding a bike with Einstein! Super powers from smoking weed! this movie has it all!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Harold and Kumar had great dialogue, but some of the scenes didn't build up to much, even though you'd expected them to (the cheetah, the freaky guy living in the woods). Dude, Where's My Car has a better plot, and I've never felt so embarassed laughing at a movie than I did with the last joke (involving the necklaces). But I did laugh, hysterically.

I do like Big Lebowski, and it's probably better than any other film mentioned here, but maybe it's also, you know, too smart for it's own good.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ah well. I look forward to That 70s Redhead with the That Terrific 70s Rack showing up elsewhere.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

dazed & confused--the first shot of the car, in slow-mo... the moment when "sweet emotion" kicks in on the soundtrack is the ultimate movie spark-up moment

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

> maybe it's also, you know, too smart for it's own good.

I disagree with the thesis that stoners are dummies by definition. But then, I would.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

but That 70s Redhead no longer a redhead! The dream is over. Laura Prepon = the poor man's Scarlett Johanssen. (ps I am poor)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

you know she's undergoing gender reassignment surgery, right?

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ah well. I look forward to That 70s Redhead with the That Terrific 70s Rack showing up elsewhere.

-- Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (austin.swinbur...), June 5th, 2006 7:37 PM. (Austin, Still) (later) (link)

She died her hair blonde...THAT'S how bad the show got. :c

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, I didn't mean stoners are dummies, I just meant that personally I enjoy these kind of comedies more if they're dumber. Though maybe that's just my problem with the Coens: they always seem to be above whatever genre their doing a pastiche of, and therefore their efforts never feel genuine and heartfelt. Though Big Lebowski is probably is the one film of theirs with the biggest heart.

(xxx-poxt)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Is Kevin Smith stoner comedy? If so, I hate it.

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

the show was terrible once the focus shifted to fez, who was always the worst character

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

many people i know spend inordinate amounts of time going to lebowski fest and talking about the big lebowski and reciting one-liners from the film and honestly i never want to see that fucking movie again, ever.

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't recall any pot smoking in Kevin Smith's movies (except for maybe Clerks...?)

I've never really thought of Big L as a stoner comedy...? It seems to have too many other things going on to qualify. I don't remember dope being a central focus of the movie at all, really.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

the first Friday movie is a pretty good stoner comedy. The rest of 'em suck tho.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

the show was terrible once the focus shifted to fez, who was always the worst character

b-b-but he popped mandy moore's cherry!

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

gross!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

i hate that guy

― gear (gear), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

kevin smith is poseur comedy

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

> Though maybe that's just my problem with the Coens: they always seem to be above whatever genre their doing a pastiche of, and therefore their efforts never feel genuine and heartfelt.

I've heard this complaint a billion times, but when I watch their movies I don't see it at all. Strokes and folks, what can you say?

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Is Laura Prepon the poor man's Alicia Witt or is it the other way around?

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

nikki cox is married to bobcar golthwait ;_;

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

i heard scar-jo is going to be starring in the jenna jameson biopic, so maybe scar-jo is the poor man's jenna?

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

you lie!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 June 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard this complaint a billion times, but when I watch their movies I don't see it at all. Strokes and folks, what can you say?

Well, as I said this is probably the least true with Lebowski. But have you seen, for example, Hudsucker Proxy? That might've been a great movie, but it's ruined by their postmodern detachment.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 June 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

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― gear (gear), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

like that!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

does wild in the streets count as a stoner movie? it has songs and shelley winters in a concentration camp!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Does "9 to 5" count?

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

the show was terrible once the focus shifted to fez, who was always the worst character

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), June 6th, 2006 9:43 AM. (later)

Can someone answer me this: How come that actor is always referred to as a 'Hollywood hunk'? He's the weird foreign guy from 'That 70's Show' for fucksake!

Also, not sure if it's a "stoner comedy" or not, but 'Eurotrip' is one of the worst films I've ever seen. I just had to say that.

― S- (sgh), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

How come that actor is always referred to as a 'Hollywood hunk'? He's the weird foreign guy from 'That 70's Show' for fucksake!

cuz he's banged all the young impressionable hollywood actresses.

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

sorry if "banged" is an indelicate way to put it.

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

indelicate but apropos from what I gather.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still curious how The Big L is getting tagget as not a stoner comedy. It is a comedy. The main character is constantly high, and surrounded by crazy wierdos. The movie focuses on his wacky (and barely sensical) misadventures. Much of the laffs come from his bizarre behavior and visions, attributible to his being fried all the damn time and consequent hassles with authority figures. QED.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

tagget=tagged. Not ragget.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Tuesday, 6 June 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'll tell you what is totally not a good movie to get high to is fucking Boogie Nights, the scene where Philip Seymour Hoffman cries in the driveway gets super intense

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

oh i dunno, it's kind of fuckin crazy to be high during the scene at the coke dealer's house with the kid throwing firecrackers and that superlong shot on marky mark's face...

i also didn't laugh very much at Harold & Kumar...

― Jimmy_tango (Jimmy_tango), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

why dont ppl like how high!?

also, half baked.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

there was the stoned age, which i never saw.

― cognitive discodance (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

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― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

do pauly shore flicks count?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

& did adult swim kill the genre?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

For some reason I never saw How High before last month and I'm sorry to say this but it was not good! Half Baked is far superior! ( As is Friday, Harold and Kumar and D & C.) Would the Broken Lizard movies fit into this genre? Super Troopers and Club Dread were both fucking funny stoned.

― scout (scout), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

you didn't miss much, jody.
was spicoli the first stoner surfer in a major film?
there are a couple funny parts in half baked but most of it left me with an icky feeling. the kind you get when you hang out with stupid slightly trashy/sketchy people who have posters of half-naked chicks and action/explosion movies adorning their place.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

was spicoli the first stoner surfer in a major film?

are there any stoner/wastoid characters that predate Bob Denver's Maynard G. Krebs?

http://edkrebs.com/linkspage/maynardg.jpg

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

I don't consider D&C a comedy. Dude, Where's My Car is more about ~~existentialism~~ gender politics than anything else.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Eurotrip but I don't think it falls into this category either.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Super Troopers movies are definitely stonecoms. The opening scene in Club Dread has doobage! And boobs!

Does anybody remember the name of that movie with Craig Ferguson where some old lady grew weed to pay for her house and stuff? It's British-ish.

Also, there's that show Weeds, which isn't so much stoner comedy as it is trying-really-hard "dark" comedy that occasionally has a funny joke or three, when it's not being racist.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I had gone to see Hostel under the impression that it was going to be a stoner comedy all the way through.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

In fact, both Super Troopers AND Club Dread feature doob-related hilarity in the first scene. DEFINITELY stonecoms.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

"the stoned age" is totally classic.

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh i dunno, it's kind of fuckin crazy to be high during the scene at the coke dealer's house with the kid throwing firecrackers and that superlong shot on marky mark's face...

OTM

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, there's that show Weeds, which isn't so much stoner comedy as it is trying-really-hard "dark" comedy that occasionally has a funny joke or three, when it's not being racist.

that show is the worst most condescending shit i have ever seen. every time someone tells me one of these hbo/showtime things is "good," it's always crap like this.

― sometimes it takes an earthquake to know where the fault lies (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Does anybody remember the name of that movie with Craig Ferguson where some old lady grew weed to pay for her house and stuff? It's British-ish.

Saving Grace, innit? Though it isn't really a stoner film, except maybe the finale.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

i was the one critic in the world who repped for that movie

You and Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

"Bongwater" is by far the strangest and silliest stoner movie I've ever seen. The scene where Jack Black, the recluse pot farmer, leads a group of kids on acid through the woods is classic.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.caaien.com/jackblack/bong6.gif
http://www.caaien.com/jackblack/bong1.gif
http://www.caaien.com/jackblack/bong3.gif

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I've never even heard of that!

― mummy wrapped in bacon adding that to the queue (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

wtf? I've never heard of that either! I'm no huge Jack Black fan but that looks like a good use of his talents...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

is that Brittany Murphy in the first pic?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

It is indeed.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

i was the one critic in the world who repped for that movie

You and Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review. ;-)

please tell me you're serious!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm invited for some reason to the opening gala for the new Tommy Chong documentary next week. Will the party be amusing or annoying, I wonder.

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

everyone wanted to get into the tommy chong party at the toronto film fest but then apparently it was LAME

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

mummy wrapped in bacon adding that to the queue

Already in my queue. Could we be fighting over the one copy of Bongwater on Netflix? I will move my request back.

This movie is completely incoherant, but in a good way. (If you like your comedies short on plot and long on OMGWTF)

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

bongwater was fun!

while jack black takes everyone on acid through the woods, luke wilson remains at the campsite and hallucinates playing "UP-WORDS" with his mom. grebt.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

that sounds kind of amazing

― sometimes it takes an earthquake to know where the fault lies (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

ARGH Bongwater. That Jack Black song/Wilson trip scene was funny but the rest was gratingly slow. Oh god. And so not funny. The biggest laugh that movie gave me is when it was over, my friend looked at the back of the case and said "only 90 minutes." It felt like 340.

The Stoned Age was funnier than Dazed & Confused, I though. It's also great to watch for the Blue Oyster Cult fans.

This is my favorite stoner comedy:
http://www.freaknet.org.uk/graphics01/g04/freaks/freaks04.gif

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha - I have that issue!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Someone should make a Freak Brothers movie!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

starring.... hmmm I can't remember which Freak Brother is which. What skinny scummy hollywood longhairs are there anymore anyway?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://goldst.com/peopleszoo/jeff_rosso.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

OMG YES

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Envy tried to be a stonecom? tried to be anything? and failed, that's clear.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Um, I'm sorry. I just watched Bong Water again, sober (OK a little drunk). The first time I saw this movie, we just came down from a really agressive trip and Bong Water just happened to be on cable, and maybe we smoked a little to take the edge off before we discovered the movie, and there was leftover lasagna. So maybe I remember it through a glass...wierdly, but if you cut it down to it's most solid 20 minutes and spliced in 10 minutes of expository footage, Bong Water would be one of the best stoner movies ever.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

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