reaching consensus on things

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can often be difficult. what are your persuasion techniques? do you often make compromises for the sake of reaching an agreement?

(stevem sucks lol)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you are in a work type situation why do you *have* to reach a consensus on things?

So much hot air gets blown around this place, with people arguing - not for the free exchange of ideas - but to try and beat others into submission. (With added pictures of kittens or whatever if they can't be bothered to actually engage in discourse.)

There are some situations where consensus will never be reached. Why not just accept that?

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

well sometimes even in life outside work things need to get done and it's not easy when everyone has differing ideas.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

persuasion technique #1: deleting the thread lolz

but if this doesn't work i'm pretty much spent.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

but then again when things need to get done it's a kind of "work situation". so really it is primarily that i'm thinking of.

otherwise yes there is no reason for all to agree! except anyone who doesn't agree with me is frankly lame.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Examples, please...

Heh, OK, immediately the funny little plans that comprise bands springs to mind.

I tend to be a bit bossy, heh. So I engineer myself into a place where I am, from a purely technical level, the person that makes the decisions. Or if not making the decision, the person "chairing" the decision process.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

xpost yes stevem i guess you demonstrated the persuasive strengths of being in a 'position of power' (in a lame way)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

but in work situations there is usually a manager who makes the final decision so that things get done regardless of consensus.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

there are sometimes a group of managers who have to make a collective decision.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

The way to get decisions made or consensus reached is to be the organised one. When presented with an organised option, or a disorganised mess which needs to be sorted out, most people are lazy enough to go with the easy option.

If someone else REALLY believes in their opposing view enough to go and organise a coherent plan, then I'll take them seriously. Otherwise, it's just talk.

Let them talk, let them express their opinion, but unless they're willing to plan, that's as far as their input goes.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

xpost yes stevem i guess you demonstrated the persuasive strengths of being in a 'position of power' (in a lame way)

i think there was a point a while back where it seemed as if consensus had been reached re lame copycat threads. specifically, that they were lame. but i know that people had trouble agreeing on which threads were lame copycats and which were not. titling them in less of a lame way seems to help, however.

but really i just did it to annoy you and because i am enrique's bitch.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

and when you ARE the manager - how would you make these decisions if you're hearing different, equally persuasive arguments? OR if there is an overwhelming majority supporting an idea that you oppose to?

are you DEMOCRATIC?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

and how did enrique persuade you to be his bitch?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really believe in democracy in small group situations. (OK, no quips about Nazi Germany, please.) I prefer the jury approach to things. Because if there's one holdout opinion, they might be perverse and stubborn, or they might be aware of something that the majority are not. And I want to be aware of that, to avoid groupthink.

I mean, if there's an overwhelming vote against me, then I will listen to the other options, but they've still got to persuade me.

Have you read "Blink" by er... Malcolm someone? Very interesting stuff about the decision making process in there.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

the being organised tip is a good one!! keep them coming!

presenting your case in an organised and easy to understand manner would certainly help i'd imagine.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Malcolm Gladwell. Duh.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316172324/103-1555719-7133439?v=glance&n=283155

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

and no i haven't read that! do you have a copy?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Being passive-aggressive is quite good. "Yes, we could definitely do it your way, but..." [look off into the distance looking whistful]

theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Also reccomended, The Wisdom Of Crowds, though that's a bit American and Ra! Ra! it's still got some very interesting stuff baout the dynamics of groups, and how the group is often more intelligent as a decision making process than any of the individuals. (And how to avoid Groupthink.) I'll lend you that one, too, as you may find it very useful.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

yes please!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

If the plastic bag is too big, then in this sweltering weather it can often be very difficult to reach couscous.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)


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