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1) a thread is started by geoff about thatcher having a stroke, urging her to die. he asks posters to name people they would like to die. posters do so. myself and a few other people are disturbed by this and post as such. thread fades away without incident.

2) a thread is started about suicide methods. there are a number of self-indulgent posts by people lovingly describing exactly how they'd off themselves. protests are just now starting to filter in. no telling how long before somehow who has lost a best friend or parent or anyone else to suicide will find it.

3) an old thread jokingly started by ally but apparently at geoff's suggestion about necrophilia is revived. several smart-ass comments are made. marcello and one other person then complain that it is offensive to the bereaved and nick quickly apologizes for even posting to it. promptly after that, dg insinuates that it might be deleted.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ethan, arent you usually asking for the DEATH of meta-threads?

― jess, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And what about your violent fantasy about the DEATH MURDER of MC Paul Barman?

― Momus, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my thoughts on this:

1) i thought this thread was really vile but understandable to a degree, we've all been angry at public figures before and especially politicians, who were those mostly called out. certainly not to be deleted, although i think this about every legitimate topic.

2) i thought this certainly held more immediate 'danger' than the die you fucking bitch thread, but it's just gothy show-off crap and shouldn't be taken as anything more.

3) it's inexplicable anyone is actually concerned about about this, half of it is about richey manic's eyebrows for fuck's sake. i'm sure everyone on this board has had someone they love die but thankfully most of them aren't whiny assholes about it every time the topic is even vaguely approached. as i've had to learn myself, kidding about death is how you learn to actually deal with it, if you think you deserve to be protected from every funeral knock-knock joke for the rest of your life you're going to be a child forever.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh well i should've expected this, should clarify that i merely wished for the vicious assault of mr. barman.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) doesn't really bother/interest me

2) made me feel uncomfortable

3) is a tough one. It depends whether you see IL* as a community or not. In a group of friends or family, obviously you won't go making flippant talk about death in the aftermath of someone's bereavement. Marcello is a regular on this board so I would instinctively err on the side of caution. But at any time, someone new, or someone who had kept their loss private might be on the board and I don't think you can always be walking on tiptoes about every possible offence that might be caused. Seeing as it's an open forum, it seems a bit wanky to give certain 'rights' to people depending on how long term/prominent a poster they are. I dunno. Like I say, I err on the side of pragmatic tact (except I fucked up).

― N., Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suppose I usually post to the "I wish someone was dead" threads with pretty much the same stuff as you have Ethan, and not worth deleting because interesting clarifications came out of it. The suicide thread I just was not interested in. The necrophilia thread, actually quite funny - and raised an interesting point re consent.

Don't delete any of 'em, but wonder why they come up all of a sudden.

― Pete, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

those keeping their loss private a continually overlooked (and underrated ha ha) ilx sub-group.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) pretty awful and ridiculous

2) i'm hoping it's just gothy show- off crap. it's something i like talking about hypothetically, knowing there's an out, but not knowing if i should actually worry about the people who are posting this or what they're thinking when they post is not fun.
3) missed this one. too busy watching movies with people being shot and beheaded.

― Maria, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am dealing with death and illness in my family right now and I feel personally insulted by posts which imply that there is a hierarchy of pain on this board or that suffering a loss gives one the right to sneer at and berate others.

― , Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) I don't see the problem with this thread.
2) Haven't really read it.
3) I only suggested I delete it cos there was a steady stream of protest without anyone rushing to defend it. I don't have any intention of dictating what does/doesn't go on the board, I'm just the janitor. If the board, or at least a significant number of people want something removed then it might as well go, unless an equal or greater number of people want something to stay. I just press the delete button, you people decide if and why it's pressed.

― DG, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i always thought the rule was that to get a post/thread deleted on ile it has to be either 1) meaningless text spam 2) gigantic or disgusting images (although this seems to go unpoliced) or 3) posted under someone else's name/email. it seems the key pont in the censorship debate (remember that?) was that other than those three the only way to get deleted is if the deletion is requested BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER. i know it's dg's board and he can change these rules if he wants but i'd like to know about it.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No shit, anonymous!

― N. Deed, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's not my board, I don't know how many times I've said that since last June, do pay attention please. I just press the buttons at people's request. I've come to the conclusion that I'm not gonna delete anything anymore, unless I get complaints about eg JPGs (filthy or otherwise) that crash browsers or something. Other than that, if you don't like something protest on the thread (even if this means a descent into FLAMEWAR) or don't look. Does that sound fair to everyone?
ps This basically means don't post stupid shit you'll regret later cos I won't remove it. You can't take things back in 'real life', can you?

― DG, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan one of those hand-me down VHS tapes wouldn't be "Demolition Man" would it? That's one of my favorite movies.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dg i think that's a great position. tracer um sadly no but perhaps you meant to post that on the terminator thread?

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) Didn't contribute, didn't care. Tasteless but whatever, I'm sure everyone here has thought they wanted someone, public figure or not, to fuck off and die already at one point in their lives.

2) I am well aware that quite a bit of that thread is probably "show offy goth crap" but quite a lot of it probably isn't, Ethan. I find it a bit disturbing that people protest it and talk about how horrible it is instead of trying to help. Or do we have to post our own threads writing up big suicide letters about everything that's gone wrong in the past 6 months or so to get sympathy? I'm not trying to be flip, but some of those people MIGHT have problems, and I think calling them show offs and protesting the discussion is a bit...off. The sort of behavior that usually happens right before a suicide by family and friends, then they're all so shocked when it happens.

3) I don't know why anyone thinks that thread is insulting, we were all just kidding around. I mean does anyone actually think necrophilia is a classic? Thugh I haven't read any of the recent posts, I'll go double check it.

The bottom line is I think all this tip toeing around Marcello is obnoxious. I'm sorry, Marcello, what happened to you is terrible, but for god's sake terrible things happen to everyone and if we all flew off the handle or got horribly offended or used our grief or pain as an excuse to flame people and go apeshit, it'd be a disasterous existance. I understand that you are hurt, depressed, upset, any other word you want to use, but like I said bad things happen to everyone. You are not unique in having grief, and neither is anyone else on this board, and I'm just getting tired of all the protesting whenever anyone says something about death or such.

The bottom line is, many people have been offended by threads or discussions on this board for one perfectly valid (and sometimes not valid but who cares?) reason or another, and with very few exceptions jack all has been done about that. Why start now? I think DG is right to decide against censorship - it's just too touchy a subject. If we start now, isn't it a bit offensive to anyone else who was hurt by something in a thread or discussion? Just don't read it. We've all been told that enough times when we've said that something is gross/offensive/depressing/whatever, so let's just try it instead of creating meta threads about it. Capice? Good.

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(ethan, 'murder death kill' was official police term for offing someone in demolition man. mellow greetings. end communication)

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wholeheartedly think this should morph into a Demolition Man thread, by the way. Tracer, what are you doing tonight or tomorrow? I'm going to be bored and by myself while Jerky McJerk is in Amherst, wanna catch a movie or hit a bar with me and catch up?

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is jerky mcjerk your codename for demolition man? (note: i have never seen the film)

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't ever watch it Ethan, I can't remember what age I was when I saw it, but it must have been one of my first hypercynical reactions to anything.

I should sue.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think we should start calling Ramon "The Demolition Man". He'd like it I bet.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think we should start calling ronan the demolition man.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

don't make me have to post on to the "schoolgirl with a skinned knee thread".

― Ronan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ronan you just weren't old enough to appreciate it yet! * cringes *

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No I saw it again recently. I reckon watching it has made me hate films. Seeing it and lots of other shit movies at 13 made me hate films like someone who's been abused might hate sex.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You can tell that the script started as a pretty smart pop-culture critique and was mushed into shape by Hollywood bland-meisters, so it sort of works as a critique of itself. Wait I forgot that I am almost alone in liking that kind of thing. Anyway, all kind of telling details creep in because of the script doctoring. It's like a machine that wears its parts on the outside. Need a device to get Sandra Bullock out of the way for the climactic final battle scene? No ya don't - just get Sly to whap her over the head "for her own good".

And its vision of political correctness gone totalitarian is so over the top that it exposes for us today how much dennis leary et al were just involved in so much paranoid macho posturing. And who brings right and left together in the end, to build a new society?? SLY STALLONE. Of course!

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

did paul ver-hoe-ven have anything to do with this?

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No but the movie's - and our - indecision about whether it's action or comedy is SO him.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And Ro how can you dislike a vision of the future where every restaurant is a Taco Bell?

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jerky McJerk is my code name for you, studmuffin.

I think you all should start calling me the Demolition Man, for the record. Not Ronan.

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When I read this thread's title I mistakenly assumed it would deal with that game "Murder Death Kill":

http://www.cdaccess.com/jpg/shared/front/large/mdk.jpg

― Kodanshi, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

his head is like a combination of a calligraphy pen and an anvil!

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fuck I love that game. I'm sure the sniper is a chick.

Talking about tiptoeing around death (and total faux pas): When I was about 17 my best friend's boyfriend died from his second ever asthma attack. About a week later she came in to see me at work and she was wearing all black (normal for me and the rest of our friends, but unusual for her). I said to her something like "Oh, all black, are you in mourning or something?" - completely forgetting that she in fact WAS in mourning. Anyway, it made her laugh after she reminded me that she was.

― toraneko, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I used to think of that main character as a girl. Until I found out its creator made it as a MAN called Kurt Hectic! How disappointed I felt. Especially as I kept perving on its arse while playing...

― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

Interesting.

― Abbott, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

the amazing thing about ethan is that he was only five when he wrote that shit

― J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― gabbneb, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

http://joshreads.com/images/07/10/i071010famcirc.jpg

― Abbott, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

http://joshreads.com/images/07/06/i070615famcirc.jpg

― Abbott, Friday, 26 October 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)