An Anatomy Of Desire

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I was slightly hesitant about starting this thread, but please just bear in mind - respond to the question/topic, not the poster, thanks.

I want to discuss reasons for having sex - especially reasons for sex that are not necessarily to do with physical desire/"feeling horny".

Is the urge to have sex always purely a physical/hormonal one? (I don't think so.)

Are other reasons to have sex any less valid or even morally suspect? Such as sex to reassure oneself of one's own physical attractiveness, sex to feel less alone, sex for power/control issues.

Both for sex within relationships (for example, one partner has sex to make the other happy, make up sex, etc.) or people who are not in relationships who crave sex - not necessarily just because they're horny? What do you think?

Kate Goes A Bit Emo (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

The sorbet shag - the one you have between meeting someone more permanent, just so's you can be disqualified for serial monogamy at the very least.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think ANY of the sex I had before the age of about 21 was because I was horny. I don't think I really understood my own sexuality except as it related to male desire. And me a lifelong feminist.

Anyway, no, rarely to do with power/control issues but yes, often to do with a need for reassurance of my attractiveness or a need for acceptance by a man or a group of men. It seems strange to me now that I thought I could gain equality or social/intellectual acceptance by shagging someone - it probably had the opposite result if anything.

That was mostly 'non-relationship' sex though.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think my main motivation for sex at the moment is boredom.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Horniness, above all else to me, is the desire to make someone else come, but there is also the legitimate desire for one's own sexual satisfaction. When I've gone too long without any sexual satisfaction, I tend to become embittered, and as much as it is about not being desired or loved enough, it's also biological or at least habitual.

I've certainly had sex with people more for their own desire than my own and that doesn't seem illegitimate. It's not as if the cycles of people's sexual desire always sync up exactly and I hate to think of a lover as undersexed. Plus, regardless of how I feel when I start, I always manage to have fun. I am a little wary of the power/control aspect as that tends to sour my rapport with lovers.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

This question comes from a couple of different angles.

One was the ongoing discussion about "noyfriending" -i.e. the semantic games that people play when they have all these terms for degrees of relationships. Which led me to ask, well, what was the point of Noyfriending? Was it purely a method of obtaining sex with varying degrees of strings or lack thereof? Or is it an attempt to divorce desire from emotion?

The other thing was a bit more personal. Talking with friends about the idea of "sexual droughts".

I mean, it's always been my way of thinking, that if you are purely physically horny and you are not in a relationship, that's what masturbation is for. But then again, sometimes it is more than that, the skin hunger, the desire to be held, as much as a genital urge.

But my personal experience is that about 3 months into a stretch of not having sex, and one starts to go a bit crazy. Is that purely hormonal? Or is that the creeping sense of "oh no, I'm never going to have sex/be desired again!" ?

So it's just a bit more complicated than simple physical need. (Then again, is sex an *actual* physical need, like food or shelter? Obviously it's not, though a lot of people seem to treat it as such.)

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Rosemary does not often find herself waiting for a bus, or watching Sven Goran-Eriksson's daily press conferences.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I can assure you, I will never ever watch a Sven Goran-Eriksson press conference.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

The idea of sex as cure for boredom is curious to me. I think perhaps it brings out the Puritan in me, maybe I do think there's something perhaps "morally wrong" about it.

But then again, I must admit that resorting to (my kind of) pr0n is a cure for boredom for me.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Great. Now I have an image of her jumping random men at bus stops.

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M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like fun!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway sex as cure for boredom in my case is "well, I don't have any plans this summer, might as well see if I can get the fireman to sleep with me."

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have sought sex when bored I think. But it was quite a deep existential sort of boredom...

The need for skin to skin contact is interesting, I know there's been a lot of research about the benefits to babies of immediate skin contact with their mother, but I wonder if anyone has looked into any emotional/physical need we have for it with other adults later in life?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but *why* would it be fun?

Is sex anything more than fun? Should it be?

x-posts now

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

The need for skin to skin contact is interesting, I know there's been a lot of research about the benefits to babies of immediate skin contact with their mother, but I wonder if anyone has looked into any emotional/physical need we have for it with other adults later in life?

This interests me a great deal.

Because, despite my inherent dislike of being touched, I do often find that I have overwhelming cravings to be touched or hugged. I always kind of wrote it off as this thing of "oh, it's attractive because it's my taboo" but then started reading more things about women who got proper massages because it seemed better for them for obtaining skin contact than having one night stands or whatever, when they realised that the physical contact was what they wanted, not actually the act of sex.

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

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I think it's ok sometimes if it's only fun. Not EVERY time for ever, maybe.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm conflicted over this. My bohemian side says that sex for fun is perfectly a-OK and it's Victorian and repressed to try and say that sex isn't fun, and it should all be funfunfun, yay!

But my experience is, that sex which is purely for fun becomes quite dull and unsatisfying quite quickly. Why is this? Am I actually a repressed Victorian prude who hates fun?

Sundogs at 22 Degrees (kate), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, I think you've set the question up wrong and, incidentally, also fallen prey to a slightly false view of Victorian sexual mores, imo. 'Sex for fun' is fun if it's a fleeting thing but I should imagine that we're not only programmed to want sex, but also to want intimacy and bonding too.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but at the same time?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

Seemed like the thread to revive. I just finished this review of Srinivasan's The Right to Sex, which has a really nice discussion of queer desires in the middle of it.

https://bostonreview.net/articles/me-too-deja-vu/

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 June 2022 20:44 (three years ago)

Then again, is sex an *actual* physical need, like food or shelter? Obviously it's not, though a lot of people seem to treat it as such.

No one is known to have ever died from a lack of sex, although right now I wish I would.

The notion that men need sexual release or they will break loose in some catastrophic way doesn't seem to have any basis in biology. But it has deep roots in culture, as a way to excuse men being "men," and lingering echoes in the legal system.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Monday, 13 June 2022 01:11 (three years ago)


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