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― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Sunday, 18 June 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

at last

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 18 June 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ian Wright - Hyena Man

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Sunday, 18 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Ian Wright pissing himself laughing at Gallas was so bad, he should be transferred over to ITV immediately.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41781000/jpg/_41781968_koyair_afp_story300.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

My post was lost in the poxy-fule-void. Something about how I hope Sven was watching that as it might help him to realise that trying to defend a 1-0 lead for virtually the entire match is just asking for trouble (though he's already ignored a mountain of first-hand evidence for this).

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

To paraphrase that legendary Barry Davies quote from the last World Cup... and France are on their way out because they will NOT LEARN!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I almost fell asleep in the 2nd half but those last 10 minutes were REALLY EXCITING. Barthez looks like a liability and the look of sheer fury on Gallas's face when the goal went in was hilarious.

Group G has gone mental. Togo are now potentially refusing to play their next two games due to that wages row. What happens then?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

booooo to wh3rd! i am not registered on it, so none of my bookmarks are there, and none of my followed links show up as such. Hooray for plucky p3r.net!

I want to rescue a magnificent word ailsa used in the first thread about this subject - she said that one of Brazil's goals was in fact not so great; he'd just "sclaffed" it in. Sclaffed!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

The American color commentator actually called Ronaldo 'a fat waste of space.' True, but I didn't expect him to say it.

― jergins (jergins), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

Group G has gone mental. Togo are now potentially refusing to play their next two games due to that wages row. What happens then?

The entire World Cup is void, and the winner of this year's tournament is decided by a high jump competition.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Crouch comes in useful at last!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Brilliant, Ailsa, just brilliant!

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm auditioning for a part as a commentator - ability to state the bleeding obvious and relate it to England in some way = prerequisite.

Unless you're talking about the use of sclaffed, which is a proper word!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 18 June 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

BBC commentators were odd tonight. I heard this gem: "Zidane is like a ripple on a river. With a ball at it's feet."

And Lawro questioning the Togoans ability to organise an FA by themselves - "The Togo FA should sort it out, if they even HAVE such a thing."

Great rusult for the Koreans tho. The French looked like a side without a goal for eight years, even when they'd broken the duck. Instead of getting to he edge of the box and shooting, they always seemed to want an extra touch or make an extra pass, and with defenders running around exhausting themselves like they have been this tournament, they just can't do that. France can't mess around in their final match - if there's gonna BE such a thing.

― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Proper or not, ailsa, it's tremendous. It sounds very Scottish.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

"to sclaff" = what Ronaldo would have done to that ball that came over his shoulder IF HE HAD ACTUALLY MADE CONTACT WITH IT.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

If it's a world cup year, then it must be time for me to say that France are as overrated as Roberto Carlos.

― Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Let's give some credit to South Korea. They brought this kind of intensity in 2002 as well.

― Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's a golfing thing. But works just as well with bad attempts at goal-scoring.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, France should have won that. I don't think many of the players, let alone the ref, really had time to catch that Roy Carrolesque scoop from behind the line. South Korea couldn't get into the game for 80mins and 2-0 would have killed them off totally.

South Korea have the best fans in the world, don't they? Those stands were rocking for most of the game. I'd like to watch one of the knockout games in Chinatown if anyone's up for it.

Also, Ian Wright thinks Saudi Arabia is in Africa. Ha.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

today's highlights:

1. ronaldinho trotting on the ball and fall over
2. itv commentator: "why does lee ho only has two names while everyone else has three". holy. shit. well done, ITV.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

3. the penalty save. what a save.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 18 June 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

4. Brett Emerton getting booked for telling the referee to "fuck off"

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Sunday, 18 June 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Did I hear right - did one commentator today say that Saudi Arabia were "no great shakes" [sheikhs!]?

The commentator's fawning over Brazil wasn't anywhere near as strong as Motty and Lawro's nauseating bum-sucking last week.

― David Orton (scarlet), Sunday, 18 June 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

I just turn the sound down. I miss the chants but I'm American so I don't understand them anyway.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 18 June 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

Saw France Korea in the Golden Lion with quite a few French who "boffed" a lot and did not get as upset as they should have been. The twol on our table were trying to explain where they are from "You know Asterix?" the blonde one said. "We are from there. And this is Oblisk" he said when his fat mate rocked up.

Korea Switzerland is a big Friday night game, Korean restaurants under Centre Point maybe a good place (I will be in Switzerland for it rooting for the Koreans). Togo will be playing the colonial hand after all.

― Pete (Pete), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

After clicking on the previous thread, something I read there made me turn on the second half of the Croatia-Japan match. That's 45 minutes of my life I'll never get back again. I'm not trusting anything Dom says ever again.

― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody know how close China came to making this final? Anyone care to conjecture on their chances of making the next final, or the one after?

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 19 June 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ronaldinho looks like Jar Jar Binks.

That is all.

― Phooodball (Dough Boy), Monday, 19 June 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

" PLUCKY REFEREE DARES TO BOOK RONALDO, MULTI-SKILLED GRAND MASTER OF FOOTBALLING EXECLLENCE.

-- Dom Passantino (juror...) (webmail), June 18th, 2006 12:31 PM. (Dom Passantino) (later) (link)"

i don't even know what this means but it is hilarious 2 me

― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Monday, 19 June 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

China lost their qualifying group on goal difference to Kuwait, who then went on to a second qualifying group where they came last.

― zappi (joni), Monday, 19 June 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

The Observer reported a nice bit of ITV pre-match analysis from the Spain v Ukraine game, in which Ruud Gullit suggested that some tension within the squad could be caused by the Basque and Catalan players not feeling loyal to Spain. Andy Townsend said this was "pathetic" and that "the coach should sort it out."

Rudd then gently explained that it was a little more complicated than that, but Andy was having none of it.

Also, Lawro last night saying how "naive" the Koreans were, and commenting that they obviously don't play much high-quality football there, right before the clock hit 70 minutes and our Asian friends (some of whom play in, er, the Premiership) started toying with France much as a kitten plays with a catnip-stuffed mouse.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 19 June 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41781000/jpg/_41781968_koyair_afp_story300.jpg

"That defender wants shooting"

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 19 June 2006 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

Ronaldinho looks like Jar Jar Binks.

That joke was so four years ago ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 19 June 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

No one else saw Lawro on CBeebies?

I have discovered that by pressing the red button I can watch an FA Cup-like loop of the higlights of the previous day's games before going to work. They are quite estensive highlights, and there is no "Wrighty" or any of the other Top Quality Pundits that generally pollute one's viewing pleasure.

Ruud Gullit, incidentally, is/was talking out of his arse, re Basques and Catalans. They are all mates, both on and off the field.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 June 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

Who knows why SK didn't really get going until the last 10-15 mins?

If Spain end up playing SK in the 2nd round that might one of the more intriging encounters after what happened four years ago.

― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 19 June 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

I realised, too late, that I could have pressed the red button at 8pm on the evening of the Argentian-S&M match and seen the whole thing, not just highlights! Pah.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

Lineker did explicitly state that you could do that too. Poor Mädchen.

Has anyone actually watched 'World Cuppa' on ITV4?? (the first question mark is actually part of ITV's branding).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

So, are Togo going to bother turning up today?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Come on, mighty mighty Switzerland! I've got a pound riding on you beauties.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

no, no one has watched world cuppa, even martin kelner who is PAID to watch sport stuff on telly can barely bring himself to mention it (after spending 8 paras saying how sh!te the ITV coverage is)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen that World Cuppa. It's very poor. Imagine Fantasy Football League's evil, rubbish twin brother.

― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine it is a poor man's Greavsie's Gaff.

Baddiel and Skinner have a podcast from The Times website. Cannae be arsed masel'.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

I watched about as much or World Cuppa as I could bear - which worked out at about two minutes.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, it's all sorted out.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

we were wondering last night what the result would be if togo hadn't turned up, we were assuming it would have been given as 3-0 to the swiss, which would have CHRONICALLY nobbled the french, which we thought would have been funny...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine it is a poor man's Greavsie's Gaff

The mind boggles at that thought.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

in the kingdom of the poor, the man who hasn't seen Greavsie's Gaff is king.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

which would have CHRONICALLY nobbled the french

But if France beat Togo (or they don't turn up) then with 5pts France go through anyway no matter what, no?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 19 June 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

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Nah, fuck 'em, Blokhin's a racist blokhhead (xpost) Mind you so's Aragones

― TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight, then. Switzerland-Korea or France-Togo?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

What does the question mean?

― the pinefox (the pinefox), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Which of these pairs of nations should merge, I presume. Or be linked by a big tunnel.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday's Daily Star headline deserves special kudos: "LET'S THUMP ECCY"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting with France-Togo, that's potentially the most dramatic. Joy of digital TV being I can flick between the two if one gets dull.

― Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Or as they would have said on the Glasgow club scene in the 90s:

"Let's Gub Some Eccies"

― TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

(i.e. which game to be watching - Switzerland and Korea's goal-scramble, or Togo's thrilling rearguard action?)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting with France-Togo, that's potentially the most dramatic. Joy of digital TV being I can flick between the two if one gets dull.

You mean....ESPN and ESPN2?

I'll be watching the Togo-France game, because (1) one the students in my program just got back from a 2 yr stint there in the peace corps and (2) striking a blow against former blah blah blah.

Though, I'm curious to see how S Korea makes out. I've got a soft spot for them.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Marcel Desailly has a lovely smile, doesn't he?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Who did Martin O'Neill just call the most overrated player on the planet?

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Eastoe. Bit harsh.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

The French have got the best national anthem, I'll give them that.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

One of the Korean subs was saluting during the anthems.

I had no idea Johann Vogel was captaining Switzerland. I mainly remember him for his appearances in international tournaments that basically involved him running about a lot and looking rather useful, but then kicking someone and getting booked, or sent off, occasionally.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Senderos scores! 1-0 Switzerland - Senderos bullet header from a free-kick, nuts Korean player on the way down and busts his forehead open. Blood runs down face as he celebrates. Marvellous.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Choi-Jin Chul, the Korean lad who got caught on the way down is being fitted with a hairnet/face-mask type thing to hold the wadding over his cut... looks a bit awkward.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Who did Martin O'Neill just call the most overrated player on the planet?

ibrahimovic?

The French have got the best national anthem, I'll give them that.

but, the russians have got Go West?

― duff (duff), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Switzerland-Korea is looking really evenly matched at present - main Swiss threat is Yakin's set-pieces, which are looking a bit deadly - then again, the Swiss defence is looking severely collywobbled - there was an amazing flurry of shots and corners from the Koreans towards the end of the half, and then Frei missed a clear free header right at the death. Looking really open, quite good fun at the moment.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

(have just switched over for summaries of France-Togo. Tonight, the part of Raymond Dommenech is being played by Paul O'Grady)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

ESPN's halftime reports are freakin useless - they haven't even shown the bloody forehead!! this is what i get for missing the first half... never again! (haha?)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

I had this problem the other day- you figure if you missed the first half and some goals were scored, you will get to see those goals during the halftime show- but if you are watching ESPN, you figured wrong.

― A Study In Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

ESPN is too concerned with the US loss + selling us addidaaaas and Taco Bell crunchwrap supremes/more meals than necessary to be bother showing highlights.

they'll show some at the end. and they're always the magic of bbc/fifa/cbbc website footage later. but I WANTED IT NOW.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

France breakthrough at last, from Viera. Ribery is terrible.

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

NEW REFFING CONTROVERSY - Swiss score a second despite the linesman flagging a fairly clear offside! Korea surround the ref, the linesman withdraws his decision, Advocaat is FURIOUS on the touchline... this group may well have been decided.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

WTF WTF WTF

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ribery could be scarred by his performance.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

sorry

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

commentator: "you gotta play to the whistle"
well, okay, but STILL
xpost to, uh, me

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

The referee is now handing out cards like it's Christmas, yellows for a whole bunch o' players. It's calmed down now - to be fair, the Korean finishing hasn't been great in any case, they've got no change out of the Swiss centre-backs this half.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, if it stays this way, Switzerland will be the only team to have gone through the group stages without conceding.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hop schwizz!!

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

And it stays that way - I feel for the Koreans, cos their work-rate was fantastic, but they just couldn't find a way through.

The Beeb has just pointed out that the second goal WASN'T offside - the swiss pass was a sideways one, but it hit a Korean defender to put the (admittedly offside) striker through, so it's not offside, which is why the ref over-ruled the linesman. Not that that'll be calming the Koreans any.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

FIFA has got a real problem with the officiating. It's just gotten ridiculous.

the swiss pass was a sideways one, but it hit a Korean defender to put the (admittedly offside) striker through, so it's not offside, which is why the ref over-ruled the linesman.

My understanding of the rule is that the defender must play the ball. The ball can't just hit the player.

― Super Cub (Debito), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's a tough one - the flag did go up and then down again, plus no whistle. damn, were the koreans PISSED OFF - i felt it from here - it made ME pissed off. they pressed on, which was good to see though. alas, no luck.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

mmmmm... crunchwrap supremes...

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the swiss in hannover today, and their shirts had slogans in french, german and italian. What do they sing in the ground?

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Romansch?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

So, assuming England can beat Ecuador and provided that Portugal defeat Holland, we could have round three of the Eriksson vs. Scolari big international rumbles on July 1st.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure the entire nation of Italy is laughing at the Koreans right now, though.

I have paid NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to the Swiss and suddenly it looks like they might conceivably make the quarters.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Sven vs Scolari, did anyone see Martin O'Neill get his rant underway yesterday? It was just after the Big Phil interview, and he practically accused the FA of installing McClaren as a puppet leader under which they could build their own entire coaching structure. Hansen and Lineker cut him off but still, very interesting.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

The winners of the swiss-ukraine play the winners of italy-aussies for a place in the semis. Moggi's work is done.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure the entire nation of Italy is laughing at the Koreans right now, though.

i recall a friend of mine almost getting beaten up, seriously, by italian fans in an italian cafe (in vancouver) last world cup. they didn't mind us cheering korea, but they did mind her rubbing it in their faces. she's good at the obnoxious stuff, that one.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

My understanding is that if the ball changes direction, as opposed to simply being deflected, then it counts as intervention. It's the same with own goals - a deflection is credited with an attacker, but a deflection that totally chnages thr trajectory is made an own-goal.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 23 June 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I doubt that the Portuguese will beat the Dutch.

I thought Ribery was alright, apart from the shooting bit. I think he may be the French Beardsley.

France/Spain should be... tasty.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 23 June 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

goodbye korea:( i will miss being the reds...

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

okay, so, elimination games: 15 minutes of sudden death and then a shootout?

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Extra time is two halves of fifteen minutes - I can't remember if it's 'Silver goal' (i.e. if a goal is scored then the other side have til the end of that half of extra time to equalise) or just standard extra time, whereby they just play both halves and if either side's in front at the end of that time, they win. If there's no result after extra time, though, then it's penalties.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking a new thread would be good, now that we're out of the groups -- list the next eight matches in the first post or something.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 June 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

and could somebody post the rankings of 17-32? i can't seem to find it.

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 24 June 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

and could somebody post the rankings of 17-32? i can't seem to find it

Eh? Do you mean rankings for the 16 teams that have been knocked out? It doesn't work like that - they don't get a ranking, they just fly home.

Anyhoo, new thread with fixture list for Ned:
World Cup Germany 2006 - Thread Drei

― Teh HoBBercraft (the pirate king), Saturday, 24 June 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

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