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In London. And I have an interview on Monday!

Now the praying begins.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yay! Hope it goes well

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

Phone interview or in person?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

In person. Have to book a flight. I will probably be around Monday night as a result.

Now my only other problem is, I am getting an operation on my sinuses in the next month to six weeks, if I do get the job I'm going to have to (a)not do my month's notice at my current job and sort of screw over my boss there who is sound or (b) tell the new job I've been fucked healthwise for the last year, though the op should sort all this out.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

You can see the FAP thought-bubble forming above Ed's head...

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

FLight? Where from?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

I live in Dublin!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

you never!

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, *another* FAP next week!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome. Good luck.

FWIW it's better to be honest in the interview with all this. If they like you enough they'll make allowances. Better that then for them to give you the job and for you then to go "I've been fucked healthwise for the past year and have to take time out to have an operation". They might not take too kindly to that.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's a little premature to worry about this but if they shortlist you for second int and the timespan is relevant, then tell them about it. How long is the decision process?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan, best of luck. Your boss will more than understand and you've given the impression that you do more than your fair share. He'll most probably be fine. The best you could do is maybe find a friend to fill in until he can get someone permanent.

Matt DC is wise. Also if you have any holiday plans let them know if they start talking seriously. You will be last on the list for the good days so you may as well have them cleared. Don't worry about the health thing, mention it but also make it clear that you didn't miss much work (even if you did :) ) and that the operation should resolve everything.

Is this in the same field you're currently in or something brand new?

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan,

Everyone's advice here is very sound. Be upfront and tell them. If they want you for the job they will work around it, as long as you are enthusiastic and obviously qualified. Better for them to get a really good employee who comes with some teething troubles than having to take second best.

There is a far greater chance of my meeting you if you go to live in London, you know.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Best luck - I´ll be also in a job interview at 9AM Monday, though mine is the third one! Hope this is the final one and all for good.

olenska (olenska), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

good luck, ronan!

ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck Olenska and Ronan!

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

(I recently applied for a better and more interesting job and I got it, so similar may happen for you)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Ronan, there is no reason to tell them about the impending op until a second interview or you start negotiations. You need tell them no more than you have to i.e. that you will need some time off *mentioning dates* to have an operation on your sinuses. They will completely understand but there is no cause to make a focus of that in your first interview. Additionally, they will expect most people to need some time off in the next few months - it's the start of summer after all!

I wish you the best luck in the world. Let me know how it goes.

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks everyone for the good wishes!

I don't think it's a two interview type job.

After the initial applications they mailed everyone and said they had been inundated with responses and to decide who to interview they asked 3 questions, basically getting your ideas and plans for if you got the job. I think there were about 20 people on that initial shortlist. So I reckon it'll be just one interview.

It's the same field as I'm in, records, basically, but on a far bigger scale, an online store based in Soho but selling all around the world, very trendy at the moment.

So I figure there won't be second interviews, I suspect anyway, so should I mention the op on Monday? Or wait until offered the job and then say this is something I had already cleared with my present employer, and have booked etc.

This is all a bit scary, and sudden, I hadn't planned for this at all but I definitely want the job and know it would be a really good career move. Just the thought of being gone from Dublin potentially in the next 5 or 6 weeks is a bit scary!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

So I figure there won't be second interviews, I suspect anyway, so should I mention the op on Monday?

This.

Or wait until offered the job and then say this is something I had already cleared with my present employer, and have booked etc.

Not this.

Also, see you Monday?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 22 June 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oooo is it P0st3v3rything.com? I like them and approve heartily so cos I know online strangers are totally your most important peer group :)

Andrew speaks truth, say it at i/v. It'll be fine, seriously. They probably won't bat an eyelid. Sure aren't the English constantly waiting for surgery and transplants and things! Best of luck, it makes it all the more exciting that it's happening so fast. Let us know how it goes!

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 22 June 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Ooooo knock us out a cheap w*re box set would you?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 22 June 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

It all looks terribly modern! Good luck!

I am perhaps alone in thinking that the operation is none of their sodding business.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 22 June 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

It is some of their sodding business if Ronan has to take time off work to have it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 June 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's sort of in a grey area between my month's notice at current job, were I to get the new one, and the start of the new one.

But I guess I don't want to get the new job and be Nando Morientes.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 June 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

This went pretty well. I got called for a second interview tomorrow, so I guess that's good. they've made it tomorrow cos i'll still be here. it was very positive, they may think i'm too young but all in all the guy kept saying he was impressed and stuff.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

London is eating all other ILX locales.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, someone get me a London job!

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

London is eating all other ILX locales.

Isn't it just that Dublin is sending in replacements for all the ones that came up to Glasgow?

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey, just seen this thread, good luck Ronan, it'd be great to have you over here again.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Great to hear Ronan! Hope to see you tonight to hear all.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

The second interview went very well, though was extremely informal, it was to meet another one of the management team, he basically chatted to me on the shop floor for about 10 minutes. It seemed kinda like he was just verifying the first guys opinion, and the first thing he said was "so I've seen your cv, it looks like you're well capable of running the show" and was just chatting from there plus him asking about me moving to London and if it was a problem.

So of course other people could blow them away yet, but as far as I can see it couldn't have gone much better.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Could you tell if there was another candidate still in competition? Otherwise that's BRILLIANT.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

hurrah!

ai lien (kold_krush), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

I can't tell, I think I am like middle of the interview process, though I'm only guessing that say, 6 or 7 people would be the amount they'd chat to.

It really felt today like the second guy had been told "I really like this guy, what do you think?" cos he was just like chatting informally and the only real question he asked was "what specific music are you into, I didn't get a feel for that on your cv", which was a pretty easy one to answer.

x-post, so hopefully I get it!

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

yay! except you should have moved down last summer.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Ronan. Great to hear. Sounds really good and positive. Sorry didn't see you last night, we all ran home around 8. Hope you didn't turn up to an empty pub.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck Ronan - sounds very encouraging!

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

i'm moving to dublin soon

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Woo-hoo!

Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ken C/Dirty Vicar synergy could destroy the planet.

I will commence to drop a knowledge bomb. (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ken C vs. the Dirty Vicar would be a great name for a single. Or a comic. See to it, someone.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

So, any news from Ronan?

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 29 June 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

No news yet.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 June 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Let us know tho.

I'm a consumer not a thinker Trish. Is this true though? Are you moving over Ken C?

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

not just yet - but i do have plans to move there one day (and to fake my funeral, but that's a different story)

ken c (ken c), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

the only real question he asked was "what specific music are you into, I didn't get a feel for that on your cv", which was a pretty easy one to answer.

heh, what was your actual answer?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

"I love MSTRKRFT. They are t3h shit!"

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

LOL JOEK!!

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

...house, electro-house, minimal house, techno and .. ryan adams ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

I saw this AM job at P****** advertised last month via email, and I thought at the time that Ronan would be a good match.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Does the genre animal house exist, and if not, what would it be?

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Friday, 30 June 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

maybe this is what MSTRCRFT is?

hope it turns out good ronang :)

(although, as an aside, if one is an online record store why the flip would one want a store in soho??? one could be based anywhere/nowhere)

i also would like to apply for a better more interesting job...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 30 June 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

i want a job that's harder faster stronger

ken c (ken c), Friday, 30 June 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Carsmile, cos as an online store you have the power to have an absolutely amazing flagship store. Crazy stock levels etc. At least that's what I reckon.

Really hoping hoping for this job, will find out sometime next week apparently.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 30 June 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

as an aside, if one is an online record store why the flip would one want a store in soho??? one could be based anywhere/nowhere

There are rock-solid demographic reasons why you'd want a store on one particular street in Soho. Probably facing one manky fruit and veg stall and underneath at least one manky brothel.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

(As opposed to all those really classy brothels on Berwick Street, obviously)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

(I'm sorry)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)


Good luck, David! Have fun with your (hopefully) next job!

ed slanders (edslanders), Saturday, 1 July 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

Best of luck Ronan - hope you're successful and that the VOIBE follows me to my own interview on Thursday.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 1 July 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

I applied for a better more interesting job. The postie arrived with a rejection letter half an hour ago. I was kinda resigned to this cos it had been two weeks since the applicatons had to be in.
It was a media relations assistant job for Glasgow Cultural Enterprise, who run the Royal Concert Hall, City Halls and Celtic Connections.
I didn't necessarily expect to get it, but I thought I was worth an interview.
The letter had the usual thing about an impressive application but there were other people better suited to it. Fair enough, but I'm getting to the point where I wonder how anyone is supposed to get a media job. I've got a journalism post-grad, good contacts, freelance and local paper experience, wide knowledge of music, initiative. Wouldn't say I'm the best writer ever, but then they're really just looking for clean copy.
Maybe they see me as being primarily intersted in journalism and not so serious about PR, but the main thing for me is to be working in the arts.
I shouldn't moan - I suppose many of you are in the same boat.
And at least it means I don't have to write press releases puffing up such nonsense as the Lord Of The Rings symphony and Eddi Reader murders Burns concerts.

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

are there any better more interesting jobs? after a while you know they'll all be shit

alicer (alicereed), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

but good luck r. londan. fuck.

alicer (alicereed), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

It's not on Berwick Street! Not quite!

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 1 July 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks again everyone by the way, still hanging on. Good luck Suzy too btw.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 1 July 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

are there any better more interesting jobs? after a while you know they'll all be shit

possibly but it's got to be better than my current one.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 1 July 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Has something gone particularly wrong in your current job, I thought you used to enjoy it? Or am I even thinking of the right one?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 2 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

The letter had the usual thing about an impressive application but there were other people better suited to it.

I told Stew this story in the pub last night, but I'll share it here too. Last week I got a similar letter from a large organisation to whom I had recently applied, thanking me for my time in attending the interview, I had done well but not well enough etc, and suggesting I could call them for feedback on the interview if I so required. So far so good, yes? One small problem. I didn't even ATTEND an interview with them. I cancelled the morning of the interview as I was offered another, better-paid, job. Anyone at all think the post had been filled already and the rejection letters were ready to go before the interviews had even been conducted?

I'm tempted to call them for feedback, for teh rofflez. Except that I may have dealings with them in my new job, and I don't want to upset them.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 2 July 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

The letter had the usual thing about an impressive application but there were other people better suited to it.

I spend my life rejecting people who apply for better more interesting jobs in the media, and although it reads like a platitude quite often it's true. The problem a lot of the time isn't the level of competition but the fact that the employer has a very specific idea of the sort of person they're looking for before they even advertise.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 2 July 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Or an internal candidate, and the rules of their institution mean they have to run a "show advert". This one is MASSIVE in the art world.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 2 July 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

x-post
RE: Specific sort of person. That's what the letter said, as well as the competition aspect. It's understandable, but how can they get an idea of what the person is like without an interview? I didn't expect to get the job but I thought I had enough relevent experience to get an interview. It was an entry level role, so maybe they're looking for someone fresh out of uni. Also, the bumf that came with the application talked about how the organisation has a low turnover for staff, so they're probably looking for people with a specific career plan.
One of my problems is that I tend to go for jobs that are roughly in the right area, eg listings, sub, pr, but they can tell it's not my dream career so I tend to be overlooked. And I can't really lie and say I've always wanted to be a sub, say, cos my cv suggests otherwise.
Oy vey!

Stew (stew s), Sunday, 2 July 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Or an internal candidate, and the rules of their institution mean they have to run a "show advert". This one is MASSIVE in the art world.

And in the rest of the world too. Less sexy when it's in training or the civil service or whatever, but yeah.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 2 July 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

the employer has a very specific idea of the sort of person they're looking for before they even advertise.

People should be more specific about the ads they run, in that case. I've just left a job and seen it advertised. The skills they ask for in the job ad bear little to no relation to the skills that are actually required to do the job well. Mind you, at least in that organisation, the hiring process was genuinely fair and transparent. You had to fill in an application form, no CVs allowed, and you weren't even supposed to put your full name on the form, just first initial, so the hiring panel wouldn't even know what gender you were until the interview stage.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 2 July 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sadly I didn't get this job, they said they were very impressed and I made a great impression but the standard of applicant was very high. They asked if I'd be interested in part-time work in a basic staff position but I'm not sure I can afford to live on what it'd pay, though I did ask for details.

I'm not too disappointed really, I really wanted it but I thought I'd be more down about not getting it. Maybe a day's work will sort that out!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

Unlucky Ronan - good to get both excellent feedback and a genuine offer though!

Earwig oh! (Mark C), Thursday, 6 July 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to hear that Ronan. Obviously you impressed them enough that they want to keep you on. If you took it it might lead to bigger and better things in the company and it might not, it'd be a start though. Eating is so overrated I find.

Give work hell. They don't need to know why, just do...

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

:(

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Just got back from my interview, which was OK apart from the familiar interviewer gambit of you're so creative and wouldn't you find it boring to settle down (there is all sorts of work and what I'm after is a freelance to perm position). The company in question seems to be full of that type, though.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

You had to fill in an application form, no CVs allowed, and you weren't even supposed to put your full name on the form, just first initial, so the hiring panel wouldn't even know what gender you were until the interview stage.

ha, that's NOTHING ;) at my current place of work they used to remove just the name/gender/date of birth bit, THEN they thought, "well if you can see someone's qualifications then you'll likely be able to work out how old they are" so for short-listing all you get is the candidate's statement of how they meet the selection criteria (ha, although when i moved jobs i did start my statement with "as student database administrator for the last three years" so it was pretty apparent it was ME)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

i don't deserve any kind of sympathy whatsoever, i felt i was in with a great chance for a really lovely job (met all the requirements, totally relevant experiences etc and that i rule), except i was stupid and got the closing date wrong and was too late to give in my application. :(

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Better luck next time, Ro.

http://wc2006.telegraph.co.uk/files/doc_img/large/uwcpen04.jpg

Mary (Mary), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)


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