When will the US media stop asking "Do they have connections to Al-Qaeda?"

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It seems that a mandatory line or question in any discussion of terrorism seems to be asking whether so-and-so was a member of Al-Qaeda, or whether something was part of an Al-Qaeda plot. Yet every discussion I've heard since about 2002 that has focused specifically on Al-Qaeda has seemed to conclude the following:
- The very nature of Al-Qaeda was a spiderweb of cells with as little connection as possible.
- To the extent that there was any true Al-Qaeda core or headquarters, it was effectively destroyed during the war in Afghanistan.

To a degree, I can understand the question: the media are simply asking the question that your average person -- who may not have a clear understanding of AQ's structure -- will want the answer to. If they don't ask, people may want to know why. Others (e.g. politicians) shouldn't have this kind of out. By continually referring to Al-Qaeda, they contribute to the perception that there is some kind of regimented terrorist organization planning attacks around the world. And consciously or not, this is a definite political (partisan, in some ways) stance that motivates toward certain policy choices. To me, the fact that the media is still speaking in this way only supports the administration's outlook.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

My point being, I guess, that the constant focus on Al-Qaeda leads a lot of people to believe that there is some defined group of people and plans that need to be tracked and stopped/captured. But there are thousands of people around the world -- including inside the US, and with US citizenship -- who may hate the US, its government, or its society. The knowledge and means to engage in terrorism is out there now. The Al-Qaeda bogeyman is just a handy tool to strengthen the USG's powers, and justification to fear and/or attack other countries.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Why can you not accept the fact that Osama Bin Laden is actually Ernst Stavros Blofeld, Al-Qaeda is S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and that George W. Bush is James Bond as played by John Wayne?

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

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Well, absolutely. But I can't see anybody in the US Gov or media saying "terrorism's this diverse problem that can't be solved militarily so maybe we need to look at its underlying causes and do something about them."

Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

The thing that gets me is that (again) every discussion about the nature of Al-Qaeda that I can remember -- including by FBI, CIA, USG types -- is totally upfront about the fact that there isn't this army of people out there. The only exception, really, relates to the Iraq insurgency. The political reasons there are pretty obvious, and fine, I can live with that. But the media is totally complicit in... whatever. (Just repeating myself.)

And I think that you do hear the media - some right-wing commentators excepted - talk about terrorism being a diverse problem. But they undercut that with this Al-Qaeda crap. The next step about "can't be solved militarily and underlying causes" would be great, but perhaps that's just as "partisan."

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Y'all are acting like global peace would be a good thing! Whole defense related industries and military structures would lose their funding and influence and would collapse! Millions of people would lose their jobs! Do you really want more unemployment?

Didn't think so. There HAVE to be large threats, enemies and conflicts.

StanM (StanM), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

It could be partisan, I guess, but I also think it's pragmatic. Common sense says that some causes can't just be bombed into submission, or that trying to crush them just creates new recruits.

Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Stan I kind of agree but I can't buy into the idea that this is somehow a set of deliberate decisions. I prefer the stupidity model of history to the conspiracy model.

Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Friday, 23 June 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

Stan, the problem is that this is so patently false. It's not a judgement call, like "Are the Soviet Union / China / North Korea hostile?" It's not like people can't be whipped into a fury against someone else - Iran, Muslim fundamentalists, or just "terrorists." And noodle, I don't disagree with you, I'd just like the media to be moderate or not stupid. I have to listen to my father talk about how "left wing" CNN is, and then I hear this kind of crap.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not saying everything is a conspiracy, just that certain forces are at work that benefit from there not being peace. Whether they break out the champagne everytime a new threat surfaces or not, whether they whisper "hey, that country could be developing a bomb too, you know!" into important ears or not I don't know, but I wouldn't be completely surprised.

StanM (StanM), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

The disheartening thing about the whole ordeal is that there genuinely are people who think that Al Qaeda is some secret global army and that catching/killing/whatever one cell/leader will actually make any kind of difference. I know these people exist because I know some of them. Whatever tactics you believe should be used to fight terrorism, I feel like it's irresponsible of the media to basically continue to perpetrate a lie. Why is promoting the false hope/false belief in military capability to combat terrorism by presenting Al Qaeda as a cohesive/organized group any better than claiming that cigarettes aren't really bad for you? Presenting the truth about the level of organization within Al Qaeda is not the same as saying "this is how we should fight terrorism," even if, IMO, it makes it perfectly clear the way we are fighting it is totally ineffective.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

aw whatsamatta, none of you like hilariously simplistic, inaccurate media narratives?

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

It's just the utter fiction of this one that gets me.

Plus, as a couple of the talking heads from McLaughlin Group finally noted on NPR today, it goes a long way toward masking the reality that there will be "home-grown" terror threats.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

... and once that happens, you've got all that Preachers of Hate/ Radical Clerics nonsense to look forward to

TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Radical Clerics

oh man, these guys were like the greatest skate punk band of 1988. Their split 7" with DRI was classic. My best friend kept getting in trouble for wearing their t-shirts allatime...

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

It's just the utter fiction of this one that gets me.

shit, man, since when have people been rational beings? it's like plenty of people have a desperate need to cling to their certain narratives, or else it's all over.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, it's one thing to disprove a continually trumpeted fiction being beat over and over and over again into your head, but its quite another when that same fiction is clung to thru emotional means. in other words, you can't rationally argue or disprove beliefs or judgements that aren't the result of rational decisions.

plenty of folks have no problem whatsoever denying the evidence of their senses, which the last 5+ years has borne out.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

So, what, you believe that the "emotion" is that people (in the US) are unwilling to believe that anyone out there can hate them except this notorious terrorist group "Al-Qaeda" and therefore refuse to let them die?

First of all, the US public has been bombarded with plenty of examples of how disliked they are, including the various articles about anti-Americanism published in regional US papers that we've seen here on ILE. True, that's not terrorism, but still.

Second, my original point was not about the unwashed masses, but about the media, most of whom should know better. (And we can skip over the media cynicism. Noted and agreed, but I just don't buy it in this case.) It's laziness.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

hell yeah i agree that its laziness. media laziness has had a hand in most of the problems we've had for a long time.

my response was more to your statemtn about the obvious fiction of it all. since when has fiction prevented anybody from believing anything? hell, we just had the story yesterday about all those folks quakin' in their boots that the UN was coming for their guns, fer chrissakes.

i was trying to make a point that there's something deeper going on here, and i think it has to do with human psychology(or at least, modern american psychology). that there are these deep narratives they just *know* to be true, that are so entrenched that even, say, the loss of a son can't shake them lose.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, if you believe in heart that yer kid sacrificed his life in a glorious, just effort to protect america or the british empire or whatever, and you have a deep emotional need to believe that, you ain't gunna be so open to the idea that his life was wasted by assholes in a idle power grab, despite any daily increasing mountain of evidence.

i'm thinking of this as something opposite of, say, Kipling's change of heart after losing his only son in WWI.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

so yeah, i guess we're talking about two things here; both the folks needing that fiction, and the lazy ass media who allow that fiction to take hold.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

And the people who work in the media might just as easily be folks clinging to fiction. It's not just laziness, any more than it's just political bias or a patronising belief that the audience needs to have its news simplified. It's all those things working together, plus the organisational pressure that's going to discourage an individual journalist from saying "hey, what if it's not all about Al Qaeda?" for fear of demotion or even losing a job. This isn't one group of people pulling the wool over the public's eyes, it's a "fiction" (and I'm not even sure what that means since it's probably the dominant belief) that huge numbers of people in every section of society are emotionally invested in.

Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

You're right. I just find it difficult to believe that so many people are vested specifically in "Al Qaeda," particularly when they can painlessly shift their attachment to "Muslim Fundamentalists" or whatever (particularly with the administration testing the waters for Iran). You can still feel that your son died fighting "terrorism" without feeling that his life was wasted, can't you?

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

oh totally. A few people commented that it was okay to say that there were "voting irregularities" in the U.S. in '00/'04, but to allege that there's something deeply fucked in the system itself is just out of line. Some commentator used the metaphor about how you're allowed to talk about how rocky the boattrip is, but any hint that the boat might be sinking or that the entire ocean is fucked, as it were, can only be rejected as far-out lunatic fringe.

it's like everyone does have that vested interest in maintaining that Everything's Just Fine, We're All Fine Here, How Are You? and will go out of their way to ignore any reality hinting otherwise(e.g. the NYT/WaPo burying the news in mid-2001 about the actual results of the statewide recount in Florida). Of course, reality will still seep thru, like with bloody, protracted occupations or completely losing an american city.

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kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm also thinking of somebody like Pat Tillman, in the contrast of how his death was originally portrayed, vs how it turned out to be covered up for months with the investigation still ongoing.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

and this also applies to shit like relentlessly holding that John McCain is a maverick, etc

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)


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