Sasha Frere-Jones' Radiohead review

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I found this website that accuses Sasha Frere-Jones of lying in his recent New Yorker concert review of Radiohead. Do you think this is true?

http://philosophypage.blogspot.com/2006/06/sasha-frere-jones.html

― B Mikes (B Mingus), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

You 'found' your own fucking website, did you?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

posted by B. Michael Payne : 9:31 AM

But you claim you found it! YOU LIAR!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

lock thread, it can't get any more perfect than this.

― aimee semple mcmansion (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

a-hahahaha! dude!

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, cut the dude some slack! Maybe he has some sort of massive head injury that causes him to have Memento-esque memory loss.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

never mind that he posted this on ILE

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Your Brazilname is "Paynão".

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

"i walk on rough ground"

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

i also thought sasha fj was a woman for the longest time. just like i thought sasha of sasha and digweed fame was a particularly poncey looking butch dyke.

― gear (gear), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

pictured right

nice one

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Pictured right!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

P.S. "give a chance" can mean giving a chance (or another chance) in terms of approval and/or liking, not just in terms of listening, plus -- just for the record, and so you'll know why people might rag on you as this thread proceeds -- there is something massively lame about trying to publicize yourself or trying to shout your voice into some larger debate by randomly picking one of the more important figures in said debate and searching out some really ludicrous thing on which to (ooh, burn) Call Him Out. I would say there's nothing lamer than that, but one thing lamer than that would be when you do the same thing except your ludicrous thing turns out to hinge on your possibly not understanding the use of a fairly common English expression. Also, he's pictured on the left. Without a hat on!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, also lamer: doing all of the above but then posting it to ILE!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

i also thought sasha fj was a woman for the longest time.

He isn't but Dominique Leone is

― TS: Alan Stivell - A l'Olympia vs. Magma - Live/Hhaï (Dada), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

that sfj's radiohead mix is in chronological order shows (signifies, if you will) that he has not given radiohead a chance. if you were making a mix of a band you actually knew and liked would you ever group the songs by albums?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Dear B. Michael Payne: "Lying"? I do not think it means what you think it means. Please go back to school.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

That is the fucking dumbest thing I've ever read, B Mikes.

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

More of the man's genius:

Geneaology

Wildeyed Welcome

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Please, no.

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I really think you should.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated. Whether this mix "kills" can be debated.

― Bea Arthur - Lost COmic GEnius ? (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Also, friend, he says it is only "recently" that he thought them as worthy of "a chance." Since his mixtape includes HTTT (2003), and radiohead have been huge since 1993, i don't really see the discrepancy (in other words, 2003 is recently). The idea that "SFJ is lying" smacks strongly of unwarranted polemics. But whatever.

He ends both articles by licking Radiohead's asshole.

that's a trick.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

He's fond of the phrase. Thus from "Genealogy":

Personally, I think the New York Times licks John Updikes asshole a little too much. But what do I know? I don't review books, I just read them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

That said, here is my favorite bit so far:

Now the epoché will be a sort of quasi-nihilistic project to be carried out, or at least reported on, in this space. I think Jeff Mangum's music is important. and I < 3 Huckabees, funny enough, put everything into perspective.

Ah, yes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, we were all young and spunky once.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yes yes, don't get me wrong. I'm sure I said worse. But one must learn.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

truly, the internet has revolutionized music criticism and the old guard is running scared

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

hi, i was looking for blogs about John Updikes asshole and found yours. great job! maybe you would like to check out my site sometimes at
http://www.anus.com/ have a great day!

p.s. i am also a war widow and i make candles.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

you're a brave woman : )

― gear (gear), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

this guy is getting the tynan delong treatment!

kudos!

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahahaha, I thought the SAME thing.

Oh BTW, he's learned his lesson -- and he's posted to ILM!

Sasha Frere-Jones / Radiohead (!?)

Enjoy!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30984420-2-200-0.gif

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

haha it's amazing how he managed not to read the entire Slate piece that preceded the mixtape where Sasha basically cut the band down for three days. oh wait, why am I bothering?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

― Offisa Pump (Rock Hardy), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's a great graphic. Thanks for the feedback (supra). This whole cheap, self-shilling marketing technique has some plusses and minuses to it, doesn't it.

― B Mikes (B Mingus), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Matos, stop acting like that email wasn't a manifesto! You and your ideas of "context" and "chronology," I swear.

― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

In this record review of Hail to the Thief, which was published on Chuck Klosterman's and my birthday

― M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Cheap, shrill self-marketing has a better chance of being effective when there's something worth marketing behind it, something rather grander than "I, most perceptive among music readers, have spotted a meaningless non-discrepancy in a years-old Slate dialogue."

Can we talk more about why you want to be important? Cuz here's the thing: even if you had some kind of hit snarky blog where you totally laid the smack down on SFJ and Christgau and Eddy and all sorts of stuff, you wouldn't get laid for it. You might get some feeling of accomplishment and importance for a little while, but then everyone would hate you and find discrepancies in your years-old posts, and you'd have really poor career prospects and no real money, and you might still be a bit of a sac de douche (you like French, I think), and it's like ... what's the point? You should learn an instrument and join a band, instead -- then people kind of expect you to be pretentious and shrill.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

Are you suggesting that this particular fact is in some way unimportant to the piece as a whole? If so, you are LYING.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

This website seems to suggest that the San Diego Padres are a baseball team worth talking about and I hear that the author is incredibly handsome.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

My man Chuck Klosterman

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also in a band context those sunglasses would be less of a problem.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

nitsuh is there some budding music critic big brothers and big sisters program i was unaware of?

― Bea Arthur - Lost COmic GEnius ? (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

That's what DeRo told me when he took me to the zoo.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/TheManthony/judgebone.jpg

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, moving your blog's sidebar to the other side of the page doesn't make "pictured right" any more correct.

xpost
Daaaamn, Nabisco! "Knives Out," to quote a really great song title by a really great band!

― Offisa Pump (Rock Hardy), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'd do the research next time to realize that a.) We're more negative than positive about shared-birthday boy Klosterman, and b.) We're more than versed with the sort of attitude you get when you spend your days writing blog entries "analyzing" music and film criticism, then set an entertaining standard:PFM is worth working over in critical and philosophical depth, while finding anything Kantian about X-Men 3 is apparently reaching.

We've already got ILM to be critical of critics, I don't need someone's musings spelled out elsewhere. Unless it's nabisco, I'd almost pay money for a blog of his insightful posts even if they'd all be the same length and equally succinct.

― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

you wouldn't get laid for it
NO YOU WOULD NOT. LADIES ARE YOU WITH ME?

Ladies?

...ladies?

Exactly.

― The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

OMG but you totally WILL get laid for those sort of antics in rock bands.

― you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping 117 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

all my playas in tha house that can buy the bar
and them ballin ass niggas wit the candy cars
if you a pimp and you know you don't luv dem hos
when you get on the flo' nigga throw dem bows
all my women in tha house if you chasin cash
and you got some big titties wit a matchin ass
wit your fly ass boots or ya open toes
when you get on tha flo' nigga throw dem bows

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 June 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm...

― Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Friday, 30 June 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

His post on the Summarize a Novel in 25 Words was funny. Man, it was great to revisit that thread, from the dawn of I Love Books. Remember how much press that thread got?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 1 July 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

funny = Babybuddha, er, cutting him off at the knees on the "Recognitions" thread.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Saturday, 1 July 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

shit. just read some other posts. what a piece of work.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Saturday, 1 July 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I can't believe people are still reading this thread.

― B Money (B Mingus), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

they aren't.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.halcyon.org/retard.gif

― Marmot 4-Tay: what those guyz make music 4. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha did this dude stick around then? can we actually chase ANYONE away?

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's like all the gimps and feebs we collect on our shoes just end up sticking around until suddenly the newest crop of gimps and feebs is in and suddenly they look like super-geniuses and we're all "nabsico otm"

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

z-snap otm

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Meaningfulness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

They're esepcially not reading it due to Muse's newest prooving Radiohead to be navel-noodling wusses..

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

TS: navel-noodling wusses vs. grandiose poodle-rockers

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

this thread revival is mind boggling.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

where u b, b money????

― gershy, Monday, 13 August 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

bullying etc.

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 13 August 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

In this record review of Hail to the Thief, which was published on Chuck Klosterman's and my birthday

― deej, Monday, 13 August 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I found this website
http://thennosound.blogspot.com/

― gershy, Monday, 13 August 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if I was drinking when I posted to this thread originally

― mh, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

this dude reminds me of B Mikes:
http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=egmofftop&message.id=1269177

― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

Revive!!

Holy shit, this thread is GOLD!!

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 14:25 (sixteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/FFBOARD7.jpg

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:31 (sixteen years ago)

The memories.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

so many awes slams from some of the nicest ilxors in here!

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:46 (sixteen years ago)

<3 b mikes

― rent, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:54 (sixteen years ago)

http://bmichael.me/

― velko, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 07:20 (sixteen years ago)

god this kinda straight up cruelty is hard to read.

but this:

WTF does "the Shaquille O'Neal of philosphy" mean? He forces his thoughts on others and can't follow simple logic that others routinely parse without problem?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, June 23, 2006 8:08 PM (3 years ago)

made me lol

― iatee, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 08:12 (sixteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/bmichael

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 08:14 (sixteen years ago)

nine months pass...

@sfj How is the show? 9:05 PM Jul 28th via Tweetie for Mac in reply to sfj

― buzza, Friday, 6 August 2010 05:05 (fifteen years ago)

IT NEVER ENDS.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 August 2010 05:12 (fifteen years ago)

blog is gone, squatted on by someone else who left on cryptic post, and the single insulting comment is from a chap named b. m1chael payne

― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 6 August 2010 05:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://technotip.org/wp-content/uploads/blogging/html/redirect.gif

― buzza, Friday, 6 August 2010 05:20 (fifteen years ago)

omg his fucking twitter

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 6 August 2010 05:33 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, hard to believe

― buzza, Friday, 6 August 2010 05:34 (fifteen years ago)

Wow. Ned, I hardly knew ye!

― VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 6 August 2010 06:20 (fifteen years ago)

p.s. i am also a war widow and i make candles.

― 8o---e*.\\\||///.*ə---o8 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:24 (fifteen years ago)

Bio: B. Michael is an all-purpose intellectual.

― Janet Privacy Control (corey), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:29 (fifteen years ago)

Man, the fact that this guy is pushing 30 makes me feel better about not having accomplished much at the age of 23.

― Janet Privacy Control (corey), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:30 (fifteen years ago)

sfj has it all-- website, tumbler, etc blah blah blah

― curmudgeon, Friday, 6 August 2010 16:04 (fifteen years ago)

Wow. Ned, I hardly knew ye!

It had to be done.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 August 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)

b. mikes is still around? Well, there goes my productivity for the day.

― turtles all the way down (mh), Friday, 6 August 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)

lol this jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/FFBOARD7.jpg

― goole, Friday, 6 August 2010 16:36 (fifteen years ago)

what's going on itt?

― markers, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

something terrifying and wonderful

― Mordy, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:52 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, probably should've actually read the thread from the beginning instead of just from the revive. just started reading the whole thing and it's total gold

― markers, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)

haha he buys his skillets pre-seasoned
― aimee semple mcmansion (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, June 23, 2006 4:34 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― mizzell, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:10 (fifteen years ago)

The latest Robyn album is my spirit animal.
3:00 PM Jun 19th via Echofon

― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 6 August 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)

RIP world

― markers, Friday, 6 August 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

b mikes

― buzza, Sunday, 4 November 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

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