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And all you sick fucks who think that necrophilia or suicide or wishing people dead is funny or cool, go and start your own sicko porn message board and don't spread your pollution on here.

We come here to be cheered up. We come here to forget, not to remember.

I'm sick to the back teeth of fuckwits on this board who know NOTHING about life and love and loss.

Oh what's the fucking use. Come back and talk to me again when you're 75 and you've actually lived a life and have something to say. Otherwise I'll just walk the other way, if that's OK with you.

And don't bother with the usual "well it's what people post, you don't have to read it, you know what it's about, blah blah ect" - that excuse doesn't work. If things keep on going the way they are now, then no one will go on these boards or read what's on them.

Mingus: "From now on I work only with ADULTS, regardless of age."

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Knowing nothing about life and love and loss strikes me as an excellent excuse for saying anything you want before these experiences do hit you. Let people be stupid, be 'sick', be whatever they want to be while they're still carefree enough to do it, eh? 'Cept for the necrophilia thread every single one of the 'sick' threads has led to some interesting chat as well as some stupid shit, and THAT is why people will keep on coming to these boards, I think.

― Tom, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm biting my tongue so badly right now. All I can say is fuck off and get some therapy already, marcello. If all anyone else in the world does is cause you to wallow in self-pity and rage like this, then maybe you need not be around things like this for a while.

― Ally, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

we bleed too, marcello.

― middle-class whiteboy, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://a7.cpimg.com/image/53/F2/7705427-9896-0190011F-.jpg

― Kodanshi, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

please don't assume to know what everyone's about too Marcello, that's just fucking patronising. That suicide thread is fucking near the knuckle for me but I read it and found some of the posts there genuinely helpful and even comforting.

― chris, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Come back and talk to me again when you're 75

Marcello, with all the kindness in my heart, one simple thought:

Are you 75?

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm sick to the back teeth of fuckwits on this board who know NOTHING about life and love and loss.

an interesting point, but how do you know who has suffered what. you thought jess was being a prick who knew nothing, yet that wasn't the case. do people have to post the details of their life before they are allowed to have opinions on something? i suppose i don't know anything either, nothing bad happened to me last year i guess. you reckon? what do you know?

and then, do you want people to treat you as normal, talk about things anyway? then you complain. you didn't like it when people offered condolences, you thought it patronising. now you don't like it when people just act normal. which way you want it?

and what the fuck is this xtstatic peace shit. people tolerated that, yeh, they treated you different, they made allowances. why do you dole that shit out? whats the point in that?

you act like a dickhead. maybe thats allowed because of life and shit. what about everyone else who acts like a dickhead. maybe they had shit happen but don't feel comfident enough to explain just yet why. you probably think i'm being a prick now, but maybe stuff happened to me last year.

so, which way you want it xstatic peace?

― gareth, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I ususally stay out of these because I come here to be silly, but I do have to say that I am in 100% agreement with Ally here. Marcello is in desperate need of counselling.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I comment saying that I haven't read the board since day before yesterday. however I can imagine that I'm part of what's being discussed here since i posted explicitly and honestly on the suicide thread.

What I love about ILx and what keeps me coming back is that anything goes. Most of the time you're going to find empathy and people to discuss whatever with. If you don't the deafening silence or reprimands will set you straight.

That said if there's anything here that truly offends, there's a simple solution. DON'T READ IT.

Every man leads a life of quiet desperation. I've learned to never judge or assume what other people have gone through. Beleive me, I've tasted plenty of life, good and bad, which is why I'm comfortable TALKING about all of its aspects.

― Samantha, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i am really upset that you think you have a monoploy in grief , this year i had my share and i was on the verge , David was safe , but my mother is still in danger , davids sister was supposed tyo be in the wtc on 9/11 and we didnt hear from here until 9/12,two fo my close freinds hung themselves w/i a week of each other , my grandmother died , do i need to go on because i can . This year esp. we all had tragedy , and i dont mean to belittle yours but you are ignoring ours .

― anthony, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The key question - what can an individual expect from the community of which they are part? And the answer surely is - it depends on what they put in. The problem is I think Marcello that you give every impression of not liking us - any of us, or ILE in general - very much. You treat most people here as your intellectual and emotional inferior, and maybe we are, but in that case why do you want to associate with us? Habit? Loneliness? If the former then take a holiday, if the latter then join the club - but in that case stop playing these emotional blackmail games, constantly sneering at ILE in comparison to 'real life', making other posters feel they have to spill their guts about their lives so they can, I don't know, 'compete' maybe.

The three times I've met you offline you've not seemed anything like this, you've seemed like the intelligent and good-hearted man you tell us you are, but online your apparent contempt for us is poisoning the boards more than any stupid threads. I wouldn't presume to offer any advice about your 'real life' Marcello because you're right, I don't have the experience and I count myself lucky for that. But I can offer advice about your online life, and that would be for goodness' sake take a break from ILE. It can't give you what you need anymore - maybe it never could - but that's no reason to despise it. It doesn't make sense to use it as an escape from real life and then complain when it's divorced from real life.

― Tom, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To second what others have said, albeit in a less diplomatic way...
Marcello, your vitriolic posts of late are the ugliest and most spineless form of emotional vampirism. It's shameful and wholly unjust. IL* as an 'entity' owes you NOTHING. The world owes you NOTHING. That does not mean that because the great indifference did you wrong, you get to rage, rage, rage against innocent bystanders. The worst abuser is someone who always plays the victim card, always manipulating others into compliance with his own reality. Your disrespect is as (ironically) inexcusable as that of a petulant child. If you don't have the nobility and self-possession to get yourself the help you so cleary need, then please, just leave IL* out of it.

― you don't know me anyway, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can we not have anonymous posts on threads like these please?

― Tom, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't write that, Tom, but I've been thinking it ever since I saw Marcello's outburst. Diplomacy kept me from writing it several times but now I wish I had, as I completely agree with it. Marcello has used up all his leeway points with me.

These outbursts wouldn't bother me so much if Marcello would apologize for them afterwards, but I can't force my standards of behavior on other people.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry Tom. I just didn't feel like being called a cunt or told personally to fuck off and die. I really don't know Marcello personally, and he knows probably next to nothing about me. Yet I have repeatedly found the intimate details of his personal life thrust into the middle of discussions that I was otherwise intested in reading. I haven't done this to be cowardly, if that makes any difference. I simply wish it to stop.

My name is Kim. Some of you will know me from when I used to enjoy posting a lot more often.

― you don't know me anyway, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sorry.

― Kim, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kim! I wondered what had happened to you.

― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

were you carried away by a chupacabras Kim?

― chris, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cuidado - no hay que meterse el pollo con la chupacabra

la cabra, la cabra, la puta de la cabra, la madre que le pario, you tenia una cabra que se llama..asuncion?

― goeff, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So i was fucking this corpse, this girl had just committed suicide, and I was thinking "man, i wish my roommate would DIE.."

oh wait, wrong thread.

Mingus was also a bipolar lunatic.

― Gage-o, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is all very sad after the genuine concern shown for Marcello by many ILE people in the past, including those who've been on the receiving end of some pretty ugly treatment like Jess and DG.

Tom sums it up above - there's obviously nothing and no-one here who can help any longer. Please get help.

― Dr. C, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gage-o deserves the first nomination for funniest poster 2002. I bet you'll hardly sleep tonight with excitement.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am just going to post this since I am in not quite as horrific a mood as I was earlier when I was just like, "Oh fuck you already" - I emailed Marcello personally and explained that I felt he needed to seek counselling, like anyone else in a situation of this magnetitude. I don't get the impression you have a good support network, Marcello, and you need one. This isn't it and coming in and belittling people isn't the answer. I felt compelled earlier to post about my personal life and past because if I hadn't said it, I would've continued to have gotten abuse for simply saying that everyone has had their share of tragedy and grief and no one deserves to be called stupid or emotionless or carefree or somehow inferiorally depressed. I don't think that's right for anyone to feel that way.

Marcello, please seek help.

― Ally, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The way I feel about the threads Marcello describes is..."hmmm, I don't think I'll follow or contribute to this one", I don't want to see them deleted or questions like that not to be asked. I read the suicide thread, and I found it quite hard to read, not because I've lost anyone to suicide or contemplated it, but because people were really talking about their pain...it made me feel sad and all the advice I could have given had already been said.

Marcello, you ought to take a break. I'm sure you've got people to support you. We are not your punchbang.

― jel, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

--"Gage-o deserves the first nomination for funniest poster 2002. I bet you'll hardly sleep tonight with excitement. "

--At first I thought I was being complimented...then I realized I was being made fun of. Sad clown.

― Gage-o, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the title of this thread just makes me think of q-bert's scratch routine.

― ethan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and I first read 'excitement' as 'excrement' !

― the concept of taboo, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No it was a compliment. I meant that you probably didn't really care. Jesus I have to start being less vague.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, you know, I DO CARE...but it's a matter of perspective, you know? I've got totally fucked up shit going on in my life in regards to friends dying, family trauma, et al...but I think it is important to be able to deal with anything that comes you're way, and to objectify your experience through distance and empathy.

And plus, I live in NYC.

ha!

― Gage-o, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

gah no I meant you didnt care about being nominated for funniest poster. hehe, definitely have to be less vague.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe if I stopped fucking suicidal dead girls, I would understand you better.

― Gage-o, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hear ya.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lord knows there's enough political correctness and offense on the board these days. I would just politely ask that no one refer to 'bipolar' people as lunatics, okay? How's someone diagnosed with that supposed to feel when you imply that the rest of you think they're all lunatics? It doesn't mean that every thing we say is wrong or crazy.

― I.M. Crazee, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

suicidal dead girls? what, vampire goths?

― electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm glad that Marcello wrote that; I was struck by the poster who wrote on another thread that people're scared of not being considered sicko smartarses; I know by the way that my best friend's often treated that you're meddling with way more danger by being 'weak' than by being the sicko smartarse version of 'strong.' I like Marcello because it's refreshing to read the posts of someone who's obviously smart and doesn't lack a sense of irony, yet also exposes their own true emotions, not through stupidity or naievety, but by choice. It's a good balance for other clever posters who are more emotionally guarded.

― maryann, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Perhaps so, Maryann -- but if my emotions are more guarded in comparison, they are *not* guarding a lashing out over the content of the boards and what it is 'supposed' to be. I think that was really the key here.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually I wasn't thinking of you at all (Ned) when I wrote that people can be 'emotionally guarded' ... maybe no-one is. Marcello's language did tend towards the judgmental.

― maryann, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

By the way, master sleuths -- I am not any of the other anonymi posting elsewhere on ILE. Just that one above.

― Kim, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just for clarification - this board isn't 'about' anything nor ever was. I set it up cos ILM conversations seemed to be drifting away from music and since a good little community had popped up it seemed a good idea. But then it wasn't really my idea anyway, the idea of an auxiliary forum was knocking around for a few days beforehand (Tom set up a survey thing, remember?) and I thought rather than just sit on my arse and egg Tom on (not that this is to be taken as me pointing fingers or some shit like that) I thought I'd, y'know, do it myself. That's it.
I'm not responding to anything Marcello posts cos I don't want another fight with him.

― DG, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually I wasn't thinking of you at all (Ned)

No, fret not, I didn't see that as personal. Just noting what an alternate reading of the situation could be.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I enjoy pink fluff puffs every happy morning

― mike hanle y, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i bet hanle y has his own persoanl fluffer

― goeff, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A god AND a porn star

― electric sound of jim, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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