a thread for helping people use correct spellings

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i.e. not a "death to bad spellers" thread, but a rolling resource.

1) valrhona chocolate, not valhrona. the brand was founded by a pastry chef from the rhône valley (hence "val" and "rhona").

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

aka pedant's corner

teh_kit haev been evicted, oh noes! (g-kit), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

cadbury's

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

hershey's

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

ghirardelli

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

you're very clever.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

i know, giving a shit about anything is gay.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

Brand names require cpaital letters at the beginning.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago)

capital even

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have never heard of Valrhona chocolate. Is it nice?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

i knew someone would call me on that. i'm a good speller, but i like typing in lowercase. OH THE PARADOX.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

it is nice!

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

2.) andy warhol was shot by valerie solanas, not "solanos"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

where have you seen the other spelling?

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

most embarrassingly, on the sleeve of a manic street preachers album

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

you don't LOOSE, you LOSE. this is rampant and for some reason gets to me.

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

the adverb is "predominantly," not "predominately."

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

Things can be weird, not wierd.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

"a hundred" or "one hundred" or "100," but not "a 100" (unless you're talking about a $100 bill).

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

this is more punctuation than spelling but it drives me crazy when people punctuate the name of a decade like "the 60's" instead of "the '60s."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes the lack of apostrophe can make the pronunciation seem ambiguous -- the Go-Go's use the apostrophe so no one will pronounce it "the Go-Goss" (not that anyone would). print publications sometimes sidestep this by putting the singular in italics and sticking the "s" at the end.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto CD's
xpost

beanz (beanz), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

diahoera
diarheoa
diarrhoea
diarhoea

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 4 August 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

andy warhol was shot by valerie solanas, not "solanos"

The Guardian spelt it like that the other day in an article on the new Bettie Page film.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 4 August 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

it drives me crazy when people punctuate the name of a decade like "the 60's" instead of "the '60s."

Spectacularly OTM. We have many codenames for data packets in the elec industry (colour me boring) and it winds me up no end when they're written as D0151's or D0217's. Lose the apostrophe, bitch. Grrrrr.

My speeling as atrocious, although hanging around here makes me use the spell-checker more cos I know you lot will pick up on it, so it's improving.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Friday, 4 August 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

How many ss/s's/esses in Mississippi?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 4 August 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Mis'ssiss'ippii?

beanz (beanz), Friday, 4 August 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

"There's people who can't spell 'weird' right driving 'round with thousands in the bank"

HMHB, "Turned Up, Clocked On, Laid Off"

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

ILX taught me the most useful thing ever: that the colour fuchsia was so named because the plant fuchsia was discovered by a man named Fuchs.

I could never spell it before that! Thank you, ILX pedants.

I'm On The Radio So I Don't Care!!!1! (kate), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

note to writers writing about brands/people/proper nouns of any kind: FUCKING CHECK THE NAMES, YOU COMPLETE KNOB-WAXES. "john humphries" is not a BBC correspondent. "john humphrys" is. WHY SHOULD IT BE MY JOB TO CHECK THAT, NOT YOURS, YOU LAZY SPUNKERS?

i'm never sure if subbing has turned me into a misanthrope, or if i drifted into subbing because of my inherent misanthropy. either way: WORLD, GET ONE DICTIONARY.

threads like this are bad for my health :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

ILX taught me the most useful thing ever: that the colour fuchsia was so named because the plant fuchsia was discovered by a man named Fuchs.

i'm a visual thinker, and i always "see" words in my head either holistically or as a couple of distinct components. things like the "fuchsia" etymology are GREAT for helping me map a word.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Fuchsia: see also the naming pattern for every plant and disease ever.

I am a spelling Valkyrie, as Ed and Kate know only too well. In school my English teacher once slipped the class a difficult spelling test and thinking nothing of it besides 'ha, will be NAILING this' proceeded to completely nail it, only to have teacher dearest STARING at me as if one or the other was possessed because it was some Mensa test we were only supposed to semi-nail even if one was in a class full of gifted/talented nutters. I have a fairly photographic memory anyway so once I've seen a word, that's it.

Grimly, when I've subbed - because I always turn in letter-perfect copy myself - my main thought when hosing down sloppy prose is HOW ARE YOU IN GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, YOU STUPID, STUPID SHITBAG? Or its other variant, YOU MAKE MORE MONEY THAN ME. WHY? ASSHOLE!

Huguenot, like fugue is not.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

practice:advice :: practise:advise

...is useful to me.

Chandler: What if I never meet the one? Or what if I already met her but I dumped her because she pronounces it "supposably"?

JimD (JimD), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

HOW ARE YOU IN GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, YOU STUPID, STUPID SHITBAG?

This is exactly what I think whenever I make a mistake and the person who corrects it bangs on about it as if they were some kind of superior being.

I have just been disbelieved when I said that the The in The Hague needs a capital T.

HOW ARE YOU IN GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, YOU STUPID, STUPID SHITBAG?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

I have just been disbelieved when I said that the The in The Hague needs a capital T.

this is a style choice, but "the" is usually lowercase when such names appear in the middle of sentences.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

because I always turn in letter-perfect copy myself

heheheh. we, suzy, make the occasional mistake because we're too busy being perfect elsewhere. other people FUCK UP BECAUSE THEY'RE LAZY WANKERS.

:)

but yes, you're absolutely right. i mean, i'm not pleading poverty here - i think i'm overpaid for what i do, to be brutally honest, which means that when i do give it up (hopefully within the next few years) to do something more useful with my life, i'm in for a mammoth shock. but when i look at what some people are paid to churn out badly written, badly researched copy that often just manages to be WRONG on several million levels at once, it makes me vomit.

i mean. it's not difficult, is it? digging up stories is difficult. investigations are difficult. pursuing truth and justice is difficult. SPELLING PEOPLE'S NAMES PROPERLY isn't very difficult at all.

the bottom line is simple: if you can't get someone's (or something's) name right, how the buggering fuck do you expect me to trust that you've got anything ELSE right?

odds on grimly changing career before massive anger-induced heart attack: not good right now :)

x-post: yes, that's a style call, i'd say. and it's nothing to do with "superiority". it's to do with just GETTING THINGS RIGHT.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

and obviously everyone makes mistakes. even me. but there's a big difference between the odd slip-up and somebody churning out 1,000 words of jism in which they have checked not a single name or fact.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

I've just had to reject a "correction" that turned licensing into licencing. Who needs proofreaders when we have software, eh?

Poor spelling is not really the bane of my life though - terrible research is. G0rd0n Kay3? Make-up artist for one film in 1989, according to the URL helpfully attached by the proofer. Oh, that must be who they mean then, eh? Not the 'Allo 'Allo star after all.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a visual thinker

I have a fairly photographic memory anyway

jbr & suzy do you get that thing when you read something and an incorrectly spelled word sort of leaps off the page like it was printed in a subtly different colour or something?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely. This comes in mighty handy when removing the spelling mistakes from Momus press releases. It's like the thing in Coupland's jPod where the Podders can instantly spot the number that isn't pi in twenty pages of digits.

Unless the person is dyslexic or somewhere on that spectrum there is no excuse for the lack of observation that bad spelling signifies to me. My slip-ups are usually simple typos. There is also a special circle of moving-into-impoliteness hell for regular correspondents who spell my name incorrectly despite it being spelled completely differently in an email address.

BTW Peter I'd actually go for 'the Hague' because it's translated from 'den Haag' and Dutch conjunctions in names reallly shouldn't be upper-case AFAIK. Argh. Natalie or Maria to thread?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

you spellcheck momus's press releases?

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

There's no d in privilege.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely, not definately

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

this thread was partially inspired by a thread on another board. all but one of the posters on the thread were spelling a name correctly, but the other poster kept spelling the name incorrectly in every post he made, despite all signs pointing to him being wrong. i wondered whether he thought he was right and everyone else was illiterate, or whether he was just oblivious and not really reading.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost That kind of memory can be frustrating (not least for teammates) in quizzing situations though:

Me: Argh I've read about him once, what was he called, let me see...
Team: Was it an English-sounding name? French? Spanish?
Me: I don't know! But it's got seven letters, and the first one is pretty wide, so probably M or W! Etc.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

jbr & suzy do you get that thing when you read something and an incorrectly spelled word sort of leaps off the page like it was printed in a subtly different colour or something?

all the time. i hate that this happens; it's distracting.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Me: I don't know! But it's got seven letters, and the first one is pretty wide, so probably M or W! Etc.

omg this is me.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

color not colour

heavyweight grebt (sanskrit), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

moliere?

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

The Hague - I think you are just being contrary now. We looked it up in three different places after I was disbelieved.

Besides, how come this is a matter of choice when everything else is a matter of right or wrong?

I was just put Amsterdam instead and hope to get away with it.

I think I misunderstood a Suzy joke earlier on, which is why I got on my low horse.

Why don't you tell them to check stuff? Surely it's in their job description or contract or whatever. Besides, Alba can do it.

Perhaps they are totally demoralised.

Jon Tickle - no aitch.

One-nil.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

Actually now I wonder if it was "Misspelt" or "misspelled".

both are acceptable, but "-led" is the preferred spelling.

-- rudy huxtable can't fail

this sounds like something off of the dream game shut-in kid's website

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Separate, not seperate.

It's got a rat in it.

When I was a nipper, the way I got myself to remember this was that it had two 'a's and two 'e's. In the full blown Captain Kirk Explains It version I added "there is a balance of power between the vowels, separate but equal," but I quickly ditched this.

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Still, no one has explained me sentence/sentance.

I actually just looked it up, and ten minutes later, I'd forgotten which way around it was. :-(

I'm On The Radio So I Don't Care!!!1! (kate), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

sentence! from latin senten-somethingorother.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

it's all Es, I'm On The Radio So I Don't Care!!!1!

RJG (RJG), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought there was a noun/verb difference between license and licence, similar to that in "practice" and "practise".

Is there any difference between comlpete and compleat?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

So, it's like... "I sentence you to THREE EEEs!!!"

Sentance just looks... righter.

I'm On The Radio So I Don't Care!!!1! (kate), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

It's "sentence," Kate! *Sentance* can't dance!

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) Maybe it does if you've never seen the word "sentence" in print about a billion times.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think there is a licence/license distinction, it's just been eroded 'cause of the identical pronunciation, like practice/ise, and unlike advice/ise. "Licenced" and "licencing" look totally wrong to me.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

... and I'm a Brit.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I will say that this fucked things up for me for a while:

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/5e/7c/165867-resized200.JPG

Both "-ents" and "-ants" are acceptable, although the latter seems to be preferred -- but because of the band, I usually have to think about it for a second.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever I see espresso spelled with an 'X' a little part of me dies inside.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

(My point being that "-ents" looks more correct to me, since I have such a clear visualization of those album covers.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

For "practi[cs]e" I think,

US prefers "practice"
UK prefers "practise" for verb, "practice" for noun

OK, ledge is right
US prefers "license"
UK prefers "license" for verb, "licence" for noun

I could swear I saw both the preferred and unpreferred British spellings of "licen[sc]ed," just like I see all the signs saying "ca[p]pu[c]cino"

"Compleat" is a Creative Anachronism, and as such is suitable for Sci-fi/Fantasy titles and RPGs.

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Surely this a thread out there called "Who Is The Compleat ILX0r?"

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 4 August 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

proceeds from this thread should go to anthony.

Lmaoborghini (eman), Friday, 4 August 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I still remember it from the first Braiancs, Koogs.

The one where he walks on custard.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

rhythm
algorithm
shillelagh

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rhythm
Has
Your
Two
Hips
Moving!

theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

i know, giving a shit about anything is gay.

-- rudy huxtable can't fail (theundergroundhom...), August 4th, 2006.

If only I could find the characteristic or the blessed posts thread!

Today I looked up processible, which is spelled processable in the Oxford English Dictionary and processible in Webster's Unabridged.

youn (youn), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

m-w online likes "processable" with "processible" as a variant.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

When Kate asked about sentence/sentance this afternoon, I was AN EAGLE no A BUZZARD upon my keyboard to tell her why the former was of the obvious, erm except I failed, so I did not press Submit, or even write anything. Even though I fancy myself Etymology Man himself. Grb.

One could always try to employ the paddle of course. IT IS SENTENCE *whack*.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ow!

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Minuscule - think of minus, not mini
Supersede - a real oddity
Inoculate - looks wrong, but isn't

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Saturday, 5 August 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

incorrect spellings
http://www.smu.edu/smunews/education/images/margaret-spellings.jpg

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 5 August 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mascarpone is often mispronounced as if it were spelled "marscapone," and also often misspelled that way.

Oh jeezum. I've spelt it right but been saying it wrong all this time, and I've had two italian boyfriends! I feel like a dolt.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 5 August 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's fascist. Not facist. A facist is someone who has a prejudice against faces. I'm sure I saw this mistake in a fuckin' headline on the Guardian website last week.

JEEZ LOUISE

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Saturday, 5 August 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

this one just caught my eye: "one injury on premesis is too many."

i bet the poster TOTALLY knows how to spell "premise," too.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 6 August 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7259/1614/1600/DSC00017.0.jpg

Well done, Waterstones.

I also wrote an email of complaint to a women's clothing chain once, because they had spelled "sandal" as "sandle" on every one of their posters. It's one thing if you can't spell. It's another thing if you can't spell and you write for a living and you know you can't spell and you don't check things, and you don't run them past anyone in the office who can spell before you send them to the printers.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 6 August 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

waterstone's

; )

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'll smack you.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

I won't really.

What's even worse is that where I work, the spell checker is so inconsistent that it questions words even when they're correctly spelled. I had three attempts at "initiative" on Friday before I checked it with one of the other writers just to be sure. I felt like my brain was melting a bit.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

; (

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

Can we extend the thread to syntax as well as spelling?

When A is removed, and B is put in its place, then you substitute B for A, not vice versa. Mnemonic: in (eg) a football match, the substitute is the one that enters the pitch.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Sunday, 6 August 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

"Blonde" is for women, "blond" is for men.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

that's a good one. it's like the fiance/fiancee rule.

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

A facist is someone who has a prejudice against faces.

A facist would be supportive of faces, surely

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost re the fiance/fiancee thing: also né/née (although the first version is not so frequent)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, good! I don't know anything about French and I can never remember which blond is blonder. The matter is confused by that joke song about the prom queen who wants to be a veterinarian because she just loves children, in which she spells "blond/e" repeatedly but I could never tell whether it was a purposeful mistake and eventually it got all confused in my haid.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Massive xpost, but I had problems with "definitely" until I was told that it has the word "finite" in it, and now it's easy.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

née meaning né is here :( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5252696.stm

And independent! Ent! Ent! I don't think I have any helpful advice on how people should remember that though.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Think of Ents. They can walk about, independent of the ground.


Also, a man cannot be a masseuse.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

eventually

RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Ents, of course.

http://lauriesplanetofsound.tripod.com/adam-ant.jpg

beanz (beanz), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

née meaning né is here
Really? I couldn't find it, unless you mean the general idea.

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

They changed it to 'formerly'! Someone must have thought nobody knows what né means...

beanz (beanz), Monday, 7 August 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Another point re "né(e)" -- it means "born", so it should not be used about any former name the person has had, just the one they were born with.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

the adverb is "predominantly," not "predominately."
― rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, August 4, 2006 3:07 AM bookmarkflaglink

actually predominately is an acceptable alternative for "predominantly".

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-pre2.htm

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 June 2020 02:50 (five years ago)

see u in 13 years

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 June 2020 02:50 (five years ago)


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