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hullo ilxor it is i, leclair

i have a question for yr massed hivemind of experience and wisdom

i need to create more room in my flat and my current plan is to buy a LOFT BED: ie like a double-bed on stilts w.a ladder and steel legs and stuff -- then i can put my desk below and work at the window in the morning, and etc etc

the specific one i have my eye on is ikea's TRÖMSÖ as it is cheap -- but CHEAP (and indeed IKEA) may be a bad idea, if it all collapses in six momnths time and pitches me out of the window

so in yr experience:
are loft beds comfy?
are loft beds safe?
are loft beds sensible?

what are the drawbacks?


mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

I bet nothing you can buy will feel as secure as one you make yourself out of two-by-fours and thick plywood.
Any bed is only as comfortable as the mattress. Foam!
I would say drawbacks would be rolling out. You'd have to rig some sort of bumper.
Aw, now I want to go back to bed.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

(ps all is well with me -- my dad is settled with 24-hour care and seems to be flourishing; the aftermath of mum's death was very draining as you can imagine, and there is a lot of admin required, hence vanishment off here partly, but things are not so bad currently) (also events have stabilised at my work = the mag is not closing after all)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Are you a sprung bed base kinda guy, or not? In my flat my landlord built his own raise beds and put matresses on top. The only comfort issue seems to be the quality of the matress.

Safe - if built well of course. Sensible, wonderfully so. But how often do you fall out of bed/ get up in the middle of the night for water/wee wee? How is your half asleep brain at remembering?

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

they seem mostly to have built-in barriers to stop rolling out (i have actually NEVER EVER fallen out of bed)

one thing i have to check is if i bump my head when i sit up

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing about an IKEA bed is that you'll have to put it together yourself; if you're good at that type of thing, it shouldn't be an issue.

I've wanted a loft bed for years but my wife is terrified of falling out of one so NO LOFT BED FOR ME ;_;.

Also HI DERE MARK!

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

i am going to try foam -- i need to change mattresses asap anyway as a broken spring has just started jabbing me, and sleeping wiggly to avoid it has given me backache

my brane is never asleep ptee -- i am a tiger, napping w.one eye open

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

I got one of those loft beds with desk and futon beneath combo things for my eldest daughter. She did not like it because her head was too near the ceiling when sitting up in bed reading (she is not freakishly tall for a ten year old, I guess our house musst have quite low ceilings or something) and I did not like it from a purely practical aspect because it is a complete bugger to make the bed and change the sheets while hanging off a ladder. We got rid of it after about 6 months, and reverted back to having an ordinary proper height bed again.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

what is this "changing the sheets" of which you speak? [/erik satie]

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's a girl thing.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

You could sidestep the bedmaking problem by doing the French thing of dispensing with top sheet, blanket, etc—just pull a duvet over the fitted bottom sheet and call it a day.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

And pad the ceiling!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, i sleep in the french way

rrrobyn monsters with heat fever+stroke (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Loft beds are great! The most comfy bed I ever had in my life was a loft bed! (Ask Ed where he got it, I think it was an Ikea bed.) And they are great for creating work space underneath, it's like having a little cave of creativity down there.

However, mine had a good sturdy barrier to stop me rolling off. It was a bit scary going up/coming down when drunked, and midnight loo trips could be a bit awkward, but still, it was worth it.

(Glad to hear things are looking up for you, as well.)

In Search Of The Infinite Freckle (kate), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

i could cut a hole in the ceiling and step straight out onto the (flat) roof for midnight picnics!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

i worry about them collapsing, adn then falling 10 feet onto the ground, breaking things, including myself.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

You'd still got to put the fitted bottom sheet onto the mattress while balancing halfway upo the ladder, though. And if it's a dbl size bed it's difficult to reach to each corner of the mattress to tuck the sheet under, and you can't do it very successfully while crawling about on the bed either. I speak as one who knows.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Some loft beds come with a SLIDE to get back down to earth on. I do quite like that idea, I must say.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

you should get one of those fold down from the wall beds!

when drunk i am like a monkey

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

the space underneath loft beds is often more cramped and not-nice than one imagines, i.e. your "desk at the window" will also have a hulking construction of beams just above and around it (i.e. catnip for your inner bat! err... batnip!)

xpost MARK!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

I am smiling at the notion of a drunken monkey Mark.

I am not convinced that a loft bed is the way forward. Is there no other way you can create more space in yr flat?? Throw out superfluous rubbish?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

i will take the "making the bed" issues on advisement -- i do use a duvet so that's one less irritation -- also i have a handy set of library steps, so i needn't be on the ladder

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

haha what is this "superfluous" rubbish of which you speak?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

i could cut a hole in the ceiling and step straight out onto the (flat) roof for midnight picnics!

Sleeping near a ceiling = too warm during hot summer nights
Sleeping that close to a flat roof = grilled to death!

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, @co.uk . Nevermind.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Wot about when you entertain young ladies? Will they want to be shinning up ladders as some sort of foreplay? Will a loft bed cope with more than 30 seconds of bouncing before they collapse?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

(jeez! I meant it never gets that hot in the UK anyway - it kinda almost looked like I didn't mind Britishes being grilled there...)

(xpost to myself)

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

what will you do with all the stuff that's under your current bed?

this was the question that prevented me getting a loft bed when i was thinking about it a few years ago. you'd need a platform a foot or so off the floor to put all that under and put your desk/chair/etc on top of, but then the space for working in would be extremely squished, unless you have higher than average ceilings.

should you decide to skip the ikea route for fear of everything collapsing around your ears, i know a good carpenter if you want one.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

under bed currently = kitten golems and lost pencils

overheating -- in high-summer emergencies i can always move the mattress onto the floor

entertainment -- maybe mattress-on-floor is a solution here also, except when i've encountered an amazon pirate and/or other monkey

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

I had a tall, tall loft for two years of college, like so tall that I could only barely read in bed. It was plenty sturdy, but there was a trick to getting in and out. I didn't drink then, though, so I can't vouch for those midnight escapades, err, disasters. I think it would suck to be sick or otherwise incapacitated, though, and want your bed and not be able to get in/out easily enough. But of course your loft may well be more accessible.

We never really made the beds, just popped on the fitted sheet and rearranged the rest of the covers. I also never threatened to roll out of bed even though they were only singles and we didn't have any rails on. Do adults actually fall out of bed?? Maybe if you're a very restless sleeper, I guess.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

note so self: DON'T MENTION KITTEN GOLEMS or ilx goes down all afternoon

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've always wanted to hang a bed from the ceiling on chains. Sort of a loft bed without all the extra floor-level stuff.

the doaple gonger (nickalicious), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Back in the day, my old man read about the loft bed/desk combo in Popular Mechanics and built one for me. I was always pretty cozy up there, the only hazard maybe was the too-hot lightbulb in the reading lamp that threatened to burn fingers and short circuits (didn't you once start a thread about that phenomenon too, mark?)

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

not quite ken: it was bulbs which melted their own inner glue so the glass bit just FELL OUT of the metal bit! i had a whole batch, and they destroyed ALL MY DESK LAMPS

(i won't search for it seein as the server is fragile today)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.puritanfurniture.com/Gallery/Puritan_Juvenile_Gallery/Loft_Beds/BB-W-Loft-Bed-Cottage_51F4T.jpg

Paul Kelly (kelly), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

"a bed from the ceiling on chains"?!
haha SO GOTH
better: with ropes and pulleys, adjustable, practical, sporty, 80s lofty even.

rrrobyn monsters with heat fever+stroke (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

You could get the bed built on top of a shelving/drawer unit, like a very fancy divan, but taller. Then you would be sleeping up high, but not up really high, and you'd have a load of your stuff out of the way under the bed.
Really, this is one of those issues you should discuss with a carpenter/joiner. I live with one of those guys, and they just adore talking about places to hide shelves.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

no i am determined to work underneath it, with a nice morning view out over clapton police station

i was trying to work out -- using a stick -- if i would be able to sit upright or not: it is a matter of millimeters

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

I put my IKEA bed together (the DALSELV!!), and if I can do that...well, anyone can...

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

i was trying to work out -- using a stick -- if i would be able to sit upright or not: it is a matter of millimeters

You'll need a "no girls with big hair beyond this point" sign, then.

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

"none but the bald"

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
ok it is purchased and assembled and installed and slept in x3

(all 3 = me so calm down boy)

i can sit upright easily
i am right next to an open window so heat is not a problem
i am a bit paranoid about noise -- it squeaks when you clamber in and out (though not once yr in); does this mean my downstairs neighbour is bein driven frantic? (or is the noise just tiny but magnified in the still of the night)
it sways a little when you roll over, which is soothing
non-sleep activity will have to be tested at a later date :\

worst aspect = wakin a VAST ARMY OF K!TT£N GOLEMS under the old bed and givin mysel bad asthma all sunday and yesterday

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

so to recap:

are loft beds comfy? = yes
are loft beds safe? = so far
are loft beds sensible? = my life is not sensible = n/a

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
ok the developing problem became THIS BED IS V.SQUEAKY!

it is all put together of metal and everytime i moved an arm let alone turned over it squeaked

i got some 3-in-1, and -- bcz i had NO PLAN WHATEVER to dismnatle and er remantle it -- squirted some into the tops of the legs, hoping it would run down and desqueak a bit

an hour later NO MORE SQUEAKING and none since

(it's a bit hard to get across how surpised i am by this -- i know you oil stuff to make it not squeak, but the oil was going in several feet from the squeak-centres, and just dribbling invisibly down)

(haha as regards the swaying a little -- i discovered abt a week after the aug 29 post that i had forgot to do all the screws up tightly!)

this was my best purchase evah i think

mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Save space + sleep safe from predators and rival baboons = nice work.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Just don't forget the snake-proofing!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

sadly some of the baboons have mysteriously learned to climb the ladder :(

mark s (mark s), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

if ever suffering the squeaky wooden furniture - solution = Talcumapowder!

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking this:

i got some 3-in-1

related to this:

(all 3 = me so calm down boy)

and was about to congratulate mark. Context dashed my imagination, however. Just an oil, I guess.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 6 November 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

whenever i read the phrase "three in a bed romp" i worry one of them will fall off the bed and hurt themselves

in the case of this bed, off the bed = probably OUT OF THE WINDOW and four floors down onto concrete

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

And this:

...squirted some into the tops of the legs, hoping it would run down...

didn't help matters.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

i am boasting in code

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

The room I am moving into seemed rather spacious. Should I buy a double or queen sized bed? Also, what is the least amount of money I can spend and still expect to be tolerably comfortable. How are the Ikea platforms plus wooden slats plus mattress?

Virginia Plain, Sunday, 16 September 2007 04:33 (eighteen years ago)

Not much experience, but I'm very happy with the double bed w/slats plus mattress that I found on Craigslist for $150. I was given the advice that double beds are much easier to maneuver, transport, etc.

clotpoll, Sunday, 16 September 2007 05:32 (eighteen years ago)


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