Explain me horse racing

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Obviously ultimately it's just all about the money... but on the news, in the newspapers, people actually talk like they give a fuck whether one horse can run faster than another. Some horses are world famous! People make films about them! Wtf!?

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

You could say the same thing about human athletics.

At least Phar Lap had charisma.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think the differences with human athletics are a) we're watching our own species, so we have at least some empathy with the guy on the track; and ii) people want to know how fast it's possible to run, and world records are always being broken. Who knows how fast horses run? There are no world records for horse races and afaik horses just don't get faster.

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

It sure as shit makes more sense to me than motor racing.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

It's all just to give little guys a reason to dress up.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Horses are much nicer than humans. And you can't feed the Olympic 100m gold medallist a sugar cube. Well, you could but he wouldn't appreciate it as much as the horse.

Horses have better names too. There was a trotting horse once whose name was "Pink Knickers". Is there anyone called Pink Knickers in human athletics? No. No siree.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

Give me Red Rum over Sebastian Coe any day of the week

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

OK, horse racing in a nutshell:

Bookmaker hands Horse A's trainer a load of cash. Some of this cash is given to Horse A's jockey.

Horse B wins the race.

Scourage (Haberdager), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Give me Red Rum over Sebastian Coe any day of the week

As your local MP?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

At least Red Rum wasn't a Tory

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

He might've been.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

No way!

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

Only reliable carthorses vote Labour. Thoroughbreds are too privileged.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

Red Rum was clearly a Libertarian, and every fule knos that they're just Tories who smoke weed.

Scourage (Haberdager), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

But was Red Rum a thoroughbred? (xpost)

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

1964 General Election = 1973 Grand National
Crisp = Alec Douglas-Home
Red Rum = Harold Wilson

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Shergar = Tory Lord (Lucan)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oops! Didn't mean to imply Crisp was the doddery aristocratic leader of the Conservative Party in 1964 while plucky underdog Harold Wilson made a late burst to win the 1973 Grand National (xpost)

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

What did Lucan ever win?

Red Marauder = Tony Blair. Every other worthwhile horse fell, leaving a scrappy, second-rate battle between the Red labour force and the not-so-Smarty Major camp.

(eugh)

Scourage (Haberdager), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I know Harold Wilson is not buried under the finish line at Aintree.

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

Thread somewhat lacking in serious responses - HORSE LOVERS AND RACING FANATICS UNDERREPRESENTED IN ILX SHOCKAH!

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

My first response was deadly serious.

Scourage (Haberdager), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

I was put off the geegees as a lad by watching my Dad watching hour after hour after hour of racing on the telly, every so often shouting splenetically at the screen while losing fistfuls of money... altho I did use to quite enjoy going down the bookies to put his line on for him

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

My sister (who works in one) was telling me about how people in betting shops can bet on "virtual" racing these days. ie they put money on cartoon horses. I guess hardcore gamblers must be so resigned to the fact that racing is fixed that they don't even need the bookies to pretend otherwise, any more.

JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Not just virtual horse racing but also greyhounds and even football. Some of the work I do includes providing graphics for screen displays advertising the prices on these CGI beasts.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Horse racing is basically the same thing as any other kind of racing, only there's the breed-yr-own-champion element to it. It's like the Westminster Dog Show 5000.

captain reverend gandalf jesus (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

Fast women and slow horses, etc etc etc.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

bukowski to thread! hold on, he was more into dog races?

i had a friend who gambled a lot on horse races. SHE ADORES SEA BISCUIT. had a good chuckle about that.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Red Marauder won me £50! Blair hasn't.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

buk was all about the horses.

isnt it all about working out systems, picking the sucker bet and gauging a zillion factors from a horses past race history to determine who will win? thats like a fulltime job right there.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I used to work with Seb Coe's brother.

St3v3 Sh@st@ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

I would say the next most important thing to know about in horse racing besides the horses is the tracks. Are the horses racing on dirt or grass? How has each horse fared in grass vs dirt races previously? How long is the race? Is your horse better at shorter or longer races? Etc.

After that, I would research the trainers, the jockeys, and then the position of Jupiter in the night sky.

captain reverend gandalf jesus (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

i used to work at horse track and all i know is horse racing really sucks

nazi bikini (harbl), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

and i don't get it! there were a lot of rich people and a lot of drunk people

nazi bikini (harbl), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

It's all just to make jockeys feel better about being freakish little freaks.

captain reverend gandalf jesus (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

triple crown and coke.

carne asada, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:30 (seventeen years ago)

DA'TARA

carne asada, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:34 (seventeen years ago)

couldn't find the extra grear.

carne asada, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

*gear

carne asada, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

"i had no horse"

johnny crunch, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:39 (seventeen years ago)

wow

gr8080, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:40 (seventeen years ago)

I hate Rick Reilly.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:41 (seventeen years ago)

forgone conclusion

gr8080, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

I know but his little pre-race thing was awful even for him.

Alex in SF, Saturday, 7 June 2008 22:53 (seventeen years ago)

There are no world records for horse races and afaik horses just don't get faster.

um, what?

Granny Dainger, Saturday, 7 June 2008 23:07 (seventeen years ago)

the truth. horses complete courses no faster now than they did 100 years ago. no horsey incentives for faster horsey running. horsepower is a constant. ergo hourseracing is not like other sports.

ledge, Sunday, 8 June 2008 02:10 (seventeen years ago)

hoarseracing

johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 June 2008 02:33 (seventeen years ago)

so a Derby-Preakness winner has spit the Belmont bit ELEVEN times since '78? wow.

Dr Morbius, Sunday, 8 June 2008 02:39 (seventeen years ago)

i keep waiting for my generation's secretariat and im disappointed every year!

ryan, Sunday, 8 June 2008 03:12 (seventeen years ago)

everybody is asking omg what happened? and no one is talking about how may was the first month that big brown didnt have a steroid shot.

mizzell, Sunday, 8 June 2008 03:23 (seventeen years ago)

actually maybe a lot of people are talking about it, i haven't seen that much

mizzell, Sunday, 8 June 2008 03:39 (seventeen years ago)

i've been burned so often these last few years re: would-be triple crown winners i barely paid attention this time around.

velko, Sunday, 8 June 2008 04:57 (seventeen years ago)

i've just been watching youtube clips of affirmed and secretariat all night.

this one is choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c_ylcxgCaI

ryan, Sunday, 8 June 2008 05:22 (seventeen years ago)

Part of me wanted Biggie to win it all because I got to see him live at probably the only Kentucky Derby I will ever attend. But a bigger part of me was pleased he won't go down in the record books as a "great champion" because I honestly wasn't too impressed with him and the people around him were/are fucking insufferable.

And besides I LOVE NICK ZITO.

quincie, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)

OMG just watched that Secretariat Belmont again and depite having watched it a zillion times I still get honest-to-god goosebumps. And a little misty.

quincie, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:16 (seventeen years ago)

it is seriously amazing.."he is moving like a TREMENDOUS MACHINE!" i wish i had been alive to see that.

ryan, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:31 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

the truth. horses complete courses no faster now than they did 100 years ago.

― ledge, Saturday, June 7, 2008 10:10 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

the record for 10 furlongs (1 1/4 miles) in the 1920s was 2:05. Secretariat's time for the Derby at that distance was 1:59 2/5. that record still stands but Monarchos came close in 2001.

dmr, Monday, 9 November 2009 05:47 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

i get to go to the races in AZ next weekend, so stoked

― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:18 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dmr how do i find out who's running on the 26th?

this website is less than helpful: http://www.rillitodowns.com/Racing/Race_Entries_%26_Results.html

― ⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:19 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:20 (thirteen years ago)

It sure as shit makes more sense to me than motor racing.
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:19 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exactly. You can't eat an automobile.

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:23 (thirteen years ago)

gr8080 they will probably not draw the races for the 26th until maybe the 23rd. Most tracks draw 72hrs out from the race day, some draw 48.

http://www.drf.com/race-entries

^^^^ will show up on there once they draw, you can see for Rillito right now it only has the same info as that page you linked, past entries for the 11th and 12th.

dmr, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:57 (thirteen years ago)

oh and if you don't see Rillito on there click "All Tracks" toward the top (instead of Most Viewed)

dmr, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

thanks, dude! i'll bump this next week and ask for pr0 tips

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

you should also make sure to watch the Fountain of Youth Stakes on simulcast from Gulfstream Park in Florida that day, two of the top early contenders for the Ky Derby will be racing against each other. Union Rags and Algorithms. I'm sure they will have it on somewhere, usually smaller tracks do big business in showing (and taking bets on) the big races from other tracks.

dmr, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:44 (thirteen years ago)

so who do you like out of those two

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:02 (thirteen years ago)

i'd love to know how to pick horses. of all gambling i think that would be the coolest.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:03 (thirteen years ago)

it's a totally corrupt sport with a lot of fixing so it's sort of hard to be really that good at it. unless you're in the know.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:04 (thirteen years ago)

in britain anyway.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:04 (thirteen years ago)

well i figured. i'm guessing most of the skill is in having a decent head for statistics and probability.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:08 (thirteen years ago)

Exactly. You can't eat an automobile.

Debbie Harry would disagree.

polyphonic, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:24 (thirteen years ago)

so who do you like out of those two

Probably Algorithms? I would have to see who else ends up in the race. Union Rags is the most highly regarded 3-year-old prospect for the Ky Derby but it will be his first race back since November. (Like a lot of horses, he got a winter break after last year's Breeders' Cup.) Sometimes it takes horses a start or two to shake off the rust ... it seems like it will be a pretty tough spot for his first race back off a layoff and Union Rags will probably be really low odds.

Please note: I can talk the talk but I'm not really very good at handicapping. It's a tough game.

Anyway whoever wins that race will become a major player for the Florida Derby and Kentucky Derby so it would just be a cool race to watch if you're at the track. It will be the biggest deal going on in U.S. racing that day.

dmr, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:47 (thirteen years ago)

i'm guessing most of the skill is in having a decent head for statistics and probability

yeah definitely. that's why I kinda suck at it.

dmr, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:49 (thirteen years ago)

omg me too!

i mean, to make money consistently it would be less about picking horses than spreading all your bets out in such and such a way etc

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:22 (thirteen years ago)

totally guessing here.

i've been a track once. it was a cool experience but a little depressing.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:22 (thirteen years ago)

Tips For Greyhounds -

  • Find the one that poops right before the race.
  • Make sure he's from Wisconsin.

pplains, Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:30 (thirteen years ago)

Tips for Greyhounds -

  • The chalk for the pool cue is usually sitting on the left stereo speaker.
_* That's right, there. There next to the ashtray.

pplains, Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:32 (thirteen years ago)

Tips For Greyhounds -

  • You can get a dollar grilled-cheese sandwich after 6:30 even though the sign says 7:00.
  • Don't actually eat the dollar grilled-cheese sandwich.

pplains, Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:33 (thirteen years ago)

less about picking horses than spreading all your bets out in such and such a way etc

yeah it's partly that, people say money management is at least as important as handicapping

it's also realizing that a horse who might be a good bet at 5-1 is a bad bet at 2-1. but also knowing that just because you're playing against the 2-1 horse doesn't mean you should throw him out completely from an exacta just to be contrarian if your top horse is some longshot.

the main thing that makes it so hard is that you're playing against the other players, not against the house, and on like an average weekday unless you play a LOT it's likely that every other person betting that day knows more than you. on the big national days like Kentucky Derby, Breeders' Cup, there's more "dumb" money being thrown in and I feel like I have more of a chance.

dmr, Friday, 17 February 2012 16:10 (thirteen years ago)

six years pass...

hello Hollywood? ever think about how pound for pound triple crown winning horse semen is probably the most valuable substance on earth. anyways what if there was a heist movie where they robbed the strategic horse semen reserve under the churchill downs

— matt 💀 lubchansky (@Lubchansky) June 10, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 June 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

It would have to include some on the nose wisecrack about how it would be easier to pull off Shergar than this heist, or something like that.

calzino, Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

"Horses Shoot, Don't They?"

the Messi inside (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

lol!

calzino, Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

*guffaw*

We can be herpes (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)


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