Ben Thatcher's 'horror tackle' on Pedro Mendes

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I'm assuming many of you by now have seen the 'tackle' by Man City's Ben Thatcher on Portsmouth's Pedro Mendes last night. Jeez, it gets worse the more times I see it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6751-2326640,00.html

I can't see why Mendes or Pompey shouldn't be pressing charges. I mean, shit, that wasn't a foul, that was GBH.

― darren (darren), Thursday, 24 August 2006 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

Well, presumably the police can press charges if they want to, like with Bowyer and wotsisface. Would set a precedent if Pompey did it. Unless the precedent has already been set.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yup. And having benefitted before from Thatcher's Elbow (wasn't that a battle in the Falkland's War?) - vs Nicky Summerbee when he flattened the mackem before passing into the box for our striker to convert - I'm even more disgusted that he's still doing this shit. I don't like him any more.

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ex-Spurs players always seem to hate each other. It's like when Michael Brown and Sean Davis went all handbags at each other.

I've yet to see the video (anyone got a link?) but apparently Mendes was having seizures in the ambulance? If it's as bad as I've heard, Thatcher should get a hefty ban.

He's an appalling defender as well as an aggressive shit.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds really terrible but the phrase "horror tackle" is making me think Thatcher took dude out while wearing a Scream mask.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ulYWND2Yg

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Compare and contrast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziCPQk_Zn80

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

The incident was captured by television cameras but video evidence cannot be used to retrospectively upgrade a yellow card.
A Fifa spokesman confirmed to BBC sport: "It is one of the fundamental rules of the game that the referee's decision is final.

"Therefore, if it is his decision that an offence warrants a yellow card, that cannot be changed later by somebody else."

RULES IN BEING BLINKERINGLY STUPID SHOCKA

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T GET ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT THOUGH!

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

Hard to understand why he did this at all, but Mendes was going absolutely nowhere at the time, chasing a dying ball, deep in his own half.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Because Thatcher's a thug?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

As a Manchester City fan, I'd just like to say Fuck Ben Thatcher.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I do really hope he gets arrested for assault, eff a red card.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

wznt even looking at the ball.

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would hope that the pressure of the high-profile impact of Thatcher's thuggery (front page of BBC website, TV news) nudges the rulebook-fascists at the FA into doing something about it.

Whether they do or they don't, there is still every chance of that turd being charged with assault, and I hope he goes down for it and is banned from footy for life.

― darren (darren), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

*apologies for using the word 'footy' haha - too much exposure to said-word-espousing workmates*

― darren (darren), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

I love the way the papers are describing it as a 'forearm smash'. It wasn't, it was a right-fisted haymaker to the lower jaw of an opponent already travelling quite quickly in the opposite direction. If he's extremely lucky, he might escape with a 12-match ban. His action made Brown's tackle on Giggs last week look like a clean challenge.

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Can Thatcher be charged with ""Bringing the game into disrepute" ?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit thats disgusting. I hope he goes down for this.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

T/S: Thatcher criminality: Mark vs. Ben vs. Margaret

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Colin's got a bit of previous too.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Weirdly, even tho this 'challenge' is horrible, I can't help feeling that people are over-reacting.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Mate, he's gone and effing decked the poor bastard in front of 30,000 people. What did you expect?

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

from the BBC site,
"It's a bit like driving around Trafalgar Square at 100 miles per hour. You may not mean to cause harm, but are likely to do it."

how is it? Thatcher clearly meant harm.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, football's a competitive game with lots of physical contact played by sometimes very hotheaded young men. What did those 30,000 fans expect?

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― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's a bit like driving round Trafalgar Square at 100 mph in an armoured personnel carrier.

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I've never seen a player so comprehensively wiped out before in my 8 years of watching MOTD every Saturday evening. I've certainly never seen such violence before except in the odd Youtube clip.

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

zidaneheadbutt.gif

provoked and different circumstances resulting in different treatment and reactions of course, but a recent example of 'such violence' nonetheless

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Souness used to get away with these all the time.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Its sort of perversely funny as well, the way he goes running in there from miles off for no reason whatsoever. What was going through his mind?

Poor Pedro. He's a very good player but only ever makes the headlines for the wrong reasons.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

apart from that amazing goal he scored last season

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Matt, his two wonder-goals against Man City and further screamer in the next game (I forget the opponent) made the headlines, and assuredly for the right reasons.

Konal, are you crazy? The Zidane moment was shocking, yes, but it wasn't dangerous play. A head to the chest does not begin to compare to Thatcher PUNCHING an opponent IN THE FACE at full-pelt into the advertising hoardings.

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

ALL CAPS MAKES IT HURT MORE

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

What if Zidane had missed his chest and hit his heart by accident though, huh?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. I am crazy. Gibber gibber.

before i saw the clip, I was fearing this was going to be a Dave Busst style thing. I can't remember who made that challenge and what punishment they got, whether it was seen as not malicious intent but just too late and hard. because of that i'm just sort of relieved it was 'only' a punch-barge combo!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I can't ram my face into a heart

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpcBkpOf4z8

Probably the best "I am going to cripple you" moment on the field ever.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Put it this way, my instant reaction upon seeing the Zidane headbutt was 'LOL', but my reaction to Thatcher's was a Daily Mail-esque 'OMG OUTRAGE'. I always thought that the heart was protected by the ribcage, myself, and a player of Zidane's slight build was hardly going to burst through.

David Busst was a Roy Keane-Gary Neville WWE combo. Delightful stuff.

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Matt Dc remember this:

Last Season: Pedro Mendes 93rd minute goal at Fratton Park against Manchester City

Local Radio Commo by Sam Matterface goes into overdrive when Mendes scored that goal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG46aUfFFTQ

Start of match Pompey 9 points adrift [due to losing at Aston Villa by a single goal the previous week], on 90 minutes Pompey were set to be 8 Points a drift, however that goal meant Pompey were only 6 points a drift of West Brom.

The great escape started with that Mendes goal, the fans, the players, the manager all had hope after that goal went in.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

People have been queuing up to condemn Thatcher, always prefacing their remarks with 'he's a lovely lad, Ben'.

I like Pearce's defence, in which he wanted everyone to know that Thatcher asked after Mendes' health afterwards.

That's good enough for me.

― Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Kermit Washington vs. Rudy Tomjanovich to thread. I couldn't find video of The Punch, but it's the only thing I've ever seen in sports that's worse than this Thatcher thing.

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/0913/photo/tomjonavich_washington_195.jpg

― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

The classic is the Battle of Santiago during the 1962 world cup. I can't find any video or pictures but the article on wikipedia gives you a flavour of the type of thing going on.

― jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and it was introduced on the BBC when it was shown with the introduction:

"Good evening. The game you are about to see is the most stupid, appalling, disgusting and disgraceful exhibition of football, possibly in the history of the game."

― jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the one where one player completely decks another from behind, before the entire field breaks out into a thousand-man riot?

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

It's like every Arsenal-Man Utd game from the past 15 years in one 90 minute hatefest.

― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

rugby was the winner

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Santiago

http://www.kenaston.org/KenAston/KenAston50_files/image006.jpg

http://www.kenaston.org/KenAston/KenAston50_files/image008.jpg

― jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

How does a one-off brutal assault in an otherwise nothing game compare with 90 minutes of all-out anarchy from 40 years ago?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

was that Arsenal game the same one where the ref 'thanked god' by throwing his hands in the air at the end of the game?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Celtic vs Racing Club in '68 was a good'n by all accounts.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

There was an Iraq/Kuwait match from the mid 90s as well that, unsurprisingly, turned into a massed brawl as well wasn't there?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping 35 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Boli throws himself to the ground like a kid having a tantrum in a sweet shop then hugs a goalkeeper.

I don't know either.

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― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 25 August 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think he's protesting a penalty decision against him. Brilliantly, I add. :-)

― Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ben Thatcher has been suspended by Man City.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday's Sky Sports interview about the incident with an indignant Harry Redknapp was conducted in front of two cleverly-positioned water sprinklers that made it look exactly like he had steam coming out of his ears.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 26 August 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

...where's a clip??

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 26 August 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

About 5 posts into the thread.

― Pier Paolo Semolina (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

O, I C. Sorry, hungover.

― Pier Paolo Semolina (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Bloody [bloodthirsty] Sky Sports news just dived into this issue with indecent gusto, showing repetition after repetition, from all sorts of angles, several times an hour.

― Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Saturday, 26 August 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Stephen Jordan is so much better than banned Ben, anyway [and this is certainly true on Saturday's glorious evidence].

― Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Saturday, 26 August 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Neil Simpson on Ian Durrant to thread.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 28 August 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Dada, I'm trying. Seems that cos of youthful indiscretions involving English underagers I'm not allowed play for that fine nation which is a pity cos I was really looking forwards to finally wearing an Ireland shirt with my name on it!

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 28 August 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Easily the best Thatcher ever.

― Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/5323024.stm

― -- (688), Thursday, 7 September 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

What is an elbow probe?

No one on this thread has mentioned Paul Davis punching Glen Cockerill (sp?) in an Arsenal v Southampton game in the late 80s. It was an off the ball incident - he just walked up behind him, tapped him on the back, and then as he turned round cracked him right in the face and broke his jaw. The ref didn't see anything at all. There was a load of controversy at the time because ITV showed the incident, so Davis ended up getting a 10-game ban I think, but contractually ITV were only allowed to show the goals in their highlights packages, not random violence.

― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Guardian gallery has given Thatcher a proper going over this week: http://football.guardian.co.uk/gallery/0,,1866041,00.html

― Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

Oh my sweet sainted aunt.

This isn't even the beginning of the end, more like the late-middle.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Please stop whining about how awful everything at Charlton is.

Ben Thatcher, though by no means great, is surely better than Djimi Traore.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Aha, are you having a 'Premiership-club-thinks-THEY'VE-got-problems-what-about-Exeter?' chip-on-shoulder moments?

Well, let me tell you this. We've got problems. Having to choose between Public Enemy #1 and Risible Buffoon #1 at left-back is A BIG FUCKING PROBLEM, OK?

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

*moment, obv.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

champions league medal says no
(but you're probably right all the same)
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― reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Exeter haven't got any particular problems at the moment (aside from being rather lower in the pyramid than we'd like, y'know).

Charlton do have a problem, but it is not their right back (and actually, having to choose between two mediocre right backs is NOT THAT BIG A PROBLEM IN ANY SANE SCHEME OF THINGS OK?) it's the fact that their Board of Directors, long admired for their sannity and stability, seem to have gone a bit mental.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

"sannity", ugh

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

They're left-backs, but point taken. The fact is, however, that we're wasting money on awful footballers with (by one means or another) terrible reputations. Our club is fast becoming a laughing-stock, and although you are correct that our biggest problem is Richard Murray's impending dementia, the plat du jour is Thatcher's signing, which has sorta ruined my day.

I remember when Exeter drew against Everton! Ah, FA Cup memories. I seem to remember you playing a different goalkeeper in either half and both performing heroics (the first one subbed because he'd practically broken his skull).

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

I remember that too, although my memory of the replay seems to be a little bit obscured by Messrs Cain and Higson. I also remember dear old Santos equalising against Charlton at your place, and watching Uri Geller walking on your pitch as our Chairman, ugh.

BT's tackle on Pedro was unforgivably bad, but I rather like him as a player and think he might end up bebing rather useful for Charlton.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

omg! I went to that game!

Johansson scored with two overhead kicks, didn't he? Santos' was a looping header, I remember that, but I also remember we should have scored more than three. I didn't know Uri Geller was there.

BT might be quite useful if and only if he shakes the monkey from his back. He will be booed at every single ground he plays at, though.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know (or much care) who scored for Charlton! I think you're right though.

Having a player who's targeted by the booists = not always a bad thing. As long as the booists are not yr own fans.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

...which has been the problem with half our first-team this season.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

BTW the young keeper who came on as a sub vs Everton and did so well was Jason Matthews, who's currently at Weymouth, another club who know what a REAL PROBLEM is: all their players transfer listed, Garry Hill and his mate gone, looking to return to being part time.

I don't have much sympathy with them*, mind: another case of a non-league tinpot Abramovich without the finance to back up his grand ambitions, as far as I can tell.

*Aside from the faithful thousand or so who had no control over the Chairman's foolishness and most likely saw this coming.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

their 'Ben Thatcher' moment was Steve Claridge, to be fair

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

It's possible that you could be more wrong about that, but I'm not sure how.

I think hearing Charlton fans booing their own team is the thing which has made me less sympathetic towards them (as a non-aligned SE London resident I've always felt fairly positively about CAFC).

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

I was only joking about Claridge! I've taken an oath not to use emoticons for two weeks, and that was a case where I'd normally have shoved a winking smiley (or three) in after the text.

I'm against the booing of our own players and I've never done it myself, so I agree with you that it's very sad. We never used to be like this. Seems that the crowd are growing impatient, and taking Premiership status for granted, which is of course when relegation is most likely to strike.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

It also helps to check facts. In buying Thatcher it appears we've also SOLD Traore. At least we're rid of the frying-pan.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I assumed you knew that. You appear to be half a million pounds up on the deal also.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Which Spurs defender past or present next for the mighty Charlton defence?

Anthony Garder - 5/3
Gary Doherty - 3/1
Maurizio Tarrico - 10/1
Ramon Vega - 30/1
Ledley King - 500/1

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Tarrico is still a footballer?!

We were gonna sign Gardner at the start of the 05-06 season, but that petered out rather badly. I maintain that Luke Young >>> Pascal Chimbonda, however.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Most of their fans were told time and time again about what their chairman was doing, and are quite easily the most astonishing bunch of forelock rugging lickspittles I've ever seen. They formed a praetorian guard around the Chairman, and hated on anyone who had the teemrity to suggest this was unsustainable. They really have, to a greater or lesser extent, brung this on themselves.

― The Boyler (The Boyler), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Tarrico is still a footballer?!

I'm not sure he was ever a footballer. Mind, he's the player I most modelled my own game on.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

DB, which "they" are we talking about? Charlton? Weymouth? Turkey? ALL OF THEM EVER APART FROM US AND YOU?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

(Anyone except for Germany)

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

No, the Terrable Terras.

Though you and Ptee are of course right.

― The Boyler (The Boyler), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

OKAY, WE'VE GOT PROBLEMS.

and apparently M'boro's second was just astonishingly rubbish Charlton 'defending'.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

YES

― unfished business, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

Charlton are staying up. I'm calling it.

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

I called that one ages ago. They've got a relatively kind run-in, including MASSIVE games against Watford and Wigan coming up. That game against Wigan will probably decide who goes down.

West Ham = fucked.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Don't rule out Sheffield United going down either. They're only a three-game losing streak from real problems.

Evil biscuit mogul man should be cutting his losses and running within about three weeks. The only question is whether he's gonna appoint Bobby Robson or Terry Venables as "the man to get this ship back on course".

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

I think it would be quite funny if they appointed David O'Leary. They probably won't.

Curbs isn't coming out well in Pardew v Curbishley FITE!, is he?

― Matt DC, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

This WAS our biggest game since returning to the Premiership, but I agree, the Wigan one will be bigger.

― unfished business, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

ten years pass...

List of 'that type of player'

― The night before all about day (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 March 2017 12:57 (eight years ago)

feel ttops have been driven underground. they can't openly declare themselves as ttops like your vinnie joneses or whatever did. sort of like racists.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

Ireland were giving as good as they got, according to Chris Coleman, so that's alright then. You know what we British are like when we play each other.

― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 March 2017 13:13 (eight years ago)

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