Forbes: Women who make money be divorce havin', crazy bitches who are sadists out to make men miserable

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The article has been taken down by Forbes magazine, coinciduncely, and replaces with a banal point-counterpoint, but here WAS the original link:

Don't Marry Career Women

so an LJ person by the name of agreatnotion has reprinted the article here:

http://agreatnotion.livejournal.com/553587.html

However, to do this person's bandwidth a favor, I'll copy and paste it here.

Don't Marry Career Women
by Michael Noer
Forbes.com
August 21, 2006

Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don't marry a woman with a career.

Why? Because if many social scientists are to be believed, you run a higher risk of having a rocky marriage. While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women--even those with a "feminist" outlook--are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner.

Not a happy conclusion, especially given that many men, particularly successful men, are attracted to women with similar goals and aspirations. And why not? After all, your typical career girl is well-educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. All seemingly good things, right? Sure…at least until you get married. Then, to put it bluntly, the more successful she is the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. Sound familiar?

In Pictures: Nine Reasons To Steer Clear Of Career Women
Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse's parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married--it's just that they are less likely to be so than non-working women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub.

To be clear, we're not talking about a high-school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a "career girl" has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.
If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill ( American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier ( Institute for Social Research).

Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally men have tended to do "market" or paid work outside the home and women have tended to do "non-market" or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases--if, for example, both spouses have careers--the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that.

In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women's work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men's work hours often have no statistical effect. "I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed," Johnson says. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives' employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of "low marital quality."

The other reason a career can hurt a marriage will be obvious to anyone who has seen their mate run off with a co-worker: When your spouse works outside the home, chances increase they'll meet someone they like more than you. "The work environment provides a host of potential partners," researcher Adrian J. Blow reported in the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, "and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals."

There's more: According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extra-marital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas.) Additionally, individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat.

And if the cheating leads to divorce, you're really in trouble. Divorce has been positively correlated with higher rates of alcoholism, clinical depression and suicide. Other studies have associated divorce with increased rates of cancer, stroke, and sexually-transmitted disease. Plus divorce is financially devastating. According to one recent study on "Marriage and Divorce's Impact on Wealth," published in The Journal of Sociology, divorced people see their overall net worth drop an average of 77%.

So why not just stay single? Because, academically speaking, a solid marriage has a host of benefits beyond just individual "happiness." There are broader social and health implications as well. According to a 2004 paper entitled "What Do Social Scientists Know About the Benefits of Marriage?" marriage is positively associated with "better outcomes for children under most circumstances," higher earnings for adult men, and "being married and being in a satisfying marriage are positively associated with health and negatively associated with mortality." In other words, a good marriage is associated with a higher income, a longer, healthier life and better-adjusted kids.

A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it's important not to confuse correlation with causation. In other words, just because married folks are healthier than single people, it doesn't mean that marriage is causing the health gains. It could just be that healthier people are more likely to be married.

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

The best part was the pictorial slide show for each point that Noer made.

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

And somehow, I botched the original Forbes URL posted for some reason...

http://www.forbes.com/home/2006/08/23/Marriage-Careers-Divorce_cx_mn_land.html

(again, it's just point-counterpart now)

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Gawker took the pics from the original article, and reworked the series of events in a typical "career" message

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

"I hate independent women! How dare they have a life!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gawker.com/assets/resources/2006/08/misery_7.jpg

I can't help but think there's something very familiar-looking about this couch.

gear!'s ex-roommate (nickalicious), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

An Asian woman wept at the senselessness of it all.

R to the OFFAL

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

By the same author (you should probably read the whole thing):

But back to whores: Edlund and Korn admit that spouses and streetwalkers aren't exactly alike. Wives, in truth, are superior to whores in the economist's sense of being a good whose consumption increases as income rises--like fine wine. This may explain why prostitution is less common in wealthier countries. But the implication remains that wives and whores are--if not exactly like Coke and Pepsi--something akin to champagne and beer. The same sort of thing.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

A whore probably won't do your laundry or make you dinner.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

A wife probably won't do anal or let your friends watch.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

AAAH, I know there's no reason to rant about this when everyone else already thinks it's stupid, but how maddening! Especially the part about isolating your wife from co-workers in case she cheats with them. That paragraph is COMPLETELY gender-neutral, and yet it's supposed to be a reason for men to stay away from career women?

xpost, and whore article:
"The third alternative, working in a regular job but not marrying, can be ruled out, since we assume that the only downside of marriage for a woman is the forgone opportunity for prostitution."

Well it all starts to make sense if you put it that way!

Maria (Maria), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

the Wife Or Whore article reads like Steely Dan liner notes.. until you realize it's not Steely Dan, and it's serious.

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, so a career woman is any woman who works more than 35/hours a week, makes more than $30,000/yr, and has a college education? Isn't that most of us?

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yes and how horrible you are to only have love for cute little puggles. Apparently.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

the Wife Or Whore article reads like Steely Dan liner notes.. until you realize it's not Steely Dan, and it's serious.

Ha!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Career wife who brings home the bacon while I continue slacking away in irresponsibility sounds awesome. As long as she lets me decorate the house/'upscale urban loft.'

milo z (mlp), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

True, Milo... but you'll end up like a depressed Jeremy Piven with severe balding anxiety:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2006/08/misery_8.jpg

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

it's so sad how he's sitting in the dark. if only his wife would come home from her after-work affair and turn on a light for him!

Maria (Maria), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Why not just bring the affair home to cook him a meal? That would only be fair, after all.

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Only if it's a lesbian affair and he can in on 3-way after they serve him dinner, huh huh huh

Logged Outt (loggedoutt), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/wvferrell/image001.jpg

Will (will), Friday, 25 August 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

once again, the eternal battle of a lady in the street vs a freak in the bed continues

kingfish high command (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 26 August 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, 1955. The good old days.

Wand Milius (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 26 August 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

This probably says nothing good about me, but I've been a stay at home mom for 8 years and I think my husband would be seriously worried about me if I did any of those things.

Of course I'm going back to school this year so that I can someday have a career...

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Saturday, 26 August 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him."

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Saturday, 26 August 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but just a little. We can't have you running off with little Susie's P.E. coach.

Will (will), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.forbes.com/media/bugs/2006/08/0823bug_mnoer.jpg

this is a pic of the douchebag who wrote that article

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

from the counterpoint article:
"There is, of course, the continual dilemma of who does the work around the house. But if both spouses are working, guess what? They've got enough income to hire someone else to fold laundry, mop floors, etc. "

uh WHAT. um srsly do you have to be straining the bounds of credulity (every household where both partners work full-time earns enough to have a cleaner?) just so yr forbes reader doesn't have to face up to the idea that maybe the husband should do some hosuework?

stop moving. (cis), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

will's newspaper clipping is a fake, in case you didn't already know.

As a former career girl turned stay-at-home mom, I don't really think I have anything to say about this. Or maybe I don't know where to begin. I'm just glad I'm keeping house in the age of vacuum cleaners, disposable diapers and washing machines.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

A couple weeks ago I was at a 50th anniversary party, and I was sitting next to a couple older women who were talking about how it blows their minds that their daughters dislike laundry, because it's so easy and it takes no time at all, they have machines for washing and drying! I've been in places where people don't have the machines, but I guess I had my entitled-American-youth blinders on, because it was a little shocking to realize that there are people in upstate NY who washed by hand well into their middle-class adult lives.

http://www.russian-brides-today.org/p8s.jpg

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 26 August 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

("Forget about kitchen slavery, live a new way of life!" more or less)

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 26 August 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

For our purposes, a "career girl" has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.

That seems to set the bar for a "career" awfully low, doesn't it?

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 26 August 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Will's news clipping may be fake, but it's hardly far away from reality. I bought this 8-LP "How to be a good housewife" box set at a thrift store in O.C. for a dollar many years ago, mainly for the dialog sample material. It was all narration about how a housewife must conduct herself. One track was called "Beauty is a Duty".

the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Saturday, 26 August 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

heh! it did seem comically over-the-top. I wonder what/ where it's from??
('m pretty sure it ended up in my hands via myspace bulletin)

Will (will), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Beauty is a Duty"

You misspelled 'booty.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

This one's real, and from 1989
http://www.artybees.co.nz/bizarre-book-pages/women-big-pink-monstrosity.htm

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

PAGE 116

Let your tender emotions show

"Feminine tenderness toward children and animals, even flowers and plants is also very appealing to men, and also the tears we shed over a sad or moving story. We shouldn't hide our tender emotions or hold back our tears. They make a man feel manly and strong. Our tenderness arouses and awakens his own tenderness and love.''

"Any questions so far - Yes Marina?''

"What are some of the things that we women do that men find unfeminine?''

Things men find unfeminine in a woman

"Well Marina there are so many, but they are all things that men do themselves, like drinking alcoholic drinks, swearing, loud laughing, telling jokes. Any loud boisterous behaviour - even whistling, but there are many other things we should try and avoid too – like shaking hands too firmly, driving trucks, vans or large cars, any type of sports car or riding motorbikes. If you don't feel feminine doing it, try and avoid it. Just remember the rule. WATCH WHAT MEN DO AND DO THE OPPOSITE.”

Beth spoke. "That's difficult when you're working with men and doing the same sort of work as them.''

"You're right Beth, it is difficult. That's why we should not try and succeed in man's aggressive and noisy world. Our femininity diminishes by degrees without us noticing it. We sacrifice our gentleness and our grace.”

“On the other hand our femininity and our charm blossom and are enhanced by a feminine environment. Just as the moon, when it moves out of harsh daylight into it's own world of the night sky, is enhanced in beauty and splendour.''

The enormous influence of our tongues

"Now let's look at something that has a very, very big influence on our femininity - our tongue - the way we speak. You know, whether our marriage is heaven on earth, or hell on earth depends more on how we use our tongue than on anything else we do.''

The teacher suddenly became serious. “More than anything else, our choice of words and the tone in which we speak them will make or break our marriage. That's so important I want to repeat it. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, OUR CHOICE OF WORDS AND THE TONE IN WHICH WE SPEAK THEM WILL MAKE OR BREAK OUR MARRIAGE. We can have happiness on earth or hell on earth, we hold the key.''

"Let's look now at some guidelines we can use. First, we must think before we speak. We should ask ourselves.''

"IS IT KIND?''

"IS IT TRUE?''

"IS IT NECESSARY?''

"HOW WILL IT MAKE MY HUSBAND FEEL?''

"And then after applying these guidelines, when we do speak we should speak positively and lovingly. I know this is hard to do when we are irritated but it's so important. It makes all the difference in the world. Say it positively and lovingly.”

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

newsflash! Forbes has this year's list of Best Cities for Singles! oh oh oh, what sort of city do YOU, the single Forbes reader, want to live in? Hopefully it's Houston or Orlando, 'cuz both are in the top 25!

kingfish, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

Top 25 best cities to shop for a Wife(tm)!

Hurting 2, Saturday, 25 August 2007 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, did you notice how it's every large, urban area in the U.S.? Eerie... Country girls must not like men.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 25 August 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

"A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it's important not to confuse correlation with causation."

That sentence, at the end of the article, is the 'and then I woke up' of pseudoscience.

moley, Saturday, 25 August 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

where's the forbes study on jerky dudes treating their wives like shit?

oh wate.
m.

msp, Saturday, 25 August 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

You know, whether our marriage is heaven on earth, or hell on earth depends more on how we use our tongue than on anything else we do.

*chortle* I'll say!

Trayce, Saturday, 25 August 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)


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