is it possible to be truly "conservative" in america?

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in "buried alive," walter karp observes that while strong movements in america have always called themselves "conservative," virtually none of those movements has ever actually been conservative - that is, devoted to keeping things the way they are.

instead, he writes, they've been steadfastly opposed to the way things are. "we have had conservatives who wanted voters disenfranchised and 'mass democracy' curbed; conservatives who pined for a parliamentary system of government; conservatives who wanted america ruled by a council of corporate magnates; conservatives who yearned for established churches and fixed social classes. today we have conservatives who would dismantle the federal government in order to restore 'the free-market economy' and conservatives who would have us wage holy war against russia [karp is writing in 1979] though the very heavens might fall. so far from cherishing things as they are, the conservative in america is almost invariably a malcontent."

he notes that there has never been a single significant conservative thinker or politician in the united states: "britain has its burke, coleridge, and dr johnson, its pitt, disraeli, and churchill. american conservatives cannot lay firm claim to a single american hero. alexander hamilton is often regarded as the archetypal american conservative, and in a certain sense he was. at one point in his career hamilton talked of overthrowing the republic and making himself first consul."

he attributes this strange absence to the nature of a popular republic, where since nothing is valued simply because it's traditional and anything can be overturned if enough of the people desire it, every "conservative" winds up pitting himself against the very radicalness of america itself and trying to curb popular rule in some way. in other words, it's IMPOSSIBLE to be truly conservative in america. did ronald reagan fit the definition of a conservative? no. there's a reason they called it the "reagan revolution."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

britain has its burke, coleridge, and dr johnson, its pitt, disraeli, and churchill.

I think you'll find that Churchill was pretty radical, at various points in his career

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

It may be possible, individually, narrowly and rather impotently, to be a "conservative" in the USA, but even that would require a clear idea of what sort of society and values were "traditional" in the USA, which might after all be impossible.

The USA is such a hodge-podge of philosophies, religions, economies, and regionalisms that the only way to be "conservative" in the strictest sense would be to adhere to a narrow and particular set of values which, although they may be endemic to your own social group, might be viewed as quite radical and revolutionary by your neighbors. So, would that make you a conservative or a revolutionary?

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think you'll find that Churchill was pretty radical, at various points in his career

Yeah, like that time he popped that flip-kick ollie after completing a fakey 720!

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Such a perfect setup line.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I've got half a mind to excelsior that, JD. :-D

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I would if I understood it

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

that's because you are .co.uk

a little knowledge can go a long way (lfam2), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

couk!

a little knowledge can go a long way (lfam2), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I gathered that much

dud Hab 'C' dEva (Dada), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Heheheheh

Skater Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, like that time he manouvered his skateboard adroitly with his feet while jumping into the air after confusing his audience into believing he had just made two full rotations of his head.

a little knowledge can go a long way (lfam2), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I only know what he's on about because of a mis-spent youth playing (or watching more skilful peers play) Tony Hawk's 2.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

an example of the typically performative american intersection of goth and skate

a little knowledge can go a long way (lfam2), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, yesterday:

http://www.foveaphoto.com/gallery/albums/Skate-Or-Die/seth_5_sm.sized.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

(No, I don't know why he's skating near a rocket dildo.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh you know why.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Never knew you cared.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

do strict constructionists count maybe?

Maria (Maria), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

mark lilla doesnt think so: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jan/12/republicans-revolution/?page=1

0010101 (Lamp), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:49 (thirteen years ago)


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