Queen Latifah's finished off my empanadas again: the Jersey City thread part 27

http://www.jerseycityhistory.net/powerhousesw.jpg

is going to be developed by this guy:

http://www.cordish.com/

who as far as I can tell is a glorified mall developer who sometimes throws in a bandshell.

A quote from the new head of the Jersey City Redevelopment Authority:

"The Powerhouse is a priority," said Antonicello. "It will be unique. Five years from now, I see someone coming to the Powerhouse to go to the Barnes and Noble, and have a drink at a bar."

Now THAT'S vision.

Jeremiah Healy modeled for my studio class: JC28
I found a Rye Coalition CD at 99-Cent Dreams: JC29
Your golf ball has struck my yacht: JC30

If it was a weekend, it's also possible that you ended up in Hoboken and THOUGHT you were on the wrong train, but actually you weren't, because the weekend train stops in Hoboken first. Which blows.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/nyregion/19erect.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1158674521-O754yOUpauCxx3VyjcUbmA&oref=slogin

Loft Project in Jersey City Attracts a Big Name
By JONATHAN MILLER

JERSEY CITY, N.J., Sept. 18 — Only a decade ago, the 13-block warehouse district near the waterfront here was little more than a tumbledown assemblage of buildings.

Over the years, it had become a refuge for artists and others, offering cheap rent for those priced out of Lower Manhattan and Brooklyn. But as Wall Street companies began migrating across the Hudson River, development on the waterfront surged. Builders, among them Donald Trump, saw opportunity and began creating luxury housing out of faded buildings, or constructing new ones.

On Monday, officials and developers gathered at a hotel built on an old pier to announce a major coup: one of the world’s most famed architects will transform a warehouse, once an artist enclave, into luxury lofts.

The architect, Rem Koolhaas, is a winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize and the designer of the Seattle Public Library, the Las Vegas Guggenheim, and the Prada store in Lower Manhattan.

Mr. Koolhaas, who has described his work as “flamboyant conceptually, but not formally,” was approached after a settlement the city reached with the landlord over the zoning of the site.

“My main intent is to do a sophisticated work,” Mr. Koolhaas said in an interview on Monday, although he was short on specifics and said it would take about six months for him to draw up a plan.

Of Jersey City, he said, “It is clearly emerging into a new future, though it’s not clear what.”

Developers and Mr. Koolhaas say they want the site to become a center in Jersey City, one with shops, cafes, galleries and other amenities.

How much of a role the current warehouse building will play in that vision is unclear. The building, a 140-year-old Greek Revival structure at 111 First Street, was a long a warehouse for the tobacco maker P. Lorillard and had been at the center of a long and bitter dispute. For 15 years it had served as a haven for artists — some living there illegally — and at its peak housed about 120 studios.

Last year, their legal options exhausted, the artists reached an agreement with the landlord, BLDG Management Company, based in Manhattan, to leave the building. In exchange they were forgiven what they owed in back rent.

Even before the artists were evicted, the president of BLDG, Lloyd M. Goldman, said that the building was unsafe and ought to be demolished.

How much of the building Mr. Koolhaas will preserve is unclear. The settlement drawn up by the city requires that the facade be preserved, but officials here said that they would be open to any changes Mr. Koolhaas might propose.

In July, the City Council approved zoning changes in the district that would allow developers on the site to build something considerably larger than what is already there, possibly as tall as 670 feet. The decision was criticized by local preservation and other groups.

City officials boasted on Monday that getting someone like Mr. Koolhaas here was a boost to the city. “We want to have someone of this status come here,” said Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy. “We wanted something spectacular.”

The waterfront, once the terminus for numerous rail lines and later a derelict wasteland, has undergone a renaissance in the past decade.

Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and other financial companies opened offices here. Last year, Mr. Trump announced that he would take the lead in developing the tallest residential building in the state a block from 111 First Street. Nearby, another high-rise is being built on the site of a former warehouse. Two blocks away, a 35-story residential tower is being built atop a former parking lot, and a half dozen warehouses in the district have been converted to luxury housing.

But a softening economy over the past few years has prompted some developers to switch their ambitious office projects to luxury residential ones.

The building Mr. Koolhaas intends to design will be 1.3 million square feet and include 710 condominium units. In addition, there will be 120 “work-live units,” some of which will be offered to artists at below-market rate. The plan also calls for 16,000 square feet of art galleries and about 52,000 square feet for retail use. The owners say they hope to start building next year and finish by mid-2009.

Mr. Koolhaas said that Jersey City has potential, but acknowledged that the city is still a work in progress.

“The streetscape is difficult,” he said. “It’s not great yet. There’s still a lot to be done.”

I have mixed feelings. The historic designation was sort of thrown up as a last-minute stall maneuver by the tennants to begin with, wasn't it? But I don't like the fact that the city just did away with it like nothing - sends a message that laws don't really matter. It's corrupt, no doubt.

As far as I know the "arts district" designation still stands, and the buildings in the neighborhood still have to do below market artist housing - though I don't know how affordable that really is. There is actually a little gallery on first st. now but it's in an area with basically no foot traffic, so I doubt it can last unless it's some rich person's vanity project.

Also, as I posted above, the developer for the Powerhouse is probably going to do something boring like a Barnes and Noble and a theme restaurant.

I guess if a skyscraper is going to go up at 111, I'd rather have it be designed by a well-known architect like Koolhaas then just have another crappy newport-style tower. Those things are atrocious. And I like the idea of it bringing more art galleries into town.

To be honest, most of the art coming out of the old 111 was complete shit, although I did like this guy:

http://www.edwardfausty.com/

(the jpegs are deceptive - he has an unusual printing process which is what really makes the photos)

Hoboken, Jersey City
The views are grand, the prices are modest ($400 a square foot, anyone?), and Wall Street is just a path train away. But no matter how many times Yo La Tengo plays Maxwell’s, Hoboken isn’t Williamsburg, and it probably never will be. (Just try getting a cabbie to drive you there without a $20 bribe.) With 50 percent more listings on the market now compared with the same time last year, sales in path-train Jersey have slowed radically. “There’s really a glut right now,” says Jay Rubenstein of Century 21 Hoboken.

Best Buy: A fixer-upper in Jersey City Heights. For $400,000 you can find a big two-family unit in need of only a face-lift. The rental income will cut your mortgage by more than half.

1) They're two very different places. Maybe you should have botherd to take a PATH (all caps, dumbass, it's an acronym) train over here to find out.

2) Yo La Tengo are from Hoboken. Them playing Maxwell's has nothing to do with trying to make Hoboken into Williamsburg, and both Maxwell's and YLT, I'm pretty sure, have been there since way before Williamsburg was a "destination". And it's kind of a moot point whether Hoboken will "ever" be like Williamsburg, since it's already fully gentrified and nothing like Brooklyn at all.

3) Jersey City Heights is not "PATH-train Jersey" and hence the "best-buy" label seems a bit arbitrary. You could probably get an even cheaper 2-family in Union City.

Best pre-YLT show eats near the Loews Jersey?

There's also supposed to be a fucking amazing Egyptian fish restaurant at the bottom of that block but never tried it.

I think Philipino Bread House is just a bakery. Some people have told me Casa Manilla is good, but I usually avoid steam table food.

Single-minded Egyptian fish joint rules near Journal Square

by Robert Sietsema -Village Voice
August 17th, 2006 3:50 PM

You might go just for the neon. Waves of it course across the rear wall, upon which a happy blue porgy and pink octopus dance, and orange Arabic script crawls across the front windows. In addition, there are nautical motifs galore, including lighthouses and carved boats. You'll feel as if you were dining in a ship's galley, or maybe in Sea World. Open more than a decade, Suez Canal is one of the Egyptian fish restaurants that constitute Jersey City's greatest culinary asset, though light years away from the high-rises and shopping opportunities of Harborside and Newport Mall. The proprietors are from Port Said, at the mouth of the Suez Canal, where fresh fish is an obsession.

In fact, fish is so much the focus of the menu, there's little else to eat. If you prefer, you can begin with a rudimentary salad of iceberg, purple onions, tomatoes, and cukes in a bare-bones vinaigrette (large, $2; colossal, $4), which could be readily shared, respectively, by two or four persons. The best part: There's no balsamic vinegar anywhere on the premises! Then there's the thing I call the eggplant appetizer ($2), even though most diners use it as a side dish. Fried rounds of aubergine are heaped with diced tomatoes and mild green chiles, then sprinkled with dill, which is not the first herb you'd expect to find sprouting next to the Suez Canal. These two starters are sided with pitas warmed on the grill and a saucer of herbed tahini.

Apart from the starters, and a big plate of dirty rice that can be ordered separately, the rest of the menu is entirely seafood. First off, there are whole fish. These are dipped in whole-wheat flour, blackened over charcoal, then baptized with salt water. This process renders the skin inedible, but turns the flesh supremely sweet and moist. One evening, proprietor Hasan El Khodairy sidled up and showed us how to peel the skin away before attacking our foot-long sea bass. The market price was $8—but what planet is that market on, we wondered as we tore into the wonderful fish? We learned to extract more flavor by dipping our pitas in the cooking moisture that accumulated in the bottom of the metal salver. There are usually a couple of other whole fish available in the same price range, including red mullet and porgy.

Being sophisticated New Yorkers, we initially eschewed the fried filets. Were we ever full of shit! Described simply as "white fish," the breaded and boneless grouper filet ($8) flops over the sides of the plate, crisp and chestnut-colored. Alone, it would have made a perfect meal. But it came flooded with a thick tart garlic sauce that seeped into the flesh as we cut through the breading, making the fish seem like an aquatic take on chicken-fried steak. More surprises were in store on subsequent visits. Shrimp and calamari are available singly ($8) or in combination ($14). They come flooded with a red sauce that owes much to Italian marinara, with the herbal seasoning shifted in a Middle Eastern direction. After exhausting the plate of dirty rice we ordered with it, we looked around sheepishly. Then we were unable to restrain ourselves from tilting the plate and drinking the remaining fluid as if it were a soup.

I suppose if you allowed time, you could always do an extra PATH-stop at Grove St. and eat around there, but the show starts kind of early, right?

this so deserves to be bumped again

Do you live in Jersey City?

That Egyptian fish place is incredible. There's also a new Indian place down there that's really good - Bolo Curry. Supposedly the former chef of Indira Gandhi

I live close enough. I'd just been thinking about this thread and was in a particularly Jersey-Pride mood.

Our dear Thinisu, the best Indian restaurant in the Brunz, recently closed. There was much mourning.

Yeah, i remember Thinisu. It opened around 2001 or 2002, I think. That spot is tough - before that it was a really good Asian noodle place that closed after a year or two.

To be honest, Thinisu was not great. It was incredibly cheap though, and I liked the owner a lot.

It was too!! Ravi made killer samosas. Now there's a semi-pricey place on George St. and nothing else.

Back to Brick City: My beloved Patel's Snack Shop on Newark closed a month ago. The owner sold it and retired. The good news is that the place that's there now - Rim Zim's (!) Snacks - is often excellent. Their wada pav is killer as are their juices. Though their lassis don't hold up compared to Patel's. Cheap, too.

Had my first paan the other day and wasn't sure if I should swallow the leaf after chewing or what. Awkward.

Morgan Sea Food on Kennedy is better than ever -- and better than Suez Canal.

http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0801,sietsema,78762,15.html

Counter Culture
New place on Newark Avenue wants to be your Indian diner
Bachelor pad
by Robert Sietsema
January 2nd, 2008 6:20 PM

Happily cooking for glum bachelors at Udupi Shri Krishna Palace
Cary Conover
Udupi Shri Krishna Palace
789 Newark Avenue,
Jersey City, New Jersey,
201-876-4773

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Jersey City's Little India wasn't nearly as impressive 10 years ago. Chowpatty anchored the neighborhood back then, the top dog in a modest pack of five restaurants. Named after a popular Mumbai beach, Chowpatty specialized in the vegetarian cooking of Gujarat, India's impoverished westernmost state. In fact, a large proportion of the groceries, chat houses, and jewelry stores— ostentatiously displaying the gold necklaces that form an Indian bride's dowry—catered to Gujaratis.

The ensuing years have been kind to the four blocks of Newark Avenue north of Journal Square. Little India has bloomed like a rosewater lassi, so that now the thoroughfare and surrounding streets form a South Asian business district more impressive than either Jackson Heights or Iselin, New Jersey. On weekend afternoons, the streets flood with shoppers, many in colorful saris, stocking up on cheap mangoes, dals, and such unusual vegetables as snake gourd, loofah, and tindoor.

Though Chowpatty is long gone, and with it much of the Gujarati presence, the neighborhood now boasts 15 restaurants of stunning diversity, including dosa huts, slightly upscale Punjabi joints, a meat-intensive Hyderabadi buffet, sweets palaces marshalling barfis and halwas in neat rows, an Indian pizza parlor offering incendiary fresh-jalapeño pies, and—most recent of all—a garish red-and-yellow walk-up window called 99 Cent Angethi Express that specializes in super-cheap carryout meals.

Nearly as new and twice as interesting is Udupi Shri Krishna Palace, named after a Hindu temple in Udupi, a holy city in India's southwestern coastal state of Karnataka. The place has a fast-food feel to it, though dishes are cooked to order, which can take a half hour when the place is hopping. Booth seating comes nattily veneered in shades of purple and brown, and a window looks into the kitchen, where a talented cook works slowly and methodically. On a weekday evening, bachelors sit glumly waiting for their dinners as romantic Bollywood tunes burble softly in the background. Luckily, the diners are not glum because of what they're about to eat, which is easily some of the best Indian food in the metropolitan region.

Udupi Palace would be worth visiting if only for the meat-bearing dishes from Karnataka and the surrounding states of southern India, a region often associated with vegetarian food. Goat, lamb, and chicken are featured—but no cow or pig, for obvious religious reasons. Sounding like really kinky porn, mutton sukka ($7.95) describes several fine large chunks of sheep cooked down to coarse chocolate sludge with coconut milk, like the best examples of beef rendang found in Indonesian restaurants. The sheep, however, is outdone by the goat achari: bone-in pieces of meat, almost full chops, lounging with swatches of lime-skin pickle in thick sauce. The taste is pungently acidic and the color is oily red. Note: Indian gravies are not considered done until oil oozes like the Exxon Valdez.

From Chettinad, a state east of Karnataka, comes chicken chettinadu ($6.95), sporting a tan-colored gravy shot with black pepper, a throwback to the days before chili peppers arrived in India in the 16th century. Those chilies came via the Portuguese, whose west-coast colony of Goa was responsible for the most notorious use of chilies in India: vindaloo. It was originally made with pork, which was possible because Goa was an island of Catholicism in a Hindu sea.

But the menu is not limited to historical oddities. In its quest to become the quintessential Indian diner, Udupi generates Southern Indian vegetarian standards and Northern Indian fare, too. In the first category, you'll find a typical selection of eight dosas (crisp, vegetable-filled crepes), which would be impressive if Sri Ganesha's Dosa House weren't a stone's throw down the street, offering dosas by the dozens in a carnival atmosphere. Rather, pick any of the utthampam ($4.25–$4.95), fluffy pancakes made with a batter of ground rice and lentils.

Among Northern Indian choices, Mughal vegetarian favorites like alu gobi (potato and cauliflower, $5.95) are rendered in unfussier form than elsewhere, but why not go wild and order something from the separate Indo-Chinese menu? While the hakka noodles are just OK, the "chilli chicken" ($6.95) is right on the money—boneless nuggets hot from the tandoori oven rolled in green onions and chilies. The dish is so hot, an expression of concern might flash across your face. Hopefully, you won't be mistaken for one of the glum bachelors.

I dunno, guys. The last few times I've eaten downtown (Hard Grove, the Greek place - is it called "It's All Greek to Me"? - even usually fantastic IBBY's!) I found myself wondering why the food was so crap and, with the exception of Ibby's, why so expensive? How do you guys who live downtown put up with it? Granted, last time was a couple of months ago but, still... The choices are def. more varied than up in the JSQ area but the quality was pretty lacking.

The main places I eat downtown are Taqueria and Nha Trang. Both are cheap and awesome.

I've also started occasionally getting delivery from a new place in Paulus Hook called Harvest Cart - fantastic roast chicken and pulled pork and greens and dirty rice and whatnot - at first it looks a bit pricey but the quality is amazing. La Conguita is much better for Cuban than Hard Grove and very cheap. 2nd Street Bakery has great $4 Italian specialty sandwiches but only open during the day.

There is an inexplicable price markup at some restaurants in town especially compared with comparable (and usually better places) in Brooklyn or Queens (Greek, Thai, etc.)

Someone recently told me Hernandez Restaurant on Varick was really good - I think it's like a Puerto Rican or Dominican steam table type place.

In Journal Square I like Rasoi for standard Indian, Dosa House for cheap Southern Indian, and holy fuck you have to go to this little Egyptian Fish Joint on Tonnelle called Suez Canal. Insanely cheap and good. Otherwise I don't know that part of town as well.

Some people like the Chinese place on Grove past the PATH station. I forget what it's called. I don't really like the standard cheap Chinese joint fare myself.

Still haven't tried the Udupi Shri Krishna Palace. Tried to go the other day, couldn't remember the name and wound up going to some other place by accident. And it was awful.

I went to La Conguita, once. I ordered garlic soup and it came with a raw egg cracked on top. I was not amused, in fact I think it was raining and I was really tired and having a fight with then-boyfriend and just needed something comforting...and gross soup made me cry.

xp Don't know why Sietsema decided to big-up Udupi. Place kinda stinks. Where was the awful restaurant you ended up at, Hurting? Just curious.

Raw egg? Weird - I've had the garlic soup and it did have egg but not raw.

I think the bad place was called Manpanasand - really nasty

Oh yeah Bolo Curry is good btw.

Bolo Curry is awesome. New Thai restaurant coming in on Newark and Summit, its awning says something like "The Romance of Dining."

I saw the guy who used to host "The Secret Life Of..." on Food Network at the JC Target today.

Hey, I was at Target today. Wife's prescription and also bought a pair of pants. Also ate some shitty chicken tenders - $2 for a 3-piece and a drink. I drank some bizarre new diet soda called Tava.

I don't think I'd know that guy though.

It's funny, the only reason I recognized the guy is that my husband and I used to marvel at the unbridled enthusiasm he had doing the show. They replaced him with George Duran recently, and he seems to deadpan the entire show. We saw the original guy (Jim O'Connor) by the Blue Ribbon Bakery once, and now we saw him in Target.

Have you ever seen the security guy at Target who rides around the parking lot on a Segway?

haha YES we were just laughing at that guy

Is the Blue Ribbon Bakery any good? I understand it's actually a huge Filipino chain.

I haven't actually been there, just stopped at a light.

apparently they have segway guards at Newport Centre now too. Congrats on finding a way to make security guards look LESS intimidating

Please don't tell me they're zipping around the mall! I guess it's equally amusing having them in the parking deck.

http://www.apwfestival.com/images/mainPoster.jpg
fwiw

No chance I'm going, but curious about what if any effect it will have on the town. Liberty State Park is close enough to downtown that we might have a few smelly stragglers wandering around. Taqueria is probably the best-positioned business to benefit, geographically and otherwise.

is the White Mana in JC better then White Manna in Hackensack?

People have told me the Hackensack one is better, but I've only been to the Hackensack one. The Jersey City one is on Route 1/9 so I don't really have occasion to go there (not like I'm going to take my wife to Ringside Lounge for a drink).

dude i just discovered the one in hackensack.

yeah, Rt 1/9 is mad shady down by JC

Oh that's too bad, I like Metric but I will not go see those other bands.

If you're in Hackensack you should also eat at Brooklyn's Pizza.

yeah, no one day with a strong enough line-up for me to justify shelling out

I'm still on the fence about this one... hopefully more acts will be added. I'm wondering if I'd be able to see it from my roof.

I tried the Udupi Shri Krishna Palace tonight. It was good overall - the goat achari had a bangin' sauce but the meat was a bit dry and tough. Cheap as hell. Definitely added to my list of go-to takeout places.

A Starbucks just opened, right by the Grove St. PATH. Duane Reade opening soon next door.

(shrugs)

yeah, i really wanted a decent grocery store. fuckareade. fuckabucks.
Ox is really good, btw.

I've been meaning to try Ox. If you guys ever want to go (maybe a while from now since we've been blowing too much on nice meals lately) give me a ring.

I FUCKING HATE GROVE POINTE. EVERYTIME I GET OFF THE PATH NOW IT'S LIKE "LOL, YOU ARE BACK IN JERSEY!"

Nothing to do but move to JSq. Or maybe Newark, to be head of the wave.

Newark is in many ways a much more beautiful city than Jersey City.

Absolutely. Slight chance of gunfire.

Yeah. I hear the Ironbound is ok though. I'm in Newark regularly for work and I like it. But not likely I'll move as long as my rent stays cheap, especially if I go to Cardozo next year, which is looking probable.

For the second year in a row, "Home Field Advantage – Experimental Jazz in Jersey City" will present Jersey City-based musicians performing cutting-edge improvised music in their hometown every Friday in May. The festival -- organized by Jersey City resident and musician James Keepnews -- will take place at Toy Eaters Studio (one flight downstairs from the festival's venue last year, Lex Leonard Gallery), located at 143 Christopher Columbus Drive in Jersey City, one block west of the Grove St. PATH station. The concerts will begin each night at 8 PM. Tickets will be $12 general admission and $10 students and seniors, available the door each performance evening.

The festival's concert schedule this year will be:

5/2 - Tony Malaby's Tamarindo -- with William Parker and Nasheet Waits

5/9 - People's Revolutionary Party -- debut of an avant-garde big band organized by James Keepnews, with Daniel Carter, Ras Moshe, Matt Lavelle and many others

5/16 - Bryan Beninghove -- featuring Eyal Maoz and special guests

5/23 - Damian Catera -- with Michael Lopez and G. E. Schwartz

5/30 - Nate Wooley -- with Chris Speed, Reuben Radding and Harris Eisenstadt

More details will be posted separately to the JCList calendar for each group and performance in May. For further information regarding "Home Field Advantage," please contact James Keepnews at 212.353.6971, or at jameskeepn✧✧✧@ya✧✧✧.c✧✧. For more information about Toy Eaters Studio, go to http://www.myspace.com/toyeaters.

Endless Boogie tomorrow across from my place:

http://www.fifty8.com/Images/TheOtherSide_back2.jpg

Not sure when the bands are starting, but if anyone wants to meet up let me know.

bump

is the White Mana in JC better then White Manna in Hackensack?

-- carne asada, Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:12 PM (1 month ago)

haven't been to the hackensack one, but the jc one is pretty gross (though VERY atmospheric). the burgers weren't very good, and the place was filthy (and i usually don't notice/mind that kind of thing).

Endless Boogie was good. Someone really needs to convince that gallery to book decent bands more often.

Bump for William Parker/Nasheet Waits/Tony Malaby this Friday (see above)

bump - it's tonight

This is kind of lol:

http://curbed.com/archives/2008/05/22/how_to_campaign_for_a_zoning_change_or_not.php#poll_=AzN2ITM

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_5_exeter.jpg

There are three big problems with developer Exeter Property Company's strategy for trying to convince the locals in downtown Jersey City that this lot just across from City Hall should be turned into a new residential building: 1) Taco Bell is delicious. 2) A giant nail salon is as Jersey as apple pie is American. 3) Everyone loves a bargain. This sign, spotted by our friends at StreetEasy (now w/ Jersey listings!), urges JCers to expend valuable finger energy by texting, but wouldn't they rather just click? Let's find out!

What does Jersey City need?
A Taco Bell drive-thru

38.5% (197 votes)
The largest nail salon in Jersey City

26.4% (135 votes)
A fabulous loft building with amazing retail stores built by Exeter Property Company

14.8% (76 votes)
A 99-cent super store

20.3% (104 votes)

Hurting was reppin the Taqueria when he was down there for awhile and i gotta say it's some pretty damn decent mexican food. not bad at all!

just went back there again.is good!

I do miss it.

I also heard that Ox closed.

possible trivia action tomw night at 8 at The Merchant bar, if anyone wd like to play w/ Dr M

bump... 2 blocks fr PATH train

(my usual teammate is away)