TS: aspirational marketing vs. earnest marketing

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Aspirational = ads that pretend they're aimed at totally imaginary people who are richer, sexier, and more fun and stylish than the actual target market. Thus the actual target market imagines that by purchasing the product, they're sneaking their way into a much cooler demographic. (E.g. an SUV commercial that shows off the trunkspace by having someone load a large painting in there, allowing you to aspire to be the sort of person who purchases art.)

Earnest = supposedly straight-talking, no-nonsense, "we understand what your life is like" stuff. (Though of course these ads are still packed with aspirational stuff, in what's actually a much more cutting way -- they pretend that they're cutting the crap and talking about real lives like yours, but the images in them are still way more perfect than yours, which seems designed to leave people feeling like they're not even living up to realistic, sympathetic standards of what everyday people are like.)

But so: which sort do you actually prefer? I ask because I kinda think the former is, weirdly, a lot more honest. (I.e., at least it's more up-front about its dishonesty.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

P.S. that "aspirational" category doesn't just mean the typical old beer-commercial "drinking Miller is like a beach party with large-breasted chicks" thing, which is way too transparent, but a lot of more subtle, stuff -- like "oh, I have this horrible headache but there's a board meeting in 10 minutes, I'd better take EXCEDRIN," because don't we all want to be important board-meeting-attending businessdudes with important headaches.

I think the most weirdly effective aspirational marketing thing I've seen in the past few years is the art for those Lavalife subway ads -- they do a really good job of mentally selling you on a hipstery Sex and the City meet-cute aesthetic.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

I want to hate those Lavalife ads so much but... I like the asthetic so I end up looking at them a lot.

The first thing I thought of when you described the "earnest" ads are the ones for various pain relieves where the people depicted in the commercial "haven't got time for the pain" so they take Tylenol to get on with their workaday life.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

Like there is this group of people out there who DO have time for headaches, that's what I never get about that commercial.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

I see a major difficulty with this invitation to take sides. It would require me to side with one or the other approach, which would be, in some degree, to express my approval or acquiescence. No can do. This topic seems more appropriate for an invitation to defend the indefensible.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

I guess rich people can take a day off work and lie down in a dark room for a few hours, but poor people have to keep on trucking, headache or no. NO TIME FOR PAIN! MUST PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE! Etc.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, Ally, but that's the trick: the headache thing is trying to tap into the way that each of us feels singularly important and dynamic and headache-averse. Though they always take the same upscale approaches to it: the "with three kids depending on me, I don't have time for headache pain," and then the very professional "my clients depend on me to be at the top of my game. I can't have a headache -- not with millions of dollars at stake."

Focus groups must have responded poorly to "I work at the DMV, it's miserable enough without a headache."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I love that they also seem to be implying that a headache is a dehabilitating condition that prevents you from even interacting slightly with others. I mean, I have a headache right now and it hasn't occurred to me that I just do not have time for this headache or to get indignant about its existance.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

That's not really the point of your thread though, is it. I must say that I do tend to like the ridiculous aspirational ads better than the "you are very important and we can relate" everyman type ads, but you forgot the third type of advertising, which is the COMPLETE NONSENSE realm (ie big buckin' chicken or the Slim Jims ad where they blow up a truck with a meteor, etc). Those ones are better than either of the ones trying to relate to people. But the ones trying to "relate" to people on a justfolks level are the absolute devil.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

nabisco what do you call HEAD ON! APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD! and those rathergood.com Quizno's ads that ran for about two weeks and then disappeared? If you say "viral" you get slaps.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

married life.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha I think you have just summed up the problem with non sequitur ads because the meteor hitting a truck one is like for toyota I think

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

At least if an advert makes me laugh I probly won't actively hate the product.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

I think you're leaving out some of the better categories here, such as "ridiculous" and "humorous," although humorous ones are often basically earnest.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

What about that dude that wants to clean everything in your house with the power of oxygen? Ridiculous? Earnest? Aspirational?

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

Nonsense ads were okay for a microsecond, but now they're starting to scare the living hell out of me. Not that I have a theory on this, or anything, but part of me fears the Youtubalization of culture into this horrible world of twenty-second WTF random-shit packages, which will pretty quickly cease to seem interesting and just seem annoyingly premeditated and contentless, until such point as we're all like "please god I want to see Wilford Brimley explain to me about diabetes for a full forty minutes, please god coherent content please." I mean, maybe. I dunno. But it skeezes me out a little. You can't co-opt the "haha WTF" aesthetic into a major thing, it falls apart.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

P.S. JERKOIDS I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE COVERING EVERY CATEGORY EVER, I ASKED YOU TO BE TAKING THE SIDES BETWEEN TWO SPECIFICALLY

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but those two are kind of crap, compared to the Quiznos ads, let's be honest.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Haha this is the second straight thread nabisco responded to something I said with all caps.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

If anything the aspirational ads are more honest because the audience more or less accepts that aspirational quality, we know we won't really score with lots of hotties because we drink Brand X. Whereas the earnest ads are like Soap Operas in the UK: they pretend to be Realism, but they're pretty far from reality.

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

One of my favorite ad campaigns right now is the one for some bank about identity theft protection where people are talking but very unlikely voices and sentiments are coming out of them. That sort of thing is an ad tradition that goes back way before youtube.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

The nabisco-TOMBOT convergence is drawing closer.
xpost

Stephen X (Stephen X), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

I mean ads almost never actually have content though, do they? Or if they do it can pretty much be coveyed in 5 seconds or less.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

The last of the real-content ads might have been those local furniture-showroom spots from the 70s and 80s that spent 30 seconds rattling off sale prices on specific pieces of merchandise.

That's about as information-rich as you can get, but I can't say that's an era I miss.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

The identity-theft ones are great, yeah. I think they're squarely in the "earnest" camp, because they portray the ID-theft victims as kinda uncool and Everyperson and easy to feel sorry for, really -- e.g., the black guy lifting weights in his garage really cute-lame in a lovable way. (And it's not quite the same role as the schlubby bald guy who doesn't use the right product and thus gets screwed over, while his young neighbor breezes smugly by.) They have the opposite of aspiration, actually, which is denigrating the ID thieves as losers: the ditz-voice that wants to be a star and can't sing, the geek building a girl-robot, etc. So I'm not sure how they fit, really.

I guess there's a category of getting kind of meta and ironic about the aspirational thing -- e.g. those cellphone commercials where the two dads are strapped down watching their families eat up minutes. (No-minutes guy's wife hates him!) The real gem in that series, though, was the one where the losing guy was like "hey, where did he get a Cobb salad?"

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, see, I guess the trick to those ID-theft commercials is that while most ads try to unsettle you by implying the world is full of people who are better than you, those ads are keen on letting you know there are people worse than you.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

I particularly hate the earnest kind as it applies to MOTHERS and HOME UPKEEP. I hate HATE the ads that suggest that you could be buying a special product that will TRAP and KILL germs even in the very AIR YOU BREATHE, as if your mothering credentials are highly suspect otherwise and you might even be hearing from Family Services because what kind of mother ARE you, anyway? Shit, we crawled around outdoors and kissed the dogs and none of us even have allergies.

People are susceptible to appeals to their insecurity in all kinds of arenas, and not so susceptible in others...but expectations for mothers are both COMPLETELY CRACKED and also very broadly aimed...lots of men don't covet trucks, for instance, or power tools, or to be more clean shaven, or whatever, but appeals to one's prowess as a mother cover a huge swath of women who are liable to be very vulnerable.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

So I'm not sure how they fit, really.

I think they're very Aspirational, by saying "it's dog-eat-dog down there in the underclass, isn't it, Bunky? Buy our credit protection and avoid the Pinks and the Normals." (xpost!)

Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

lots of men don't covet trucks, for instance, or power tools, or to be more clean shaven, or whatever

And thus is born the dick-enlargement ad.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I figure the point of the ID-theft ones is to undermine the message conveyed by media coverage that ID theft is going to happen to you and you won't even know it, that's how smart these identity thieves are, and then you'll get arrested and lose all your credit or something. Those ads make it seem like something you could actually protect against, and thus you should buy their protection.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

(I.e., at least it's more up-front about its dishonesty.)

I actually think this distinction - rather, the acceptance of this distinction - is insidious!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

one commercial that is currently driving me absolutely crazy is for amp'd mobile, with this grl sitting in a bar, telling you all about the various features her cell phone service is providing her. i guess it's supposed to be like you are sitting across the table from her and she's telling you about it as a friend might. except it doesn't quite hit that peer-to-peer gossip mark that it's striving for. the woman just ends up coming across as this really annoying, screechy, doesn't-know-when-to-shut-up harpy. she really undermines the idea that i'm supposed to relate to her. where does this fit in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzvYEXyZyM

robots in love (robotsinlove), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

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funny ringtones (funny ringtones), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

Nonsense ads were okay for a microsecond, but now they're starting to scare the living hell out of me. Not that I have a theory on this, or anything, but part of me fears the Youtubalization of culture into this horrible world of twenty-second WTF random-shit packages, which will pretty quickly cease to seem interesting and just seem annoyingly premeditated and contentless, until such point as we're all like "please god I want to see Wilford Brimley explain to me about diabetes for a full forty minutes, please god coherent content please." I mean, maybe. I dunno. But it skeezes me out a little. You can't co-opt the "haha WTF" aesthetic into a major thing, it falls apart.

god this is totally one of my pet peeves. but i disagree, i think you CAN co-opt it and ads have been doing it like crazy since the 90s. it's the banality of absurdity.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:46 (eighteen years ago)

"So good, you'll say,'I'm thinkin'Arby's!'"

(discuss)

literalisp (literalisp), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 05:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, what about the ads they have now for pharmaceuticals where they try to play it like "just we girls in a club" are sitting around talkin' 'bout the nitty gritty details of, like, Yaz or whatever? WTF?

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

Pharmaceutical ads always have the best and most crushing aspirational ads, since the aspirations are really simple and hella real-world. Like "I aspire to be able to leave the house on a sunny day," or "I aspire to be able to make a model ship without experiencing debilitating joint pain." All ads for old people are like this, really. They come off like earnest straight-talk ads, but that's because they're aspiring toward really basic things: "I aspire to be the sort of person who can play with my grandkids," "I aspire to be able to pay for my own funeral," etc.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

nabisco otm

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

play it like "just we girls in a club" are sitting around talkin' 'bout the nitty gritty details of, like, Yaz or whatever? WTF?

what, you don't do this Ally. You and your friends are lame.

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

We tend to keep to less technical topics, like tampons.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

I see a major difficulty with this invitation to take sides. It would require me to side with one or the other approach, which would be, in some degree, to express my approval or acquiescence. No can do. This topic seems more appropriate for an invitation to defend the indefensible.

Yeah.

I think this discussion is kind of like "which flavor of manure do you like to rub all over yourself" because while the artistic qualities of certain ads have been noted, and FFS we have CANNES AWARDS for pretty TV spots, it does not change the fact that the nearly inescapable barrage of marketing everywhere we go in the modern world is a terrible awful thing. Making people feel like shit and holding their self-esteem hostage to material consumption is no better than making people feel like shit unless they donate to the church. People who talk about branding and marketing and "target demographics" might as well be talking about guns and ammunition and "stopping power," to me. I didn't always feel this way about it but lately my animosity towards marketing has just been growing at a geometric rate, not sure exactly why but that fucking Belvedere vodka one might have a lot to do with it.

If we have to have ads, I would prefer a couple of animated potatoes shrieking about sandwiches to anything that actively tries to engage the comparative-fitness sizing-up parts of my mind. The complete disconnect between adverts and any kind of reality (cf. "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC," 20somethings driving Jaguars, "Earthlink is blazing fast") is sort of its own bad joke at this point, but they're still insulting my intelligence because somebody believes that somebody is going to believe this - and then I feel bad because I'm thinking about how the hell some Marketing VP got sold this shit in some pitch by an agency who could care less about this quarter's numbers and doesn't even realize that his company's $$$ is being spent to improve Q ratings of Justin Long and John Hodgeman, not marketshare.

I think you answered your own question anyway right at the start! They're both the same thing, they prey on the same emotions, but one is more blatant about it and a little easier to ignore.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

manipulative adverts are unamerican and anti-capitalist!!!!!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I said it!!!

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

To get specific, Tom, I think the damaging part of them is that people now look in large part to advertising in order to get cues for how they're supposed to live, or ideas for what they might want their lives to be like.

It's not that people are already whole and coherent, and advertising just commands them to be something else. The issue is that people aren't born whole or coherent, and need something to give them ideas and options for what they might want to be -- ideas that would traditionally come from the people around you, or institutions like the church or the army or academics. Advertising and consumption have replaced a whole lot of that, along with television, which is so tied up with advertising that they're often somewhat indistinguishable.

Kind of a problem, yes.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

well it could be very well that I'm just really bothered personally by the idea that people over the age of about 21 still walk around with such an incomplete idea of self that they fall for this shit. That as a concept seems alien and troublesome to me (though yeah I live in a city and witness the symptoms every day)

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

"aspirational" is easier to discard because it's usually just plain silly on the face of it. "earnest" advertising's disconnect from life on earth is often in the details, like the fact that bitches who own houses that big don't clean their own fucking bathrooms.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

"In capitalism, advertising conveys false information, the institutional roles of buyer and seller in the market place pit people against one another and these same markets hide information about the social costs and consequences of our economic choices. The societal effect is warped preferences -- our needs, desires and wants. Over all there's a bias towards production and consumption of private goods rather than public goods. Capitalism warps society and human development and has given most of us a bum deal."
I rather agree with that internet man

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I remember when Adam Smith used to go on and on about withholding information and trying to con the living hell out of the consumer was essential to the spirit of the free market

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

An ad campaign that I realized I was sneering at the the other day was for some super-cheap dial-up ISP but instead of implying that you, the intended customer, are broke and would be wise to save your nickels, it portrayed all the happy users of its services as well-dressed and well-adapted upper-middle class people in large homes, and I was thinking, 'Huh? Those people are shelling out enough money to question whether they should get cable or DSL, not tinker with slowpokey dial-up.'

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

yeah it's so pervasive to always show everyone as being in the top tenth percentile by household income on television now that when McDonald's etc. actually have the stones to make an ad depicting low-income minorities it's kind of a holy shit moment

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

There are two tricks to that ad, M.

1 = "No it's not embarrassing to be on dialup! No seriously, lots of people use dialup!"

2 = More importantly, they might be pitching toward low-income people for whom just getting decent dialup will itself feel like a step up into the world of well-adapted doing-well folks. (I.e., "I'm getting internet access like every middle-class person around.")

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, N, but they're also running the risk of offending their intended targets with their condescension. They're probably gambling that their would-be customers either won't notice or will prefer the 'aspirational' pitch to the cold hard facts of their reality.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I really don't know if that's a trick or just the convention, though.

What do you think of ads like the Dyson vacuum ones, where nobody is ever shown actually using the product?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

I've never seen any vacuum commercial with the product in action.

"NEVER LOSES SUCTION -- WHAT?! OH, ABOUT 125 DECIBELS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, USUALLY NOT A HEALTH HAZARD."

Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, is it a viable strategy to rebrand using your longstanding negative branding as the springboard? ie, "these nazis are so fun, you'll say, 'i'm thinkin' hitler!'" cause the only other reading is just dumb. ie, "this thing is so good, you'll like this thing."

literalisp (literalisp), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago)


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