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Seven junior members have resigned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5319328.stm
"I was going to sack them all anyway".

Why doesn't he resign? What's he waiting for? And other questions...

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

"People in the country want a change," Henderson told the BBC News website.

woah careful with that sorta talk!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

i think he will go....

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

now!

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

ok, now.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

rats.

now.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

it's pathetic. i predict next they will all stop talking to him entirely and whenever he speaks say "did you hear something?"

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

I saw there was great celebration at the Daily Mail when Thatch was named "most successful PM of the modern era (1900-present)" and lots of "hnerr.." at Tony Blair. The chart showed that umm, she tied with Gaitskill. Who was not mentioned/pictured/fawned over in the article.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

I suspect the Brown camp has been plotting this for a while and these seven are the cannon fodder going over the breach. Very interesting to see how things go now.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

I hope they make V signs behind his back and spit in his food when he's not looking

― Ich Ber Ein Binliner (Dada), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

he wants his 10 years and he'll probably get it

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

When is his ten years?

That'll be "longer than thatch" right?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think we'll see a stalking horse challenge over the next few weeks, as Brown clearly hasn't got the balls.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

Thatcher had more than 11 years.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

now?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

its very hard to be a stalking horse in the labour party (constitution isn't set up like the Tories')

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

thatch had 11 and a half years

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

thatcher should SERVE at least 11 years etc etc

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

You can't have a stalking horse in the Labour Party - the rules don't allow it. No one's allowed to stand against Blair unless he calls a leadership election.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

may 1st next year mark! blimey i remember wot i was doing in 1997, where's the time gone etc etc

it wouldn't be longer than thee Thatch but it's a nice round number, and a lot more than gordon brown will get i'd wager

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

When his bladder can hold it no longer.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

You can't have a stalking horse in the Labour Party - the rules don't allow it. No one's allowed to stand against Blair unless he calls a leadership election.

That doesn't prevent someone publicly declaring an intention to be Labour leader and offering Blair a square go. Blair can then dismiss it (and look worse) or contest it (and not win convincingly).

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Brown will get a nice round number too.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed, Alan Johnson PM by Christmas.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

And that's not his old job as a postman.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

A working class ex-union leader leading the Labour Party? Fat chance!

― Ich Ber Ein Binliner (Dada), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

tony robinson pm by christmas

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

EH - Gaitskill never actually PM.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

tony robinson pm by christmas

HURRAH!!!

Now he can truly sample the Worst Job In History.

― Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe he meant Attlee? (xpost)

― Ich Ber Ein Binliner (Dada), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Why didn't they just change the locks on number ten whilst he was on holiday?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

Yes, he meant Atlee...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402620&in_page_id=1770

The list was dreamt up by a Mr Francis Beckett. And here it is.

Margaret Thatcher - 5
Clement Richard Attlee - 5
Edward Heath - 4
Winston Churchill - 4
Harold Macmillan - 4
Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman - 4
Robert Arthur Talbot Gascoyne-Cecil [later Lord Salisbury] - 3
Herbert Henry Asquith- 3
David Lloyd George- 3
Stanley Baldwin- 3
James Harold Wilson- 3
Tony Blair- 3
James Callaghan - 2
Arthur James Balfour - 2
Andrew Bonar Law - 1
James Ramsay MacDonald -1
Sir Alec Douglas-Home -1
John Major -1
Neville Chamberlain - 0

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

From what I understand, Tony Blair is totally reviled by the British public for supporting Bush. Am I correct? If he goes, will the new PM challenge Bush or maintain a sycophantic attitude towards Washington? If they have a choice.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 7 September 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

Tony Blair is reviled for lot's of things, support of bush and commitment to two costly foreign wars (Afghanistan is the one making the headlines at the moment). If Gordon Brown becomes PM, he is very pro American but is not very much in favour of Bush's Mercantilist, projectionist tendencies. No one really knows his views on the wars, he has managed to keep out of all debate on it, the best anyone can say is that he is pissed off at the cost and duration of the war which is doing a great deal to besmirch his reputation as one of the best Chancellors of the Exchequer Britain has ever had. He's known.

He's pro public services and pro fiscal stability and closer to pro American thinking than pro European thinking (you get the impression that he sees most EU countries as slightly backward).

Probably not much change though after November 2006 any leader will be dealing the George Bush as a leader who is at best on his way out or at worst (from his pint of view not ours) as a leader with no political capital left and no control of his legislature other than a crochety veto.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 7 September 2006 07:36 (eighteen years ago)

I'm slowly coming round to the view that it's Alan Johnson who'd be Labour's best chance of winning the election. If the leadership challenge gets bloody it'll damage Brown's image hugely.

Also, the big thing in Johnson's favour is no one knows anything about him, and David Cameron's proving there's capital in being able to distance yourself from hugely unpopular parties/governments.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 September 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm slowly coming round to the idea that shooting them all would be good.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Thursday, 7 September 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think labour can win now.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:03 (eighteen years ago)

;-;

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

what does alan johnson have to offer? is he charismatic?

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:06 (eighteen years ago)

If he goes, will the new PM challenge Bush or maintain a sycophantic attitude towards Washington? If they have a choice.

Brown (assuming he succeeds the present incumbent twat) will probably not want to be seen to be so publically chummy with Bush, but in policy terms there will be no change. He's already admitted that he would have handled the Iraq situation in exactly the same way.

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:15 (eighteen years ago)

I think the Tories still have a long way to go before they can win. Yes they have a young charismatic leader who seems to be well liked, but people are still suspicious of the Tories and the Tories still haven't made any policy announcements yet (nor should they or will they until are year before the general election).

It's difficult to say how revitalising a new leader will be to Labour or how the Tories fuck up over the next three years.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago)

labour need to*de*vitalize if anything, before they privatize the very air we breathe.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:18 (eighteen years ago)

Well of course it's still completely possible for Labour to win - we are at least 2 years away from a general election - and much depends on Camerons continuing popularity (something which bemuses and amazes me more each day) and what Brown does when he becomes leader. I think we're looking more at a John Major situation with Brown just winning the next election. But I'm usually wrong.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:18 (eighteen years ago)

Cameron is popular because:

1) His youthful chubby face
2) He isn't Tony Blair (or Prescott, John Reid or Menzies Campbell for that matter)
3) He has put forward no concrete ideas of what he wants to do with the country so no one could possible agree or disagree with him.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:21 (eighteen years ago)

4) He isn't Scottish.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:23 (eighteen years ago)

5) Doesn't hate teh gays

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:28 (eighteen years ago)

6) has reached out to independent-readers

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:28 (eighteen years ago)

the most important constituency in the country.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago)

well, you know what i mean, he seems greener than blair.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, all that but...fckng 'ell he's such a public school boy. I have nothing vs. them (some of my best freinds, etc...) but I thought the british public wouldn't go for that. I was wrong (as always).

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago)

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he didn't lie, but it's the same panglossian nonsense. plus anyway the war there in '01 is one thing, the stuff happening now another.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, we've found somthing Tony Blair hasn't lied about!

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

but then he never talks about it, as far as i can see. it's the mod chaps who say things like 'without a shot being fired we will establish authority in southern afghanistan'.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

'without a minister being fired we will establish authority in southern afghanistan'.

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

mo drama

now clarke is right here, brown has been an absolute cock.

you'd think being the second most powerful politician in the country for nine years would give you some political horse sense (not to mention an ability to engage voters...), but he's a disaster. the continual no. 10 vs no. 11 briefings over the last... erm, nine years have done no favours to the labour party.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

And he sang the praises of a possible Blairite challenger, Alan Milburn, calling him "leadership material."

Now who's the "absolutely stupid" one here?

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

Brown's argument against Scottish Independence.

"The SNP want to drag us apart and impose a divorce when literally millions of Scots have relatives in England."

Okay, it was written for a Daily Record audience but still, wtf.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

... and when literally millions of English people say they won't vote for a Scotsman to be Prime Minister, Gordon

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

PERHAPS TONY BENN WILL COME OUT OF RETIREMENT FOR ONE LAST JOB

HE CAN TEAM UP WITH MICHAEL FOOT AND IT WILL BE LIKE LETHAL WEAPON OR SOMETHING

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

I GOT INVITED (KIND OF) TO A DRINKS THING FOR EL FOOT AT THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, IN A FEW WEEKS.

MAYBE HE WILL DECLARE, THERE AND THEN!

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only person who thinks the "millions of people won't vote for a Scot" thing is overplayed?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

THEY WILL USE SCIENCE TO CREATE A CYBORG JIM CALLAGHAN

i won't vote for a scot

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

Agreed, it sounds teh rubbish but a recent poll showed that millions of English won't vote for a Scot (xpost)

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

Well, better a Scot than a ginger Scot. A ginger SOT of a Scot...

― Angel In Love With Her Own Pedals (kate), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

Now see here

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

Has Brown really been acting like an idiot? Blair has been a complete liability for at least a couple of years now, and the sooner he is gone the better for the Labour party. It's Blair's refusal to accept this that is causing all the bother. That, and his attempts to stop Brown ever becoming Prime Minister at all costs, and desperately hoping that a Blairite candidate will emerge to take over instead, and trying to impose his own policies on whoever takes over.

― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

Blair is a million trillion times more culpable than Brown in this (ongoing) nonsense

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

oh he's an idiot too, but how did brown think that blair would roll over now? much of their interpersonal relationship will have to wait for the biographers, i suppose.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

I think Brown just really wants to see Blair suffer now, which I heartily endorse

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

Me too.

I've read / heard a lot of bollocks recently in the media about the lessons to be learned from the way the Tories ditched Thatcher in 1990 - as if this was responsible for them getting wiped out in 1997, with the idea being that if Brown is forced out then Labour will be punished by the voters. This just nonsense - the Tories were miles behind Labour in the polls and Thatcher was incredibly unpopular (and starting to go mad), Kinnock would definitely have beaten Thatcher in an election, but as soon as Thatcher was booted out and Major came in the Tories gained about 15% in the polls overnight and won the next election. The treatment of Thatcher had no repercussions with the voters at all - it was the fact that Major's government was weak, incompetent, and divided over Europe that did them in.

― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

clarke had some balls writing that, is the other thing. would brown put him in the cabinet after that?

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

This isn't about balls, it's about backing a side for better or worse.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

I'm assuming Clarke knows that Brown knows that he hates his guts. Does it really take balls to (try to) sabotage the leadership ambitions of someone who is unlikely to give you a leading cabinet post, and big up someone who is likely to give you a leading cabinet post?

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

i know what you mean. thing is cameron looks more electable now than kinnock did in 1990 (or 1992). that's just a feeling, i suppose.

"as soon as Thatcher was booted out and Major came in the Tories gained about 15% in the polls overnight and won the next election."

however i just can't see anything like a 15% bounce from *any* labour contender. with thatcher wasn't the unpopularity a lot personal? with blair i'm not convinced it is.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

With Blair, it's a lot personal

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Clarke isn't going to go anywhere near the cabinet ever again and he knows it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Gallup had Labour polling at eight points higher at the last election if they'd have been led by Brown rather than Blair. I'm not sure if that swing was from the Tories or the Lib Dems, though. Anyone?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Tony Blair is Scottish.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

We don't want him

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Born in Edinburgh, educated at Fettes.

― treefell (treefell), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

REMEMBER HIM THIS WAY

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Blairelectionaddress83.jpg

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Funny how all the party leaders have Scottish surnames: Blair, Cameron, Campbell... except Alex Salmond of course!

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Clarke isn't going to go anywhere near the cabinet ever again and he knows it.
-- Matt DC (runmd...) (webmail), September 8th, 2006 1:29 PM. (Matt DC) (link)

what makes you say that? he is a fairly big player, and new labour characters do tend to have big comebacks (also he didn't actually do much wrong...).

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Pissing off Blairites AND Brownites is generally not a good idea

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

but his ears! Those ears will never be on a prime minister's head!

xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

Being a useless cunt = doing much wrong

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

well yes but HE WAS IN A CABINET OF CUNTS.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

That's the "only following orders" defence.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not a big CLARKE FAN or nuthin; i'm just saying...

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I know and I agree with your point. I just took the opportunity to point out that he's a useless cunt. In a cabinet of cunts.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

Is that the collective noun?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

The trouble with the Thatcher coup was that whilst it was electorally beneficial, the Maastricht Treaty ramifications with the Tories meant that in the minds of the 'bastards', Thatcher's removal by weak fools started to map onto the same impulse which was selling Britain down the river, and so Thatcher's removal was re-interpreted as a tragic mistake, rather than necessary act to win the election.

What helped them lose wasn't the division that caused them to lose a leader, but the division which the loss of the leader helped cement later on.

As for Cameron, he has absolutely no impact on the Tory vote in Scotland or the North; he might get a few metropolitans to think about going to them, which has had a big effect on the Lib-Dems, traditionally the beneficiaries of metro switching. The analogy with Kinnock might be OTM, in that however more electable he looks, there's an irredeemable uncertainty that will always get in the way.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

so Thatcher's removal was re-interpreted as a tragic mistake

Tho that reinterpretation is more likely to come from New Labour than the Tories these days

― One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

But still - like I said at the top of the thread, why doesn't he go? What's he expecting to happen, is it really what the political hacks are saying and that he's just acting like the alpha male and won't go until he's beaten? Why would he want to go through all this shit? He's already been PM for chrissake. What is it with power that it has this hold?

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

the Tories were miles behind Labour in the polls and Thatcher was incredibly unpopular (and starting to go mad)

"starting"

― Venga (Venga), Saturday, 9 September 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, now we have Clarke saying Brown has 'psychological issues' YO YO PROJECT A BIT MORE WHY DON'T YOU? Besides, what qualifications has he to say things like this, it's a bigger slander than 'something of the night' innit?

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 9 September 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

If Brown comes in, say, tomorrow, he would have to announce soonishly, i.e. within the next 12 months, that Britain is pulling its troops out of Iraq. It is something he must do if Labour stands any chance against Cameron-bot. If he does this he announces a break from Blair's most unpopular policy and a return to a Labour party for whom the principles of international law are paramount - a return to the kind of Labour party that people feel like voting for. Everyone knows his other credentials - that he's steered Britain's charmed "Goldilocks" economy (not too hot, not too cold) for the last several years; his (supposed) commitment to trade unions, "old" Labour etc. However, if Britain pulls up stakes in Iraq, the US is left even higher and dryer than before, and its position becomes even more untenable. With midterm elections coming up in the US, and Presidential elections just two years later, the Republicans need every ounce of legitimacy they can get for their Middle East rodeo. I would be shocked if Bush et al were not calling with daily reassurances and encouragement for Blair - "just hang on a while longer, old boy" - and threats for Brown. But, as Larry Elliot points out, Brown may be just fine with waiting on the sidelines for awhile longer yet because the economy which has turned Labour's image around may finally be headed off the rails. It would be ironic if Brown's greatest achievement over the last five years is suddenly the noose that hangs him, while Blair gallivants off to St. Albion, thinking "if I'd stood again - we might have had a chance." All polls show the Tories ahead. No one I know thinks Cameron will lose, especially if Brown stands, and when the housing bubble bursts there's no surplus to pay debts off with the way there was when the stock bubble burst. I mean, why would Brown want the job at all at this point? What's in it for him, except to get stuck as the patsy?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 9 September 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure we've been pulling out in 12 months for the last two years now. is that just perception? rather than announce it, he'd need to do it, though. i can't see the situation improving in the next 12 months, so may as well pull out now.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago)

Funny. Everyone seems to think that the UK conservatives wouldn't have blindly followed the US into whatever war they decided to fight anywhere. That this is all Blair's personal misguidedness. Remember the "special relationship"? It really doesn't matter who's supposedly in charge anywhere.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

i agree. who's saying the tories wouldn't have gone into iraq? they explicitly supported the war.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

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