Disney's Fake 9-11 propaganda movie aka the Dems sorta growing a pair

http://thinkprogress.org/tellabc

Would be nice if it could get shut down.

oh, fucking ewww.

Still, the entire thing is bullshit. They're running the series over two days, with NO ad breaks. They sent out dvd screeners to every batshit rightwing radio show and fuckhead authoritarian blogger you can think of.

If this is the kinda shit they pull when they're scared that something's gunna happen electorally, then 2008's gun' be real fun.

Also, the same night, I wonder how the Giants will outhink Peyton Manning.

Because that's what America will be watching.

seriously, are people outside of Clinton's inner circle (who are worried about his legacy)that concerned about this? any links to a non-party hack (from either side) take on this would be appreciated.

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1157602788.shtml

Dude over at The Moderate Voice posting up a volley of links & newbits about it all.

Just to take the most obvious recent example, despite the 9/11 Commision Report and countless news reports to the contrary, a majority of the American public still think that Saddam Hussein was partly responsible for those attacks. All this because the first version of events to implant itself as the truth in someone's brain becomes very difficult to correct or supplant.

Now, combine this sort of docu-drama, as seen by tens of millions, with the ability of any current administration to implant any message it likes into the American consciousness, and when both sets of distortions reinforce one another, the predictable result will be millions of voters believing that, what can only be objectively described as lies, are actually the truth. This can affect the outcome of close elections, and lately in the USA there have been no other kind of elections.

This is a legitimate cause for concern I should think.

But yesterday, writer and avowed conservative Cyrus Nowrasteh admitted that the films most controversial scene was based on nothing at all. Nowrasteh told a right-wing radio station that the scene was “improvised.” From the New York Times:

Mr. Berger’s character is also seen abruptly hanging up during a conversation with a C.I.A. officer at a critical moment of a military operation. In an interview yesterday with KRLA-AM in Los Angeles, Cyrus Nowrasteh, the mini-series’ screenwriter and one of its producers, said that moment had been improvised.

“Sandy Berger did not slam down the phone,” Mr. Nowrasteh said. “That is not in the report. That was not scripted. But you know when you’re making a movie, a lot of things happen on set that are unscripted. Accidents occur, spontaneous reactions of actors performing a role take place. It’s the job of the filmmaker to say, ‘You know, maybe we can use that.’ ”

Nowrasteh’s attitude appears completely inconsistent with ABC Entertainment President Steve McPherson. In promotional materials accompanying the film, McPherson said, “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.”

oh yeah, and that extended scene in the show where Clinton skullfucks the body of vince foster while eating a supersized big mac? totally thought up on the spot by folks who were "in the moment", as they say

The hypocrisy on this by Democrats is nothing short of hilarious. The comments by that thieving, incompetent liar Sandy Berger are especially priceless.

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You crack me up, dude.

football, innit? thus the Giants/Peyton Manning comment linked to above

whatevs!

DONT TAKE IT TOM

http://www.computerclubhouse.org/flagship/people/Luigi/pics/luigi-50.jpg Eli.

http://gpclone.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/yoshi.jpg Vinateri.

http://vectorlib.free.fr/MarioBross/jpg/toad.jpg Tiki.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/30/250px-Peach_SPP.jpg Jeremey Shockey.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j294/DrKendalla/Bowser_mp7.jpg Madden.

another thing to note -- the only 9/11 commission member to have this thing ran past was tom kean, former GOP governor of NJ -- whose son, tom kean jr. is currently in the middle of a tight race for the U.S. Senate in NJ. interesting, innit? (note too: the abc affiliates in both NYC and philadelphia are owned directly by disney.)

L-R: TOMBOT, A Liar.

So anyway, dudes, what do we think about this Mon. game anyway? I am kind of thinking Peyton might freak himself out about it and really fuck up, no need to outthink him at all. Too much pressure blahbibbity blaaaah. OTOH Jeremey Shockey: still a Giant, and fuck that.

This movie seems to fit into that gray area quite comfortably. It is hard to believe that the many distortions were not orchestrated and intentional, but they still fall well within the province of plausible deniability -- and the makers have denied any intent to deceive. If you disbelieve their denial, then you are a conspiracy theorist.

and who is the "studio" in this instance?

With or without comment?

Condemn what? What is the "it" that "people we all hate" do that we are doing?

Side note: Alfred, I never thought you were a Republican.

I think that (predominately) the left's reaction to Pt9/11 is qualitatively and categorically different than the right's usual intimidation tactics and their cries of bias.

think, for example, that Clinton has a legitimate beef with the folks responsible for Pt9/11 for slanderous material contained within that is complete fiction.

I think so too, but then consider the scene in JFK in which mean ol' LBJ barks, "Just git me elected and I'll git ya yer damn war." I suppose Johnson's relatives could have sued Oliver Stone for slander too.

xpost - lbj's dead soto - according to the courts you can say whatever the fuck you want about dead folx (proposal for sequel to abc #1 rated docudrama - hillary murdered vince foster cuz he tried to prevent 9/11!)(if you say you wouldn't watch this you are as bad as stalin).

I agree with your criticism of Stone. There's also a lot of unfounded material in Nixon.

However, Johnson was a Democrat and I don't think the Democrats were running on Watergate or Vietnam when those movies came out.

i thought it was totally fucked-up what stone did in 'jfk' with clay shaw, actually, since this dude was just some poor sap who got into jim garrison's crosshairs because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, sleeping with the wrong people. legally, ollie is fine. morally, he's suspect.

i am boycotting any show i've ever watched on ABC (which group includes the oscars, the CMAs, Stephanopoulos and Grey's, but not Lost). not sure i get the marching orders comment, but dean and rahm have nothing to do with that.

I say:

http://members.tripod.com/~besmirched/GIGO25.JPG

i get more pissed off at batshit conspiracy theorists getting airtime, claiming to know the complex, scary truth when all they are is a bunch of sad, deluded types who wish their lives were like 'the x-files', so they contribute to a large, pulsating meta-fiction about 9/11 and pass it off as truth. the truth is more terrifying and complex and--perhaps--unsolvable.

Because a bunch of people made noise about it.

i get more pissed off at batshit conspiracy theorists getting airtime

I totally agree. One of the side-effects of this is that people tend not to believe genuine stories of corruption, coverup, deceit, collusion, etc.

For example, When this story first aired, many people responded immediately with "crazy conspiracy theory" before listening to perfectly sane people who were presenting perfectly verifyable facts about the creators of Pt9/11 and the innacuracies and fabrications contained within their work.

The problem is that the narrative of the real world (the majority of which is unknown to any individual)is messy, full of distortions and hard to explain simply and efficiently, and the kooks who fumble the real stories make it dificult for the rest of us to trust more reasonable narratives.

Well, it took a bit of doing.

yeah, there's also the problem that this things aren't necessarily obvious. You need to have enough of a background to understand what's going on.

"My sin was to write a screenplay accurately depicting Bill Clinton's record on terrorism."

also, it's funny when rightwingers adopt the use of McCarthyism as a weapon.

NEW YORK — I have watched more Disney princess films in the past few weeks than in the entirety of my first five decades on the planet. As a citizen of American popular culture, I enjoy their grace and charm. But as a citizen of this thing called the American republic, with its roots in revolution and its rhetoric of equality, I find them often surreal. Isn’t it odd — and perhaps even wrong, in some deeper ethical sense — that Americans are addicted to these gilded fantasies of privilege?

A fascinating exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art explores something that is hiding in plain sight if you watch Disney cartoons closely: the curious affinity for all things French, especially the trappings of French aristocracy.

The curators of “Inspiring Walt Disney: The Animation of French Decorative Arts” are upfront about one basic fact: Walt Disney made his movies for a very different audience than that for which the artisans of the French rococo produced their dazzling luxury objects.

Disney catered to popular taste, during a democratic era, and his films reached eager viewers around the globe. The clockmakers, figurine designers, vase painters and furniture makers of 18th-century Europe served a wealthy, often aristocratic clientele, and though their designs were widely influential, the things they made were bought and cherished by the elite.

With that caveat, this fascinating exhibition then proceeds to register the astonishing points of contact between these two very different creative worlds. At least three of the Disney company’s most popular and admired films — “Cinderella” (1950), “Sleeping Beauty” (1959) and “Beauty and the Beast” (1991) — borrow heavily from the design and architectural aesthetics of France and other European courts under the sway of Versailles’ cultural hegemony. Luxury, in films like “Cinderella,” is denoted by gold-gilded mirrors, encrusted with the vine and shell motifs that defined the rococo style. When Belle dances with the beast in the famous 1991 “Beauty and the Beast” ballroom scene, it is framed by architecture modeled largely on the Hall of Mirrors at Versailles. Early Disney cartoons featured animated porcelain figurines, complete with 18th-century dress, wigs and courtly manners.

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The dark side of Disney’s unexpected love affair with frothy French rococo