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Looks like today not much is happening with my crew, so I'm going to settle in, since I've got all my receipts and forms and things, and figure out what I owe. Already did a basic calculation for deductions, so I'm going to go through that again fine tooth comb-wise and make sure it's all looking right, then total it all up. Tres boring, but It Must Be Done. And what joy to think of how much money will be used to keep killing people in the name of freedom from terrorism, too!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So who waits until the last minute? Who has someone else do it for them? Do any Americans actually donate to the election campaign thing? Do any try and pay down the debt? Blah blah blah...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Accountant. Get one, if your tax situation is the least bit complicated. They _always_ save you money. Sometimes a _lot_.

Douglas, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've done my own deductions for a couple of years now and I'll second Douglas' general advice -- if you don't/can't take the time to sit down and plow through all your receipts (I always keep mine reasonably organized), get somebody to do it for you. My withholding has always been pretty good for my main job, and I would usually get a refund, but my freelance AMG work eats into that to an extent since taxes aren't withheld there. But with itemized deductions applied, it all comes out very balanced, *much* more so than if the standard deduction was taken.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wanna be my accountant, ned?

chaki, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Once per year is enough for me. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I realized I needed an accountant when my calculations had me in the red a couple of bucks, and HIS calculations threw me a few hundred in the black. I don't know how he did it, but I'm mighty glad.

That said, would the assmonkeys I freelanced for PLEASE get their W2s in my mailbox now? Y'know, so I don't have to push the deadline envelope?

David Raposa, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I gotta an uncle thata lives ina taxes.

richard john gillanders, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i also get an accoutant , one at davids firm who i swear makes more in the three or four months of tax season freel ancing then anywhere else

anthony, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fuck, I just phone it in on April 14, and mail my check in at midnight (I always owe). Time is money, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm giving the IRS as little of it as possible.

Kerry, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

HOW DO YOU GET AN ACCOUNTANT TO DO IT? H AND R BLOCK?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

would the assmonkeys I freelanced for PLEASE get their W2s in my mailbox now?

W2s? How interesting, I usually get 1099-MISC.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never understood the whole american tax thing, you're not all self employed are you? doesn't it just come out of your wages every month?

CarsmileSteve, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It does indeed for me, and for many others. It's not exact, though, more like a general withdrawal based on your earnings then fine-tuned after the tax year ends when prepping up your return. For instance, if I were only working my regular job, I'd usually be due a small refund because we're set up here so that the automatic withdrawals, if you've reported your status correctly, cover your taxes and then some. Then as mentioned there's that income where taxes aren't immediately removed, which is the case with my AMG work. Then you factor in itemized deductions on top of that, if not standard, and etc. etc. And this is just me with a relatively simple setup of being a single person -- add on dependents, family situation, if I owned a house, if I had other investments, etc. and things get even more complicated.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

blimey...

CarsmileSteve, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ANSWER MY QUESTION IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

H & R Block, sure. You could also dig up software from e-file, I guess.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
Fuck you taxes, you are a bitch.
Fuck you, TurboTax Online, who, despite my saving and quitting, always pops be back a few redundant steps when I re-log on.
\Fuck you marriage penalty which only went away for people who make way less money than me!
Also, fuck me for delaying the adjustment of our withholdings this year meaning we'll almost certainly owe again next year. This used to be FUN when I was single, I always got loads back. No more!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

gotta pay the piper if you over-withhold (which i do ... and i do pay).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 15 April 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh. Just finished writing a variety of checks to various governmental authorities, one of which was healthily into four figures. That'll teach me to do freelance book projects.

Taxes suck, but I like to think that my check is earmarked for non-killing government stuff like NASA telescopes or NEA grants or the OSHA for Kids web site.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting a total of $1,500 in refunds. Hate me now.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I will, thank you (as I owed a bit myself, but not too much thankfully).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'll hate too, thank you very much.

I'm told that the loan for the house I'm buying is structured in such a way that I can deduct the entirety of my mortgage payments. Something smells very Fat Tony about it, but if true I'm really looking forward to that.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting a nice refund myself, but don't hate me, as it's pretty much all getting funnelled right towards paying off other debt.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting a pretty nice refund, although I think I missed out on some deductions I could have made and wasn't QUITE sure about some of the things I did deduct. I won't be able to spend it on anything fun anyway.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I won't hate you Girolamo since, according to the other thread, you are supposed to be dead.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

My refund is better than your refund

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a death-and-taxes joke in there somewhere, but I'm too busy hatin' on the folks getting refunds to think of one. (xpost)

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 15 April 2004 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a small refund about a month ago, after filing my taxes about three weeks before that. I've begun to utilize the assistance of the same woman my mother goes to, at an H&R Block place. She is the absolute best and makes the whole process go as smoothly as possible, which is really great because Lord knows there are more than enough headaches one can encounter in one's financial life without even going into the whole "taxes" issue!

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 15 April 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Gah. All I have to say is, fuck a self-employment tax.

the krza (krza), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I just telefiled for the first time. Easy as pie. But then again, I'm single and only worked one job last year.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...
I spent all day today going through mounds of receipts from the last five years, to prepare some back taxes. I'm probably gonna owe big time since I didn't file from 2000 on. (I tried to for 2000 but they wanted rent receipts and I didn't have 'em; I wasn't on a lease then. I haven't had one till last February, actually. Should be interesting.) And HOLY FUCK do my hands hurt! Cab receipts are TINY. ALL receipts are tiny, in fact.

I'm trying to get it done by Tuesday so I can just go to my accountant's and be like, "here's the stuff, it's done, go to it." Then I get to watch my hard-earned checking account drain away. Sigh. It'll be worth it to have it behind me, though.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Did 2002 already; the other years are separated out. So I have to go through 2000-1 and 2003 and figure out my total income and deductibles. I'll go to it tomorrow; right now I'm beat (and at the office, where all the paperwork is, eurgh.)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

2004 will be done during normal tax time, as w/everyone else.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I finally did my Taxes for the last financial year yesterday. It was a lot easier than I'd built it up to be.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 16 January 2005 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, if it weren't for all the damn bits of paper (five frickin' years' worth, ugh) so would mine be.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 16 January 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

whoo, that sounds awful matos! Things will be a little worse this year for me than usual because I have to figure my and my husband's taxes separately, then together to see which way is better, but at least I'm fairly certain there's a refund at the end. Back taxes, yuck.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 16 January 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
okay, exactly how strict are they about monitoring moving expenses? mine may or may not be work-related, in that i left michigan with one job, then drove to oregon, and eventually got another job.

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Everyone having fun yet? (Calculated mine for feds and state today and essentially have a 'refund' in that the amount I set aside regularly each year to cover things beyond withholding will barely need to be touched, so I'll apply the balance to the Euro trip -- most handy.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 March 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

oh fuck I have to go to an accountant soon

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

A nice refund this year, for once. My accountant suggested that I use it to make all of this year's quarterly estimated payments in advance and I said "hahahaha... no."

Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ever since i learned they have people who correct your mistakes, i just fill in random numbers and send them all my forms and stuff to "double-check".

jones (actual), Sunday, 20 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
So, yeah. 1099-MISC from City Pages, roughly $2500 in "self-employment" earnings. Do I use Schedule C, Schedule C-EZ or Schedule F (for profit/loss from farming)? Probably not F, of course. But I can't figure out how to use the other two. And then I guess I need Schedule SE on top of it all?!

Nothing was taken from that relatively small amount of profit, but I assume it will absolutely drain any chance I have at a refund. (The last few years have been just under $1K.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I used turbotax online this year since I had some tricky stuff, I totally loved it. It cost like 50 bucks for the state and federal combined though.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit, i should do mine soon.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

GO FUCK YOURSELF STATE OF CALIFORNIA

I can't see how I can possibly owe you two grand. I'm sure there are people who make twice as much as me who don't owe fuck.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK A TAX DAY

kephm, Thursday, 14 April 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Have fun!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 April 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh...

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

We owe the same as Kyle. Fucking ridiculous.

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did they have your bank info? Did you specifically request direct deposit? … Not to get into the minutiae of tax software defaults and legal requirements for the practice … but, in general, clients tend to assume accountants have psychic powers and access to special databases that they absolutely do not.

sarahell, Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:11 (one year ago)

They had it direct deposited to us the year before! And they didn’t even ask our preference the year this happened. We fired them and I just do my own taxes now.

trm (tombotomod), Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:13 (one year ago)

But you just assumed that it would be the same? … Dude … no. Maybe they sucked in other ways, but confirming check vs direct deposit is your responsibility as the client.

sarahell, Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:19 (one year ago)

OK

trm (tombotomod), Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:20 (one year ago)

Like imagine if you changed banks at some point in the past year and they just had the refund direct deposited to the same account? … You would probably have ended up getting a check tbh.

sarahell, Thursday, 10 April 2025 16:22 (one year ago)

seven months pass...

is FreeTaxUSA MAGA? :(

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budo jeru, Friday, 14 November 2025 17:36 (five months ago)

IF YOU WANT ME TO PAY MY TAXXXESSSS

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 14 November 2025 17:38 (five months ago)

This is just marketing language

sarahell, Friday, 14 November 2025 17:41 (five months ago)

I mean, maybe it is, but that’s what all the software companies are saying …

sarahell, Friday, 14 November 2025 17:43 (five months ago)

My health insurance premiums are being taken out post-tax instead of pre-tax and attempts to resolve this with HR bureaucracy are failing miserably (they've also tried to terminate my healthcare every two weeks since July because something is messed up in the system... somewhere). I am resigned to paying an extra $20 or so in FICA and income tax/month at this point.

Next July my premiums drop to $36/mo so it will be a small enough number to not care (or maybe my paperwork will have been fixed in the interim)(doubtful).

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 14 November 2025 19:16 (five months ago)

two months pass...

feels good man

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 22:09 (two months ago)

Yeah prepped up all my numbers/forms Saturday and sent everything to the usual tax folks I use Sunday. Now just the regular wait.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 22:54 (two months ago)

My W-2 is in, the 1099 with $12.95 in streaming royalties from Distrokid is in, and I'm still waiting on Doordash and Paypal.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 23:05 (two months ago)

Just finished all the paperwork to get 501(c)(3) status for Burning Ambulance. Gonna do my regular-ass tax stuff next weekend, probably.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 3 February 2026 23:23 (two months ago)

I try to do it as early in the year as I can, because I need the EITC as quickly as possible.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 23:41 (two months ago)

No more business return as of calendar year 2025 (my tax guy doesn't know this yet). Presumably this will make tax prep cheaper.

WmC, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 23:54 (two months ago)

so ready for my like 100 dollar return to come in im gonna live like a fukken king

nulloplasty, Friday, 6 February 2026 18:15 (two months ago)

excited to be supporting concentration camps, secret police, and extravagant vanity building projects with my money

Gentler Death Squads Please (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 6 February 2026 18:17 (two months ago)

two months pass...

*currently hiding under the desk* I gotta pay a lot this year.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 13:22 (yesterday)

Us too. I’ve been putting off paying it just because, but I should probably take care of it today.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 13:25 (yesterday)

I owed four figures last year, overcorrected this year to a large refund. I don't even really try to understand it all, just make my best guesses and let our accountant sort it out.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 13:30 (yesterday)

My largest tax bill ever, like, legit. Didn't expect. Guess someone at the IRS has read my anti-Trump blog posts.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 14:16 (yesterday)

I've used an accountant since 2001 when I started working for myself, but as of the 2025 tax year I stopped being a business. I assumed my bill for tax prep would be smaller since it was just a personal return, but it wasn't. I expressed surprise about this and he knocked $15 off the bill and claimed he'd always been giving me a preferential deal, which was news to me. I'm thinking about DIY'ing it from now on. The tax prep bill pretty much ate up my small refund this year.

I will edit thread titles like no one has ever seen before (WmC), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 14:37 (yesterday)

this is the third year filing jointly with my wife and had always gotten a refund (also when single), and I think some capital gains she had, made us owe big bucks.

The New Blockader (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 14:38 (yesterday)

my tax prep people have really jacked up their prices and it's now almost double what they cost when i started using them a few years ago so i used an online site for expats. it probably took 4-5 hours to fill everything out and collect all the info but they only charge like $175 for it and it worked fine

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 15:09 (yesterday)

you can pay taxes off over 12-24 month periods w/ interest rates that are pretty low compared to an interest rate you'd get on what is essentially a loan. if you can pay a chunk of it upfront and then spread the rest out over a period of time at the cost of a few hundred extra bucks it's prob worth it imo (nyc freelancer life)

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 15:35 (yesterday)

idk what magic sarahell used, but we got a big return this year after being totally screwed last year

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 15:37 (yesterday)

Lol you can pay taxes off over whatever period you want… you aren’t required to sign up for an official payment plan. The main benefit of the official payment plan is that you won’t risk wage garnishments … as a freelancer, this wouldn’t be relevant.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:01 (yesterday)

Geese are even getting their songtitles to the top of ILE, it's all paid for

imago, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:03 (yesterday)

Lol you can pay taxes off over whatever period you want… you aren’t required to sign up for an official payment plan. The main benefit of the official payment plan is that you won’t risk wage garnishments … as a freelancer, this wouldn’t be relevant.

― sarahell, Tuesday, April 14, 2026 12:01 PM (thirteen minutes ago)

helpful tip and i didn't even have to pay you!

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:14 (yesterday)

sorry to link to l*ss wr*ng but here is a post from a guy who has made his entire personality about filing taxes correctly but not paying them... apparently the IRS can't do much thanks to statutes of limitation https://www.lesswrong .com/posts/AskPyNg6hHP6SrmEy/redirecting-one-s-own-taxes-as-an-effective-altruism-method

, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:18 (yesterday)

Uh, the IRS can do things … dude is just lucky.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:20 (yesterday)

I had a client during the Iraq war who mailed her payment to the social security administration as a protest action (it was self-employment tax) … didn’t work out for her, sadly.

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:22 (yesterday)

my returns are usually pretty simple... I used the new IRS free file last year which worked very well, and of course was cancelled by the Trump admin. I'm sure Turbo Tax or someone like that made a hefty contribution to make it go away

So I went down to the library and got the paper forms... If they're gonna inconvenience me, then I'm gonna inconvenience them

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:50 (yesterday)

I took an early distribution from my 401k last year, from which was withheld about a third in taxes, but they failed to warn me about the 5-figure tax penalty I have to pay also. For using my own frigging money.

the days don't get easier, the gaps just get bigger (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 16:54 (yesterday)

Got my first significant return (not even that significant really) in ages because all I had was a W-2, no self-employment income or EBay. Finishing in under 15 minutes was pretty nice.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 17:03 (yesterday)

Xp — did you look through the various exceptions to the penalty and determine none applied?

It is super demoralizing telling clients that they owe under this administration… I have a trans client who is afraid to deduct her medical expenses for gender affirming treatment…

sarahell, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 17:31 (yesterday)

I did, and every exception I checked it was like, "lol, nope!"

the days don't get easier, the gaps just get bigger (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 19:09 (yesterday)

my tax prep people have really jacked up their prices and it's now almost double what they cost when i started using them a few years ago so i used an online site for expats. it probably took 4-5 hours to fill everything out and collect all the info but they only charge like $175 for it and it worked fine

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, April 15, 2026 1:09 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tell me about this site. E pays an absolute fortune to get her US expat taxes done.

Ed, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 19:54 (yesterday)

We owe close to five grand this year. We collectively made 72 grand last year. We don't have 5 grand.

Fuck this shithole country.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:16 (yesterday)

that sucks! sorry to hear that

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:22 (yesterday)

if anyone is stressing, I just used an online free filing thing called TaxSlayer and it went pretty well... no charge and they were able to file my CA taxes as well

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:25 (yesterday)

TurboTax wanted to charge me $70 to file with student loan interest (of maybe $15?), so I used one of the free ones on the IRS site.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:33 (yesterday)

i filed for an extension and we’re going to go to a tax person. i am pretty sure that what is happening is that because we file together, it is thinking that i am receiving excess ACA subsidies…. but I pay for my plan myself?

i just can’t believe this shit. 7% of our yearly income, and for what!

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 21:38 (yesterday)

Figured it out: basically, I gave our financial info to PA ACA marketplace— if there are changes in income, then you are supposed to inform them. Of course, I didn't think to inform them when my husband became salaried and started making a fair amount more money in September, because why would I? But this altered our tax liability, and thus altered what I would have been offered in subsidies, and now we need to pay some/all of that back.

Sick sad world.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 22:47 (yesterday)

Ugh that sucks.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 April 2026 23:00 (yesterday)

table that is exactly what happened to me when I owed last year, my sympathies

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 00:08 (four hours ago)

now I have no ACA at all, so that's that

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 00:09 (four hours ago)

TurboTax wanted to charge me $70 to file with student loan interest (of maybe $15?), so I used one of the free ones on the IRS site.

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, April 14, 2026 2:33 PM (four hours ago)

probably the last year I use them. I owed 1k in federal and got 2k back in state and after all their fees ended up only getting 600-700 or so back

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 01:56 (two hours ago)

Got a decent state refund this year and a very small federal refund. (I use TurboTax.) It helps that my record label loses money every year. But I'm currently in the process of reconfiguring BA as a 501(c)(3), and I lost my day job in October, and I really don't know what effect those two things are gonna have for next year.

wipes chooser (unperson), Wednesday, 15 April 2026 02:34 (two hours ago)


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